chazraps
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Post by chazraps on Aug 6, 2023 18:39:25 GMT -5
With the sole exception of Owens-Zayn (and not including The Shield as they were a trio), has there been a good former-tag-partners feud in the last 15 years? Best I can come up with is Gargano / Ciampa before it went like two years past its expiration date. Good call, that first year of betrayal and grudge matches was fun and, you're right, I wish it would have ended with one of those before it just kept going.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Aug 6, 2023 19:14:31 GMT -5
I can’t wait for the next “BLOODLINE IS NO MORE” moment.
God I hate this story and this stable. Sapping my enjoyment of the entire company.
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khali
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Post by khali on Aug 6, 2023 20:19:29 GMT -5
What kills me about this whole run is how every face that goes up against Roman looks like the biggest dweeb in the world. These losers willingly go out there and get blindsided by interference that has happened in every single match. Just once it would be nice to have a guy smart enough to bring his own people to ringside. Hire your own bodyguards to stand around the ring and prevent interference. Just do something to not look like king dweeb when Solo and whichever Uso is helping Roman this month comes out.
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thecrusherwi
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Post by thecrusherwi on Aug 6, 2023 21:01:18 GMT -5
What kills me about this whole run is how every face that goes up against Roman looks like the biggest dweeb in the world. These losers willingly go out there and get blindsided by interference that has happened in every single match. Just once it would be nice to have a guy smart enough to bring his own people to ringside. Hire your own bodyguards to stand around the ring and prevent interference. Just do something to not look like king dweeb when Solo and whichever Uso is helping Roman this month comes out. This totally. And what bothers me is that WWE didn’t always book babyfaces like that. Part of what got Hogan and Austin and others so damn over (in edition to their own personalities) is that they were booked as clever men. “I’ve seen the show too and I know what Heenan/Vince have been up to and if they pull that shit with me, I’ve got a plan.” But instead every WWE face for like 10 years gets booked like surfer Sting who’s never seen a ruse he didn’t fall for.
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chazraps
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Post by chazraps on Aug 6, 2023 21:08:32 GMT -5
What kills me about this whole run is how every face that goes up against Roman looks like the biggest dweeb in the world. These losers willingly go out there and get blindsided by interference that has happened in every single match. Just once it would be nice to have a guy smart enough to bring his own people to ringside. Hire your own bodyguards to stand around the ring and prevent interference. Just do something to not look like king dweeb when Solo and whichever Uso is helping Roman this month comes out. What kills me are the referees banning wrestling from ringside or sending them to the back only to have them come right back out to interfere at the end with no kayfabe repercussions. Really makes a ref "throwing someone out" useless.
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Post by jhbboy198917 on Aug 6, 2023 21:14:54 GMT -5
I saw someone created a custom attire for Jimmy Uso calling him "The Unacknowledged One" & I think that Nickname is perfect
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Nosnorb
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 6, 2023 22:29:01 GMT -5
Jimmy has been hating on Jey behind his back ever since it was made known that Jey was the right hand man and heir apparent to the role of Tribal Cheif. Jimmy was always supposed to be the bigger deal of the two (most likely to succeed, prom king, etc.) but became increasingly jealous when Jey began to surpass him. Jimmy's time in the Bloodline actually ended when Jey threw him out ("You out... And I'm out, too!). It was shocking when Jimmy interfered, but it makes sense when you think about the story they've told. Of course, it could be the case that Roman is lying through his teeth when he said that Jey was supposed to be the right hand man and blamed the beatings that Jimmy took at the feet of Jey. Hell, Roman probably is lying and Jimmy should have seen through his cousins BS, after all he spent months trying to get Jey to see through it. It makes no sense that Jimmy, after being put in hospital by his cousin and younger brother, buys what Roman is selling. Which brings us to another problem with the match - as well as being slow, plodding and stretched out, it didn't make anyone look better. Roman once again looks like he lucked out, Jey looks like a choke artist after Roman once again wins due to interferance and not learning anything for the past 3 years, and Jimmy looks like an idiot for helping his cousin and might look like an even bigger idiot for buying Romans Bullshit.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 6, 2023 23:06:57 GMT -5
What kills me about this whole run is how every face that goes up against Roman looks like the biggest dweeb in the world. These losers willingly go out there and get blindsided by interference that has happened in every single match. Just once it would be nice to have a guy smart enough to bring his own people to ringside. Hire your own bodyguards to stand around the ring and prevent interference. Just do something to not look like king dweeb when Solo and whichever Uso is helping Roman this month comes out. What kills me are the referees banning wrestling from ringside or sending them to the back only to have them come right back out to interfere at the end with no kayfabe repercussions. Really makes a ref "throwing someone out" useless. I get Cody is less of a bitch these days but him coming out and calling Roman the better man on the Post-Mania RAW and completely no selling Solo killing him for the finish was like his peak Bitchalla moment and it's not even close to me... like that shit was just bad. The faces losing is one thing but them just completely forgetting a narrative or being forced to makes this shit even more painful. No one helps curb the interference despite being sick of Roman, and now guys who even fall out with Roman in Jimmy still help him win and the status quo remain god even if he doesn't rejoin! It's tedious, we're reached the point where Roman's a final boss anime villain that the writers don't know how to defeat because once they defeat him the anime is essentially over, but they're too popular to end, so we're now in season 5. Roman Reigns is the Naraku of title reigns
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Aug 6, 2023 23:17:54 GMT -5
I'm at the point to where I don't know what to say. I mean, where are we going with this? And now with Roman taking some time off, now what? Eventually someone's gonna turn on someone again. They're doing this thing where the story progression is what can happen other than Roman losing the title.
I haven't soured on the angle, but it's like we're at a cookout and we're waiting on the ribs to get finish cooking and it's nighttime and the mosquitoes have shown up.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 6, 2023 23:43:59 GMT -5
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Post by Sparkybob on Aug 7, 2023 11:33:40 GMT -5
I don't think fans need to care about ratings (or even merch or fan reactions) regarding what they enjoy. There is potentially some sicko that probably wants a Jinder/Baron Corbin WM main event and that is cool. But I do think some people are underselling the investment fans in the bloodline (whether ratings, YT views, fan reactions, etc). Within the context of 2022-2023 TV, they are extremely strong and I can see why the WWE will keep milking them, even though I think Cody should have won at Mania. I thought it pushed the expiration day but fans are still invested so good on the talent and bookers.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Aug 7, 2023 12:29:48 GMT -5
The only benefit I can think of here is that this particular rivalry could help flesh out the Jimmy Uso character more given that Jey's been the beneficiary of a lot of the positives from the Bloodline stuff.
If the idea is that we're walking out of this with three major players in Solo, Jey and Jimmy to use across Smackdown and RAW once Roman goes part time, it's worth it. If it's just more melodrama without direction, then it's a mistake.
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Nosnorb
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 7, 2023 12:39:29 GMT -5
If the idea is that we're walking out of this with three major players in Solo, Jey and Jimmy to use across Smackdown and RAW once Roman goes part time, it's worth it. If it's just more melodrama without direction, then it's a mistake. Roman is already part time, we aren't going to see him untill Survivor Series, and it doesn't look like Jey is going to be a main eventer after this has finished. Sure, they can call him "Main Event", but dude has lost 3 top title matches to Roman already. It could pan out with Solo and Jimmy, but they didn't need Roman holding the main belt for 3 years to make 2 main eventers.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Aug 7, 2023 12:47:47 GMT -5
If the idea is that we're walking out of this with three major players in Solo, Jey and Jimmy to use across Smackdown and RAW once Roman goes part time, it's worth it. If it's just more melodrama without direction, then it's a mistake. Roman is already part time, we aren't going to see him untill Survivor Series, and it doesn't look like Jey is going to be a main eventer after this has finished. Sure, they can call him "Main Event", but dude has lost 3 top title matches to Roman already. It could pan out with Solo and Jimmy, but they didn't need Roman holding the main belt for 3 years to make 2 main eventers. Sure, I just mean that now that we're here, it could be a benefit. I still think Cody winning this year was the move.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 7, 2023 12:52:10 GMT -5
If the idea is that we're walking out of this with three major players in Solo, Jey and Jimmy to use across Smackdown and RAW once Roman goes part time, it's worth it. If it's just more melodrama without direction, then it's a mistake. Roman is already part time, we aren't going to see him untill Survivor Series, and it doesn't look like Jey is going to be a main eventer after this has finished. Sure, they can call him "Main Event", but dude has lost 3 top title matches to Roman already. It could pan out with Solo and Jimmy, but they didn't need Roman holding the main belt for 3 years to make 2 main eventers. This reign has essentially elevated Roman, Jey and Jimmy as singles, Solo, Sami, Cody and the company as a whole. I’d say that’s a fairly beneficial angle and it’s understandable that they’re milking it for all its worth when the metrics haven’t slowed yet.
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 7, 2023 13:40:38 GMT -5
Roman is already part time, we aren't going to see him untill Survivor Series, and it doesn't look like Jey is going to be a main eventer after this has finished. Sure, they can call him "Main Event", but dude has lost 3 top title matches to Roman already. It could pan out with Solo and Jimmy, but they didn't need Roman holding the main belt for 3 years to make 2 main eventers. This reign has essentially elevated Roman, Jey and Jimmy as singles, Solo, Sami, Cody and the company as a whole. I’d say that’s a fairly beneficial angle and it’s understandable that they’re milking it for all its worth when the metrics haven’t slowed yet. Failing to get the job done at 'mania didn't elevate Cody, dude was already a main eventer before that match, and Jey Uso has 3 failed main title shots already into a singles career that has barely begun, and if he gets the rep as a bottle job, the dude is going to be useless in the main event. Jimmy, his run looks to have just started, but considering the dude looks like a dingus for buying into Reigns Bullshit once more after he spent so much time trying to get his brother to wake up and smell the coffee, it's off to a bad start.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 7, 2023 13:53:58 GMT -5
This reign has essentially elevated Roman, Jey and Jimmy as singles, Solo, Sami, Cody and the company as a whole. I’d say that’s a fairly beneficial angle and it’s understandable that they’re milking it for all its worth when the metrics haven’t slowed yet. Failing to get the job done at 'mania didn't elevate Cody, dude was already a main eventer before that match, and Jey Uso has 3 failed main title shots already into a singles career that has barely begun, and if he gets the rep as a bottle job, the dude is going to be useless in the main event. Jimmy, his run looks to have just started, but considering the dude looks like a dingus for buying into Reigns Bullshit once more after he spent so much time trying to get his brother to wake up and smell the coffee, it's off to a bad start. I don’t think it’s really even arguable that Jey and Jimmy as singles competitors are in a better position than pre-Bloodline days, when they were just a tag team and had no singles careers. Someone doesn’t need to be world champion in order to be considered an upper-mid card to main event level player. And obviously Solo went from nothing to what he is now based on the Bloodline story. As to Cody, yes he was a main eventer pre-Rumble, but again he’s been hotter reception-wise since Mania than he was pre-Mania. Narratively, I’m sure many assumed he would’ve taken a big hit from not finishing the story (and I thought that would be possible too) but it hasn’t happened yet and may have even helped galvanize more fan support.
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Nosnorb
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 7, 2023 14:28:33 GMT -5
Failing to get the job done at 'mania didn't elevate Cody, dude was already a main eventer before that match, and Jey Uso has 3 failed main title shots already into a singles career that has barely begun, and if he gets the rep as a bottle job, the dude is going to be useless in the main event. Jimmy, his run looks to have just started, but considering the dude looks like a dingus for buying into Reigns Bullshit once more after he spent so much time trying to get his brother to wake up and smell the coffee, it's off to a bad start. I don’t think it’s really even arguable that Jey and Jimmy as singles competitors are in a better position than pre-Bloodline days, when they were just a tag team and had no singles careers. Someone doesn’t need to be world champion in order to be considered an upper-mid card to main event level player. And obviously Solo went from nothing to what he is now based on the Bloodline story. As to Cody, yes he was a main eventer pre-Rumble, but again he’s been hotter reception-wise since Mania than he was pre-Mania. Narratively, I’m sure many assumed he would’ve taken a big hit from not finishing the story (and I thought that would be possible too) but it hasn’t happened yet. People have to actually buy that a dude can get the job done, and one of the reasons (among several) that the Summerslam main event was such a wet fart is that nobody thought that Jey Uso was going to walk out of Detroit champ. If he gets the rep as a choker, then dude is going to be useless as a main event level player, because people know that as soon as the chips are down, he's going to bottle it. Jey needed to win at the weekend, but that was never going to happen as we are well into the "breaking records just for the sake of breaking them" stage of Romans Reign.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 7, 2023 15:21:56 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s really even arguable that Jey and Jimmy as singles competitors are in a better position than pre-Bloodline days, when they were just a tag team and had no singles careers. Someone doesn’t need to be world champion in order to be considered an upper-mid card to main event level player. And obviously Solo went from nothing to what he is now based on the Bloodline story. As to Cody, yes he was a main eventer pre-Rumble, but again he’s been hotter reception-wise since Mania than he was pre-Mania. Narratively, I’m sure many assumed he would’ve taken a big hit from not finishing the story (and I thought that would be possible too) but it hasn’t happened yet. People have to actually buy that a dude can get the job done, and one of the reasons (among several) that the Summerslam main event was such a wet fart is that nobody thought that Jey Uso was going to walk out of Detroit champ. If he gets the rep as a choker, then dude is going to be useless as a main event level player, because people know that as soon as the chips are down, he's going to bottle it. Jey needed to win at the weekend, but that was never going to happen as we are well into the "breaking records just for the sake of breaking them" stage of Romans Reign.
Agree to disagree. I’m not sure why Jey “needed to win” unless the premise we’re operating under is that you’re either the top of the territory or you’re being wasted. He can function well as an upper midcard to main event level face as a singles star now, and maybe even more depending on the follow up if that’s what they want him to be. We’re talking about someone that had no singles career to speak of before this angle.
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Nosnorb
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 7, 2023 15:43:07 GMT -5
People have to actually buy that a dude can get the job done, and one of the reasons (among several) that the Summerslam main event was such a wet fart is that nobody thought that Jey Uso was going to walk out of Detroit champ. If he gets the rep as a choker, then dude is going to be useless as a main event level player, because people know that as soon as the chips are down, he's going to bottle it. Jey needed to win at the weekend, but that was never going to happen as we are well into the "breaking records just for the sake of breaking them" stage of Romans Reign.
Agree to disagree. I’m not sure why Jey “needed to win” unless the premise we’re operating under is that you’re either the top of the territory or you’re being wasted. He can function well as an upper midcard to main event level face as a singles star now, and maybe even more depending on the follow up if that’s what they want him to be. We’re talking about someone that had no singles career to speak of before this angle. Jey needed the win to show that the dude can get the job done. As stated by Scott Hall, if you are a face and don't win, you are f***ed. Now the dude has three failed top level title shots, it's going to be hard to get people to buy that he can get the job done, and therefore, it's going to be harder to build up the match because when it comes to the crunch, they know that the good guy isn't going to bring home the bacon. If WWE want Jey to be a main event level face, they cannot have him get the rep as a bottle job. Him having three failed title shots does not bode well.
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