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Post by Main Event Mark on Jul 31, 2023 18:46:20 GMT -5
AEW wouldn't agree to give him double pyro in his entrance.
Without having watched it, the "secondary promotion" bit does seem to come off as a dig. Especially if HHH's comment was immediately after Cody's "don't edit this" part. It's not like Cody didn't want to be world champion anywhere else [/i] but WWE. He was fine being champ in ROH and wherever else he was prior.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Jul 31, 2023 18:57:10 GMT -5
Yeah, these clips makes me further lean on the idea that three things happened.
1) Cody didn't like being a wrestler and exec. Honestly, I don't think any of the EVPs like it outside of the money.
2) Tony thought his ideas sucked. The no World Title shots was a bust, Ogogo was a bust, him being a weird tweener was a bust, everything Brandi related except Jade was a bust. If Tony and him had a creative rift, I can see why. Not the first AEW wrestler who has dumb ideas Tony won't greenlight (see: quite a bit of the Collision cast).
3) Brandi and AEW were not a good fit. Mind you, I don't think she's the only nepo hiring that is ill fitting (whoever is handling the merch side, I think one of the Bucks' wife or one of the Bucks, is messing up consistently). But it sounds like she soured on the idea of being in AEW before Cody did.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jul 31, 2023 19:03:51 GMT -5
Cody:"Do not edit this" WWE: (probably): He probably didn't even say that part, but they added it in to sound juicier.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 31, 2023 22:56:50 GMT -5
Cody:"Do not edit this" WWE: (probably): WWE:
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Aug 1, 2023 4:22:44 GMT -5
Sometimes I'm "yay Cody" as he sounds sincere, and seems like a genuinely good dude.
Other times I'm like "OMG..." because he sounds like he should be on that episode of South Park with the people who loved to smell their own farts.
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Post by mystermystery on Aug 1, 2023 4:25:12 GMT -5
Brandi seems like a swell person and I think she's plenty capable of a lot on her own. But in hindsight, her executive position was very much a nepo hire and I think it's telling that the stuff she was in charge of like AEW Heels has done a lot better since she left. Don't take me as this trying to be snarky or anything as I'm just genuinely curious. Are there any metrics that show AEW Heels is actually doing well or not compared to Brandi's time in the company? It's doing better than A Shot of Brandi. Seeing as they released Leva Bates and she kind of de facto ran AEW Heels after (and before?) Brandi's departure (and seemed to be the preferred producer for Brandi projects during that period) is probably a bad sign. Its a pure guess but I think it's mainly Aubrey Edwards/Amanda Huber doing Heels now.
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Post by markymark on Aug 1, 2023 8:06:05 GMT -5
Seems to imply that TK not wanting to re sign Brandi was the "personal issue" Cody was referring to in his documentary.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 1, 2023 8:13:15 GMT -5
Yeah, these clips makes me further lean on the idea that three things happened. 1) Cody didn't like being a wrestler and exec. Honestly, I don't think any of the EVPs like it outside of the money. 2) Tony thought his ideas sucked. The no World Title shots was a bust, Ogogo was a bust, him being a weird tweener was a bust, everything Brandi related except Jade was a bust. If Tony and him had a creative rift, I can see why. Not the first AEW wrestler who has dumb ideas Tony won't greenlight (see: quite a bit of the Collision cast). 3) Brandi and AEW were not a good fit. Mind you, I don't think she's the only nepo hiring that is ill fitting (whoever is handling the merch side, I think one of the Bucks' wife or one of the Bucks, is messing up consistently). But it sounds like she soured on the idea of being in AEW before Cody did. On the first part, I agree to an extent. I think Kenny and the Bucks were more willing to take a backseat on screen than Cody was until Tony said they had to be the stars. But from what I remember as well, The Bucks and Kenny kind of stuck/stick with parts of the show they were passionate about (Bucks tag wrestling, Kenny on the video games/women wrestling) while Cody tried to do way too much while also being a top guy. You just cannot do both roles when you are the draw. You have to be willing to take a backseat in some way Agree with other two parts. I don't really think Brandi was a nepo hire, but I think as an executive she had good broad ideas but didn't really have the finer details down so the things she was invested in were good ideas in theory but not in practice. I also think somewhat like Cody she wanted to do things creatively that just weren't translating. But I also think it's worth mentioning it's long been said that AEW rewards people with screen time who are creative and push ideas. I think this has gotten better as Tony has added producers but it was an issue. As for Triple H's comments? He's said worse about AEW that has made me roll my eyes, that comment while clearly a dig didn't go overboard. But I also think they clearly are trying to tell a certain narrative about Cody that I think has a lot of truths, but also has some lies in it
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Post by Mid-Carder on Aug 1, 2023 8:14:13 GMT -5
Seems to imply that TK not wanting to re sign Brandi was the "personal issue" Cody was referring to in his documentary.
In which case there's no blame anywhere, really. Tony has no obligation to do a nepotism hire if he feels she's not worth the money, and equally I understand why Cody would leave in solidarity with his wife. Sounds like it was all a pretty civil parting, anyway.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 1, 2023 8:15:19 GMT -5
Seems to imply that TK not wanting to re sign Brandi was the "personal issue" Cody was referring to in his documentary.
Yeah have said it multiple times, but I have long had the funny feeling that even if Brandi was well liked backstage Tony and his inner circle decided that whatever pros Brandi had to the company were outweighed by the cons and Cody's stuff not working made it easier for Tony to just say bye to both
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Post by eJm on Aug 1, 2023 8:17:30 GMT -5
I think the HHH comments come from a place where NXT moving to USA was supposed to be the moment he'd become the top creative force when Vince left and Stephanie took charge of the company by knocking the new company down a peg like WWF eventually did with WCW (yes, WCW did a lot of that itself but for narrative purposes) and it went so badly wrong he was demoted for a while, most of his developmental project got warped and the only reason he did get more power was because Vince was outed as an abuser and had to leave.
So at this point, rather than anger, I just feel pity. Especially since, ironically, he's been a catalyst for the company being more successful than it has been in decades and he seems more liked by shareholders and sponsors for that reason.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Aug 1, 2023 8:24:06 GMT -5
Brandis comments felt more of a jab than HHHs imo.
Crying, I just rewatched this and counted 7 slo-mo dark room closeups of Cody in that very short clip, which just seems so unnecessarily dramatic and thus completely fitting for Cody.
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Post by Facetious on Aug 1, 2023 9:08:22 GMT -5
Seems to imply that TK not wanting to re sign Brandi was the "personal issue" Cody was referring to in his documentary.
Cody: Don't worry Brandi, Vince will get you a job Vince: Nah Cody: *signs contract regardless* Sorry babe, gotta finish the story. I can't speak for Brandi outside of her in ring stuff (dogshit all around), but it became quite apparent that she had nothing to offer as Chief Brand Officer.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Aug 1, 2023 9:25:31 GMT -5
A Shot from Brandi
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 1, 2023 9:32:56 GMT -5
TK's continued disrespect and lack of acknowledgment of the goddess Lil Bran Bran makes AEW a cheap indy by default.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Aug 1, 2023 9:44:16 GMT -5
Triple H: Tell me when I’m telling lies. *Walks in with a massive book, with the title "LIES TOLD BY TRIPLE H. Foreword by Kevin Nash."* Where do you want me to start, Trips?
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 1, 2023 10:32:26 GMT -5
Don't take me as this trying to be snarky or anything as I'm just genuinely curious. Are there any metrics that show AEW Heels is actually doing well or not compared to Brandi's time in the company? It's doing better than A Shot of Brandi. Seeing as they released Leva Bates and she kind of de facto ran AEW Heels after (and before?) Brandi's departure (and seemed to be the preferred producer for Brandi projects during that period) is probably a bad sign. It’s a pure guess but I think it's mainly Aubrey Edwards/Amanda Huber doing Heels now. I heard Dasha talk it up during Collision, so guessing she’s at least got some involvement, as well.
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Post by asuka007 on Aug 1, 2023 13:37:42 GMT -5
I remember the days of "Ugh, wish AEW wouldn't take any shots at WWE it's such bush league shit" And here we have HHH himself live on camera: To take that gamble again and say this is not what I wanted to be. I didn’t grow up dreaming of being the champion or the face of a secondary promotion. I want to be WWE Champion Lmfao, can't out petty the champion of petty. HHH always wants to f***ing go over, brother! Also Cody shouldn't have said anything since it literally amounted to nothing for for HHH to get a jolly in and call them a secondary promotion, all this does is make people speculate further, should have in fact edited it out lol. WWE will always WWE, doesn’t matter who is in charge. The ego is built into the DNA of the company by now.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 1, 2023 14:28:47 GMT -5
Brandi seems like a swell person and I think she's plenty capable of a lot on her own. But in hindsight, her executive position was very much a nepo hire and I think it's telling that the stuff she was in charge of like AEW Heels has done a lot better since she left. Don't take me as this trying to be snarky or anything as I'm just genuinely curious. Are there any metrics that show AEW Heels is actually doing well or not compared to Brandi's time in the company? Can't tell you anything on the business end of things, but mostly on how things were organized and run. I've read stuff about how disorganized and "zoned out" Brandi was about some things when Heels first started, like streams without having any actual ideas on what to do during the stream. Once she left and Leva Bates, Aubrey Edwards, and Amanda Huber became the main Heels people, things became a lot more streamlined and cohesive.
They also started up more in-person activities like meetups at shows, but to be fair to Brandi, I'd put that more on the pandemic than anything on her end.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 1, 2023 14:43:20 GMT -5
Don't take me as this trying to be snarky or anything as I'm just genuinely curious. Are there any metrics that show AEW Heels is actually doing well or not compared to Brandi's time in the company? Can't tell you anything on the business end of things, but mostly on how things were organized and run. I've read stuff about how disorganized and "zoned out" Brandi was about some things when Heels first started, like streams without having any actual ideas on what to do during the stream. Once she left and Leva Bates, Aubrey Edwards, and Amanda Huber became the main Heels people, things became a lot more streamlined and cohesive. They also started up more in-person activities like meetups at shows, but to be fair to Brandi, I'd put that more on the pandemic than anything on her end.
Also worth noting that Brandy ran community relations at first and things were AWFUL for AEW, and when she left Mark Henry, Amanda Huber, and Aubrey Edwards took over and it's been nothing but praise for the outreach they've done
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