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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 2, 2023 18:12:28 GMT -5
I'm an AEW fangirl and am a WWE casual at best so there's no tribalism here but surely it's a certainty that an actual Wrestlemania in London would draw a bigger crowd and more money than All In?
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Post by Nosnorb on Jul 2, 2023 18:17:31 GMT -5
When WWE see the Cathedral that is Kenilworth Road on TV when the new Prem season starts, they will see that the Old Girl is more than worthy of hosting Wrestlemania.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jul 2, 2023 18:20:14 GMT -5
As said Wembley is booked full of matches during the April/May period so they'd have to give assurances that thousands of chairs on the pitch won't damage it too much. All In is booked for after the Community Shield (traditional and IMO pointless season opener) and after that, the next game is a national side friendly against Australia in mid-October. If the pitch is a problem booking the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium is a no go as the season is still going on. Twickenham (National rugby stadium, been used for American football and concerts, 82k seats) might be an option. As the home of Rugby, a mostly middle and upper class sport, I doubt that the people who own Twickers are going to want to have the WWE there. It's also around 10 miles from the centre of London and doesn't have a Tube station. People forget that whole "Rugby Union is a thug's game played by gentlemen, Rugby League is a gentleman's game played by thugs" thing.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jul 2, 2023 19:19:19 GMT -5
As the home of Rugby, a mostly middle and upper class sport, I doubt that the people who own Twickers are going to want to have the WWE there. It's also around 10 miles from the centre of London and doesn't have a Tube station. People forget that whole "Rugby Union is a thug's game played by gentlemen, Rugby League is a gentleman's game played by thugs" thing. Yep. I'm from a city on the M62 and I had to explain the difference to my Brummie wife the other day.
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Post by eJm on Jul 3, 2023 1:13:50 GMT -5
I'm an AEW fangirl and am a WWE casual at best so there's no tribalism here but surely it's a certainty that an actual Wrestlemania in London would draw a bigger crowd and more money than All In? If they keep it as the two day format, sure. I think the main issue in terms of a crowd is what WWE would want to do with the stadium because they’d absolutely want a big stage there, thus limiting the seats they can sell until they figure out that and the hard cam arrangements (fun fact; new seats came out for All In a few weeks ago because they figured out both those things).
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jul 3, 2023 2:19:25 GMT -5
Don’t think they’re actually doing it, but who knows. Both Triple H and Cody downplayed it a bit in the post-presser. I think they're doing it. They wouldn't have Cena float that possibility and base the segment around London hosting a Mania if it wasn't already in the works.
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Post by avenger on Jul 3, 2023 2:23:36 GMT -5
It's more than just great attendance, it is record breaking attendance and if you know WWE, someone else breaking a record they had is definitely something that is going to stick in their craw so they will try for Wembley Stadium with Wrestlemania and they will try to get that record back. The only way I could see this having ANYTHING to do with AEW is they booked another stadium show in the UK the same month or so as ALL IN. Other than that, were looking at a potential 2 or more year wait for a WrestleMania in the UK. And who's to say it going to be in Wembley? And didn't Summerslam '92 do allegedly 80,000? Also, it's a different stadium. It was rebuilt in the 200s, and holds 10,000 more. When there's a concert at Wembley, the stage loses 15,000 seats, so Wrestlemania setup would be similar, but concerts can also accommodate 15,000 standing on the pitch. You'd lose a lot of that because of the ring, and seats instead of standing, so possibly as few as 5,000 on the pitch. Whatever they could get, they'd set it to beat the previous record, which was 78,927 (legit, claimed at the time and for years)/80,355 (inflated figure for "entertainment purposes")
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Post by avenger on Jul 3, 2023 2:31:49 GMT -5
Don’t think they’re actually doing it, but who knows. Both Triple H and Cody downplayed it a bit in the post-presser. I think they're doing it. They wouldn't have Cena float that possibility and base the segment around London hosting a Mania if it wasn't already in the works. Cities pay huge amounts to bring the Wrestlemania over, don't they? Seemed more of a pitch to get a similar fee from London, with the mention of how much Clash at the Castle brought in to Cardiff. That culture has developed over the years in the US, but it doesn't exist here. There's been similar in bids for World Cups and the like, but that comes from the FA/sports governing bodies, rather than the local authority.
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Post by eJm on Jul 3, 2023 2:43:48 GMT -5
I think they're doing it. They wouldn't have Cena float that possibility and base the segment around London hosting a Mania if it wasn't already in the works. Cities pay huge amounts to bring the Wrestlemania over, don't they? Seemed more of a pitch to get a similar fee from London, with the mention of how much Clash at the Castle brought in to Cardiff. That culture has developed over the years in the US, but it doesn't exist here. There's been similar in bids for World Cups and the like, but that comes from the FA/sports governing bodies, rather than the local authority. Yeah, it did seem like them doing this for the buzz and potential mentions from local news and basically saying "Hey, crowds want this, pay up" but I think the sticking point right now is, as you said, it's not really the culture in the UK especially in London where venues don't really need to bid for things. If Wembley doesn't get WrestleMania, it already has concerts, boxing matches and football games lined up that'd make money to around the same degree. EDIT: Like, if Wembley isn't going to go out of its way to bid for Taylor Swift to come over (especially since it'd go without saying she'd perform there), it isn't going to do it for WrestleMania.
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Jul 3, 2023 3:27:11 GMT -5
Would Khan (Sadiq the mayor of London, not Nick or Tony, a very common name in Asia, there must have been an Asian bloke with the same name who got around about a thousand years ago) pay the Mania tax that is common now, they take Mania to US cities with relatively small populations and the local government is happy to pay them to come as they bring affluent fans in from all over the world plus the PR helps tourism.
I think not because London already gets tourists no matter what and more importantly there's a mayoral election in May of next year. If London is announced as the host of Mania 41 by then any monies paid to a foreign company for an entertainment event could become an election issue.
Manchester (Etihad) would be likely then as other stadiums outside of London such as Villa Park or Old Trafford are aging badly. Not England or even Britain in the last case but there are options in Scotland and Wales too, and there's always Croke Park over the sea if they're finally going to give Sheamus the IC.
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Post by eJm on Jul 3, 2023 3:40:13 GMT -5
Would Khan (Sadiq the mayor of London, not Nick or Tony, a very common name in Asia, there must have been an Asian bloke with the same name who got around about a thousand years ago) pay the Mania tax that is common now, they take Mania to US cities with relatively small populations and the local government is happy to pay them to come as they bring affluent fans in from all over the world plus the PR helps tourism. I think not because London already gets tourists no matter what and more importantly there's a mayoral election in May of next year. If London is announced as the host of Mania 41 by then any monies paid to a foreign company for an entertainment event could become an election issue. Manchester (Etihad) would be likely then as other stadiums outside of London such as Villa Park or Old Trafford are aging badly. Not England or even Britain in the last case but there are options in Scotland and Wales too, and there's always Croke Park over the sea if they're finally going to give Sheamus the IC. Almost forgot about the Mayoral election next year and that is a good call. One of the things being talked about is the lack of money being given towards improving transport links and implementing other expansions (a lot of bus routes have gone the past few years as a result) and with what we know about how WWE bidding works, it would basically undermine a lot of statements made about it. And like I said before, Wembley itself doesn't need to do it because it'll be able to sustain on the NFL, internationals and concerts that go on already. I like the idea of it being in Manchester, there seems to have been some growth from Media City being there along with City's success as a football club but the only thing that might hinder it being in the Etihad is the fact it's owned by Abu Dhabi which could be something the Saudis might not greatly improve of? But also it ain't like WWE's going to St. James' Park for WrestleMania.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 3, 2023 5:22:50 GMT -5
I'm not going to Tottenham Hotspur Stadium even for a Wrestlemania
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Post by Cvslfc123 on Jul 3, 2023 5:37:53 GMT -5
The Tottenham Hotspur stadium would be a perfect place for Cody Rhodes to bottle it on the big stage again.
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Post by avenger on Jul 3, 2023 6:39:17 GMT -5
Would Khan (Sadiq the mayor of London, not Nick or Tony, a very common name in Asia, there must have been an Asian bloke with the same name who got around about a thousand years ago) pay the Mania tax that is common now, they take Mania to US cities with relatively small populations and the local government is happy to pay them to come as they bring affluent fans in from all over the world plus the PR helps tourism. I think not because London already gets tourists no matter what and more importantly there's a mayoral election in May of next year. If London is announced as the host of Mania 41 by then any monies paid to a foreign company for an entertainment event could become an election issue. Manchester (Etihad) would be likely then as other stadiums outside of London such as Villa Park or Old Trafford are aging badly. Not England or even Britain in the last case but there are options in Scotland and Wales too, and there's always Croke Park over the sea if they're finally going to give Sheamus the IC. Almost forgot about the Mayoral election next year and that is a good call. One of the things being talked about is the lack of money being given towards improving transport links and implementing other expansions (a lot of bus routes have gone the past few years as a result) and with what we know about how WWE bidding works, it would basically undermine a lot of statements made about it. And like I said before, Wembley itself doesn't need to do it because it'll be able to sustain on the NFL, internationals and concerts that go on already. I like the idea of it being in Manchester, there seems to have been some growth from Media City being there along with City's success as a football club but the only thing that might hinder it being in the Etihad is the fact it's owned by Abu Dhabi which could be something the Saudis might not greatly improve of? But also it ain't like WWE's going to St. James' Park for WrestleMania. Etihad only holds 55,000, it's not big enough for a Wrestlemania. Old Trafford, the Millennium Stadium and maybe Murrayfield would be the only stadiums big enough outside London.
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Post by eJm on Jul 3, 2023 6:45:03 GMT -5
Almost forgot about the Mayoral election next year and that is a good call. One of the things being talked about is the lack of money being given towards improving transport links and implementing other expansions (a lot of bus routes have gone the past few years as a result) and with what we know about how WWE bidding works, it would basically undermine a lot of statements made about it. And like I said before, Wembley itself doesn't need to do it because it'll be able to sustain on the NFL, internationals and concerts that go on already. I like the idea of it being in Manchester, there seems to have been some growth from Media City being there along with City's success as a football club but the only thing that might hinder it being in the Etihad is the fact it's owned by Abu Dhabi which could be something the Saudis might not greatly improve of? But also it ain't like WWE's going to St. James' Park for WrestleMania. Etihad only holds 55,000, it's not big enough for a Wrestlemania. Old Trafford, the Millennium Stadium and maybe Murrayfield would be the only stadiums big enough outside London. Huh, thought it held more for some reason. Shame Old Trafford is being rejuvenated in the next while because it’d be perfect around that time.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Jul 3, 2023 7:42:40 GMT -5
It seems weird to mention it if they aren't planning to do it, but the fact they could get US cities to pay them to host it on their regular timezone feels like a big hurdle. And if they wanted to take it overseas, Saudi Arabia/Qatar would pay them millions to do it there.
It feels like the advantage of the UK audience is that they could take a random PLE (say, Survivor Series) and stick it in a stadium. Given WrestleMania will sell out any stadium anywhere, I'm not sure what London has going for it.
Strange one... maybe it was just for the pop and to f*** with AEW a bit.
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Post by eJm on Jul 3, 2023 8:53:43 GMT -5
Fightful seems to think from its sources that the earliest could be 2026 but don't "find it likely on the horizon" which doesn't mean it's being ruled out and these things can change on a dime but that seems to be a good enough timeframe considering the other cities bidding right now and, well, London hasn't put in a bid from what we know so...
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Post by welshpenguin on Jul 3, 2023 9:04:26 GMT -5
It would be my luck for it to be in Old Trafford 🤨 lol
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Post by Rubix Cube Johnny on Jul 3, 2023 9:05:07 GMT -5
If they do have a London wrestlemania, I hope they don't play "God save the king" at the start. It's too much of a dirge. It's not like The Star Spangeled Banner. You can't have fighter jets going over head, giant flags, confetti and a soul singer holding the last note of the song for 25 seconds too long.
Plus nobody actually knows all the words.
Play Vindaloo by Fat Les, that will set the tone.
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Post by Rubix Cube Johnny on Jul 3, 2023 9:05:56 GMT -5
It would be my luck for it to be in Old Trafford 🤨 lol Yeah dude I could WALK to Wrestlemania. That would save me so much money.
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