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Post by KingPooper on Aug 6, 2023 22:33:16 GMT -5
Great. I’m a big fan of hers I’m glad she got to return to Japan for a while, but I don’t really follow those companies. So I’m glad she’s back in the states.
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Post by KingPooper on Aug 6, 2023 22:57:48 GMT -5
I really don’t understand this mindset like, say she has a couple of banger matches, is actually featured prominently, goes to eventuality win the Woman’s Title. “as a fan” you’d be missing all these great accomplishments from a wrestler your a fan or because “mean o’l WWE” or whatever. Like with Joe and Daniel Bryan, they weren’t exactly wasted in WWE or in Bryan’s case, accomplished quite a lot, main evented mania, won a couple of World Titles, had a lot of fantastic matches, memorable moments, was part of one of the most entertaining tag team with Team Hell No, he had quite the hall of fame worthy career in WWE, but..it happened in WWE, where he had his most greatest successes in his career, so it sucked. I don’t know sounds kinda petty to me Ok, but here's the thing: if you're not a fan of WWE's style, then what "bangers" am I missing? I don't know how else to express this: I think WWE's product is basically fair to poor. Subjectively, I feel their stories are pretty bland, their promo style does nothing for me, and, most importantly, I find their approach to match layouts and ring psychology to be the least interesting of nearly any major promotion, given how little emphasis is placed on what occurs within the matches. For all the years I've heard people rag on other companies for having "spotfests", I feel WWE has "spotfests" in the truest sense of the word: matches where moves happen but really don't mean anything in the grand scheme of things or even the immediate story being told, because all that'll really matter in the end is "who won, and what was the finish?" Yes, I know there are exceptions (I keep pointing to Gunter on this, dude actually gets to build his title reign around the matches telling individual stories of struggle that require different approaches), but I'm not going to sit through hours and hours of content to get to an occasional match here or there that's very much the exception to the rule. Bryan accomplished a lot in WWE; great career, lots of money, met his wife and started his family. I was happy for him. I also had no desire to watch more than a few of his matches there, because by and large they weren't on the level of what I'd grown accustomed to from him. I badly wanted to see Samoa Joe face Brock Lesnar, got that chance, watched it, and felt more disappointed than I ever have over a match I was anticipating, and it was very much due to how WWE main event matches are usually formatted. I kept tabs on CM Punk when he first went there from ROH, thought him winning the title in 2011 was fun, then watched them nuke his entire story from orbit with things like "The Summer of Punk ends with Triple H and Kevin Nash in a Ladder Match." I looked in to see how Shinsuka Nakamura would do there, and I got him repeatedly elbowing AJ Styles in the dick. My favorites could go there, win every title, get millions of dollars, and go to the WWE Hall of Fame, but if the show doesn't entertain me then I'm not going to sit through it in the hopes they'll do right by some wrestlers I like. I've applied this philosophy to just about every promotion I've ever watched: when WWF/E, WCW, TNA, or even ROH got dull or unentertaining, I stopped watching, even if I still had favorites working in them. So yeah: I'm happy for Kairi getting paid and getting exposure. But there's basically no match WWE could book her in that'd make me go "Wow, I can't wait to see that!", because I know what it'll end up being under WWE's style, and if I want to see Kairi at her best I'll go watch her work elsewhere. Sorry for the rant, but while I'll never, ever begrudge a wrestler getting paid, there are reasons why as a fan I can still be disappointed that they're going somewhere to work where, based on a massive body of evidence, I can look and say "it's just not the same" or "it's just not going to appeal to me." I completely agree with all of this but replace WWE with AEW, and I’m not even a WWE fanboy just their style of booking and presentation is McDonalds where it might not be the best but it’s quick and easy, it tells stories with characters I can actually grow to care about, and most everything makes sense in the cartoonish world that they have built. It will always be there, some times the chicken nuggets are cold or you get the shits, but most of the time it’s adequate and sometimes the Big Macs are insanely good. AEW is Panera beard where there’s too much shit on the menu and everything seems to have an extra ingredient that doesn’t need to be there like avocado and it’s hyped up overpriced bland hospital food, and at the end of meal your still freakin hungry. I mean Dalton Castle pretty much had a WWE deal in hand and turned it down because he got to a point in his life where he wanted to chase happiness and not money and fame. Of course WWE could have taken all the things I loved about the guy away, but instead AEW has the guy behind a freakin paywall and he has to fight for tv time with 150 other guys, most being bland Velocity jobbers, or lame avocado wrestlers TK shoehorns into every show. I’m glad he’s happy and doing well but as a fan I’m a bit disappointed.
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Post by mistery on Aug 6, 2023 22:58:26 GMT -5
KAIRI tweeted out that her press conference is at 6 AM Eastern, but won't be livestreamed apparently. It will be up on her YouTube page at 7 AM Eastern though. www.youtube.com/@kairi_OFFICAL
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 6, 2023 23:01:10 GMT -5
I'm gonna be honest, five pages in and I don't see many fans "Salty" she's going back to WWE
If people don't watch WWE, being sad they won't see her isn't being salty it's simply being sad they won't watch that arc of her career, I'm sure plenty of people don't watch WWE and were still very happy Iyo won the belt last night.
For me it's a matter of not screwing up her run like the last one was. Again, Nia Jax isn't there anymore, I just hope that this works out and she has a fruitful run, because HHH has made it a bad habit of signing girls back and just having them be immediate fodder for the other women he cares about.
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Post by eJm on Aug 7, 2023 5:36:20 GMT -5
“Ahh, I’m not happy about her going to somewhere I don’t watch. I am happy she’s making money, though.”
“DO YOU NOT CARE ABOUT PEOPLE MAKING MONEY? THE PROMOTION YOU WATCH IS STUPID TOO!”
This is basically what this discussion is coming off as to me.
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Post by Push R Truth on Aug 7, 2023 5:50:07 GMT -5
I'm just happy she's back and hopefully with 50% more pirate.
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Post by mistery on Aug 7, 2023 5:51:48 GMT -5
KAIRI's press conference was her announcing an indefinite leave after her shows in September to prepare for her next voyage. She can't elaborate on why, just that its for positive reasons.
Which is a huge indicator that she is WWE bound, because there is a policy in place that WWE gets to make the signing announcement first before the talent.
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Post by mistery on Aug 7, 2023 6:51:41 GMT -5
Okay, so here are some more details on what she said today:
- She plans on taking an indefinite hiatus after her four remaining dates are wrapped up (Sendai and All Japan in early September, and two more yet to be announced dates)
- She was not happy about only getting one real title defense with the IWGP Women's Championship.
- After she lost the IWGP Women's Championship, she talked with her husband about retiring, but he talked her out of it, saying she still had business to finish.
- She received multiple offers from overseas companies, and accepted one from a company that she has worked at previously who has helped her in the past.
- She wants to take time off after her last four dates to spend a bit of time with family, and also delegate some of her responsibilities to some others so she knows her gym will be fine. She mentioned that she was able to hire some employees but wants to be around whenever she can still until then, so make sure to visit her! (ed note: obviously I don't think anyone here lives in Japan but I just had to translate that part)
- She wants to have one last STARDOM match before she goes, but they are in the middle of the 5*GP so she isn't sure if it will happen.
- She plans to continue updating her blog and SNS stuff even during the hiatus.
- She was asked about international press and their potential reporting on this, and said that she can't give any specifics, just that she was going to have a career like no one else.
So if you take everything mentioned above, then it seems like KAIRI is likely going to be back in WWE by November, maybe as the mystery partner for a Survivor Series team.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 7, 2023 6:53:53 GMT -5
So if you take everything mentioned above, then it seems like KAIRI is likely going to be back in WWE by November, maybe as the mystery partner for a Survivor Series team. Possible, but it’s also very close to the Rumble as well, the match that openly encourages surprise returns.
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Post by mistery on Aug 7, 2023 7:02:28 GMT -5
So if you take everything mentioned above, then it seems like KAIRI is likely going to be back in WWE by November, maybe as the mystery partner for a Survivor Series team. Possible, but it’s also very close to the Rumble as well, the match that openly encourages surprise returns. To be honest, KAIRI returning in the Rumble just to get eliminated upon her redebut doesn't seem like the best start for her (and yes, I do think she would be eliminated as the Rumble winner is likely going to be Charlotte or Bianca next year imo, to set up a match between them at Wrestlemania). And with the RAW Women's Division a hot mess at the moment, a surprise return at Survivor Series is likely the best situation for her. Put her on the RAW brand, and have her pin someone like Rhea to secure her team the victory or something. Gives her a massive feather in her cap, and tells the audience that she is back and better than ever. That's all just hypothetical booking though.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Aug 7, 2023 8:38:45 GMT -5
This is a combat sport where one move could end your career You take the money where you can and where it makes sense for you. You can love the game but this is a livelihood, not a hobby I assume if Bushiroad came close to WWE money she would stay but you don't sell yourself short when you are good at something and when this is your career Seriously... you can love what you do... but it's still a job. I’m just saying, personally, if I was a wrestler and had my choice between wrestling somewhere I knew would pay me more but the match quality might not be the best or a smaller place that might not be able to pay me as much but my match quality would be better, I’d choose the latter. I say this as someone who sometimes barely has any money left after paying my bills, but money can’t be everything or the thing that makes people happy.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 7, 2023 8:54:34 GMT -5
“Ahh, I’m not happy about her going to somewhere I don’t watch. I am happy she’s making money, though.” “DO YOU NOT CARE ABOUT PEOPLE MAKING MONEY? THE PROMOTION YOU WATCH IS STUPID TOO!” This is basically what this discussion is coming off as to me. Gotta bring up the US-based competition, too, when my actual overall favorite promotions are mostly in Japan.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 7, 2023 9:09:21 GMT -5
Seriously... you can love what you do... but it's still a job. I’m just saying, personally, if I was a wrestler and had my choice between wrestling somewhere I knew would pay me more but the match quality might not be the best or a smaller place that might not be able to pay me as much but my match quality would be better, I’d choose the latter. I say this as someone who sometimes barely has any money left after paying my bills, but money can’t be everything or the thing that makes people happy. That’s a much harder thing for people to do when they have families they’re supporting. Plus you can’t wrestle forever, it’s not like an office job that you’re set in until you’re 62-65, it’s prudent to make as much money as possible and create your own retirement account so that you can comfortably live when your body can no longer wrestle.
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Post by MrElijah on Aug 7, 2023 9:31:12 GMT -5
I’m disappointed that it seemingly always comes down to money. Not that they should wrestle for free, but I’d like to see more wrestlers who wrestle because they enjoy it and not for how much money they make. This is a combat sport where one move could end your career You take the money where you can and where it makes sense for you. You can love the game but this is a livelihood, not a hobby I assume if Bushiroad came close to WWE money she would stay but you don't sell yourself short when you are good at something and when this is your career Do it for the love like Bret & Omega but always try to get the bag like Nash & Brock.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2023 9:38:58 GMT -5
Everyone is gonna have their preference on where they prefer to watch talent IMO most of the LU talent that is spread out are nowhere close to how awesome they were in LU but that is preference some may not see it like that and think they are better now.
But also I think especially for the ladies now they have to put the bag first because the indies are not exactly booming like they were some 7+ years ago whenyou had places like Shine and STARDOM was bringing in all of Rossys favourite white girls on excursions and they had so many places to hone their craft without having to immediately take the first giant money offer that came their way.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Aug 7, 2023 9:50:54 GMT -5
I might just be naive, but I feel like HHH has to know Kairi's on a different level than some of the other folks he's brought back. Going back to Asuka/Kairi as a team for a bit could be helpful to the division, but Asuka/Kairi/Io at Mania would be nuts.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 7, 2023 10:11:22 GMT -5
I might just be naive, but I feel like HHH has to know Kairi's on a different level than some of the other folks he's brought back. Going back to Asuka/Kairi as a team for a bit could be helpful to the division, but Asuka/Kairi/Io at Mania would be nuts. It would be, it’s just that I can’t ever see US-based WWE building up a match for US-based WrestleMania (as much as there’s always a big international section, it still is mostly US fans) with three “English as a Second Language” speakers. Until WWE can steer away from promo-heavy builds, at least.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Aug 7, 2023 10:16:58 GMT -5
I might just be naive, but I feel like HHH has to know Kairi's on a different level than some of the other folks he's brought back. Going back to Asuka/Kairi as a team for a bit could be helpful to the division, but Asuka/Kairi/Io at Mania would be nuts. It would be, it’s just that I can’t ever see US-based WWE building up a match for US-based WrestleMania (as much as there’s always a big international section, it still is mostly US fans) with three “English as a Second Language” speakers. Until WWE can steer away from promo-heavy builds, at least. Yeah, it's why I think Kairi and Asuka reunited (for now) is the way to go. That division desperately needs teams, Asuka could probably use a partner to help save some of the bumps on her bump card and it'd help Kairi get readjusted to the WWE way of doing things.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2023 11:04:35 GMT -5
I might just be naive, but I feel like HHH has to know Kairi's on a different level than some of the other folks he's brought back. Going back to Asuka/Kairi as a team for a bit could be helpful to the division, but Asuka/Kairi/Io at Mania would be nuts. It would be, it’s just that I can’t ever see US-based WWE building up a match for US-based WrestleMania (as much as there’s always a big international section, it still is mostly US fans) with three “English as a Second Language” speakers. Until WWE can steer away from promo-heavy builds, at least. The crowd is very much into when Asuka and IYO scream at eachother in anime. And all three ladies speak fine english that I think they can get by with no issues and also they can and quite frankly should use alot of vingettes to teach the audience about the history between all three ladies. I say it would be way more likely now under HHH than it would have ever been under Vince.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Aug 7, 2023 11:10:06 GMT -5
It would be, it’s just that I can’t ever see US-based WWE building up a match for US-based WrestleMania (as much as there’s always a big international section, it still is mostly US fans) with three “English as a Second Language” speakers. Until WWE can steer away from promo-heavy builds, at least. The crowd is very much into when Asuka and IYO scream at eachother in anime. And all three ladies speak fine english that I think they can get by with no issues and also they can and quite frankly should use alot of vingettes to teach the audience about the history between all three ladies. I say it would be way more likely now under HHH than it would have ever been under Vince. My guess is they're going Becky/Rhea and Charlotte/Bianca at Mania 40 as kind of a passing of the torch moment for Rhea/Bianca as the division leads, but it'd be cool if they gave Asuka/Iyo/Kairi a shot.
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