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Post by JasonVoorhees1988 on Jul 5, 2023 18:04:11 GMT -5
I'm sorry. But death match wrestling is f***ING stupid outside of the rare novelty. Idc how happy dude is, how much money he makes, or what ever. He's not entertaining to me as Jon Moxley. Dean Ambrose was a legit star to me. Moxley is like every negative trope of a backyard wrestler, presented seriously. Just terrible shit. And I seriously don't see how anyone can be a fan. There's tons of stuff I don't "get" OC, HBK, and others, but I'm able to look at it objectively and see why people are entertained. Mox? No. I don't get it. f*** that dude. Bring back Ambrose. Please. You've gone on record several times that you feel like AEW just isn't for you, and this post might explain why You're in the severe minority with these takes man, sorry to say, but a lot of people love Jon Moxley and are happy seeing him do what he loves and how he loves to do it. He's a multiple time world champion of the company and is constantly presented as a final boss of said company, he's lost less than 10 matches in four years in terms of getting pinned. And they don't see it as "the worst tropes of a backyard wrestler presented seriously", especially when Moxley has very legitimately technical and brawling matches in AEW, and this match wasn't even IN AEW, in fact he'd never done this spot, in the years he'd been Jon Moxley again, like it or not it was likely a bucket list thing for him to do. I feel like it's fair if you don't like it, or don't get it... but Jon Moxley was legitimately losing his mind and confidence to keep wrestling in WWE as Dean Ambrose, he couldn't do it anymore, he went on record with this. He's not gonna bring it back just because you or some others don't get or want to see Jon Moxley, and he shouldn't if that's what makes him happy. And I'm sorry if that sucks for you dude, I really am, but a wrestler, or really an entertainer at large, isn't gonna bend to your specific whims, it just can't work that way. I mean... I'm happy he's happy. But his happiness doesn't equate to my enjoyment. And yes, I think I'm gonna just keep up with results, the video game & maybe check out All In. |
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Post by Kalmia on Jul 5, 2023 18:48:11 GMT -5
Moxley spent the first couple years of his AEW run able to consistently pop the ratings. He doesn't do that anymore. Does anyone? |
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Post by Malibu Albino on Jul 5, 2023 22:11:32 GMT -5
God bless Mox for wanting to try and elevate deathmatch wrestling. It’s how he became a name in the first place and I appreciate that he wants to give back to that community in some way. I don’t watch it much but his matches in that genre (if you want to call it that) are some of the most compelling because he knows how to tell a story amidst all the violence.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jul 5, 2023 22:47:00 GMT -5
He's taken bumps in a lot of his matches that were far worse than this.
I'd prefer a slight puncture over a head bump or some of the stiffer or more snug hits you see.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jul 5, 2023 23:18:37 GMT -5
Yes, violent brawls are sort of his signature match, but he's never, not even once, had an ultraviolent hardcore match just for the sake of having it. I failed to see why Moxley vs. Evil Uno in a throwaway TV match needed blood, even if it was Moxley who made Uno bleed. (don't worry, Moxley bled when Page ran in and hit Moxley with a barbed wire fist to heat up the build for their snoozefest Texas Death Match.) |
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Post by clifford on Jul 6, 2023 8:22:30 GMT -5
Did we really have the phrase 'pop the ratings' in a thread about Moxley's fondness for violent matches?
Dear lord leave that crap in those dogshit ratings 'discussion' threads, please. Absolute disease-ridden takes seeping into other threads, no thank you.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Jul 6, 2023 8:56:53 GMT -5
Yes, violent brawls are sort of his signature match, but he's never, not even once, had an ultraviolent hardcore match just for the sake of having it. I failed to see why Moxley vs. Evil Uno in a throwaway TV match needed blood, even if it was Moxley who made Uno bleed. (don't worry, Moxley bled when Page ran in and hit Moxley with a barbed wire fist to heat up the build for their snoozefest Texas Death Match.) I fully conceded in the post that you grabbed this quote from that Moxley probably involves blood a little too gratuitously in inconsequential matches. But, bleeding in matches is something entirely different than having deathmatches. That's why I said Moxley is more 1980s Dusty Rhodes (as a face) or King Kong Bundy (as a heel) than Zandig. YMMV on whether or not you enjoy that, and I'm definitely not going to try and have an objective discussion about subjective opinions, but I do think that's it's just an outright falsity that Mox is any kind of a backyard wrestling trope. He's a territory throwback trope. |
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Post by Some Guy on Jul 6, 2023 9:16:53 GMT -5
Yes, violent brawls are sort of his signature match, but he's never, not even once, had an ultraviolent hardcore match just for the sake of having it. I failed to see why Moxley vs. Evil Uno in a throwaway TV match needed blood, even if it was Moxley who made Uno bleed. (don't worry, Moxley bled when Page ran in and hit Moxley with a barbed wire fist to heat up the build for their snoozefest Texas Death Match.) Hangman/Mox Texas Death... snooze fest? Are you kidding me |
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Post by 4real on Jul 6, 2023 11:11:04 GMT -5
Poor Renee. Those were her skewers as well.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Jul 6, 2023 11:53:48 GMT -5
I’ve seen this happen so many times now where no blood is drawn that it’s just another spot.
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Post by asuka007 on Jul 6, 2023 12:27:14 GMT -5
Ironically, that’s probably still far safer than at lot of the bumps taken at MITB. Or taking a Tiger Driver 91, or Sting’s ladder dive, etc
Here the damage is purely cosmetic.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 6, 2023 12:56:14 GMT -5
I’ve seen this happen so many times now where no blood is drawn that it’s just another spot. I think that’s my only major issue with it. Seeing Moxley bleed has kind of lost its effect because he does it so often. |
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Post by KME on Jul 6, 2023 13:13:40 GMT -5
Yes, violent brawls are sort of his signature match, but he's never, not even once, had an ultraviolent hardcore match just for the sake of having it. I failed to see why Moxley vs. Evil Uno in a throwaway TV match needed blood, even if it was Moxley who made Uno bleed. (don't worry, Moxley bled when Page ran in and hit Moxley with a barbed wire fist to heat up the build for their snoozefest Texas Death Match.) Same reason Nakazawa and Cutler bled when they were facing BCC, they were out of their depth so got battered, and if they're going to get annihilated like that blood illustrates the point as well as anything, if it was happening in real life the person would end up covered in blood too. I don't know if it's just people are scared of blood or squeamish or something but I find it one if the least offensive things in wrestling, I find it refreshing actually after years of WWE's PG style. Don't even know where to begin with Page and Mox being a snooze fest, that's a hell of a take. |
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Jul 6, 2023 13:41:20 GMT -5
I failed to see why Moxley vs. Evil Uno in a throwaway TV match needed blood, even if it was Moxley who made Uno bleed. (don't worry, Moxley bled when Page ran in and hit Moxley with a barbed wire fist to heat up the build for their snoozefest Texas Death Match.) Same reason Nakazawa and Cutler bled when they were facing BCC, they were out of their depth so got battered, and if they're going to get annihilated like that blood illustrates the point as well as anything, if it was happening in real life the person would end up covered in blood too. I don't know if it's just people are scared of blood or squeamish or something but I find it one if the least offensive things in wrestling, I find it refreshing actually after years of WWE's PG style. Don't even know where to begin with Page and Mox being a snooze fest, that's a hell of a take. There's been a really heavy dose of people conflating the mere presence of blood and weapons in matches with garbage/deathmatch wrestling throughout this thread. |
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Post by lucas_lee on Jul 6, 2023 13:50:49 GMT -5
Have people forgotten where Mox cut his teeth in? If anything this is tame by his standards. I don't follow the DM scene as much as I see to but I have a lot of friends there and it's the most fun I've been in a crowd.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 6, 2023 13:58:48 GMT -5
Same reason Nakazawa and Cutler bled when they were facing BCC, they were out of their depth so got battered, and if they're going to get annihilated like that blood illustrates the point as well as anything, if it was happening in real life the person would end up covered in blood too. I don't know if it's just people are scared of blood or squeamish or something but I find it one if the least offensive things in wrestling, I find it refreshing actually after years of WWE's PG style. Don't even know where to begin with Page and Mox being a snooze fest, that's a hell of a take. There's been a really heavy dose of people conflating the mere presence of blood and weapons in matches with garbage/deathmatch wrestling throughout this thread. Ric Flair had a lot of great deathmatches over the years. |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 6, 2023 15:00:12 GMT -5
Mox had this to say to SI in regards to blood in wrestling:  |
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Post by zero744 on Jul 6, 2023 17:57:18 GMT -5
I don't mind a bit of hardcore wrestling. A lot of the common items used in hardcore matches are nowhere near as bad as they look but skewers sticking out of someone's head is kinda where I draw the line. I hope he doesn't bring this one to Blood and Guts. It was already in blood and guts |
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Post by Kalmia on Jul 6, 2023 18:13:04 GMT -5
I don't mind a bit of hardcore wrestling. A lot of the common items used in hardcore matches are nowhere near as bad as they look but skewers sticking out of someone's head is kinda where I draw the line. I hope he doesn't bring this one to Blood and Guts. It was already in blood and guts I don't recall them sticking out of his head like a mohawk though. |
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Post by Hypnosis on Jul 6, 2023 18:17:26 GMT -5
It was already in blood and guts I don't recall them sticking out of his head like a mohawk though. "The Skewerhawk" Jon Moxley. |
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