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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 5, 2023 19:39:51 GMT -5
He’s upset the girl he raped is in pain, that he didn’t directly cause….I guess. Around here on the forum we were all rooting for Snitsky from what I can remember... or that's what numerous FAN forum polls told me. Hey, it wasn't his fault.
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Post by fg on Sept 5, 2023 20:05:20 GMT -5
I think the idea was supposed to be that Undertaker did want to save Paul Bearer, but decided Paul was a liability and a weakness of his, eliminating him himself. It is still pretty stupid, but I don't think we're meant to think he always planned to just let Paul die. That, or maybe it's some flimsy "He wanted to be the one to do it", and that he'd lose face if the Dudleyz did it. In any case, it's definitely heelish behavior. I mean the Undertaker as a whole is pretty odd to cheer with all his threats of legitimately killing people... or bringing the WWE to the DARK SIDE! etc. I think we are supposed to believe that Taker when he is a face isn’t serious about killing people and bringing WWE to the dark side.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 5, 2023 20:22:24 GMT -5
I mean the Undertaker as a whole is pretty odd to cheer with all his threats of legitimately killing people... or bringing the WWE to the DARK SIDE! etc. I think we are supposed to believe that Taker when he is a face isn’t serious about killing people and bringing WWE to the dark side. he at least had the great turn uh... "promo" when JAke asked him whose side is he on? "NOT YOURS!"
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 6, 2023 3:09:03 GMT -5
Chris Jericho when facing Triple H in 2000. Jericho called Steph a Trashbag Ho about a million times in this feud, and forcibly kissed her. And the feud started because Triple H, quite understandibly, wasn't too thrilled about what Y2J had to say about his wife.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Sept 6, 2023 12:19:57 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan macking on Elizabeth, yet Randy Savage was the heel in that angle. Actually Savage wasn't completely in the right in this case. There was an episode on Superstars where he doctored up footage of Hulk Hogan saying he loved Ms. Elizabeth while cutting out the part of him saying....as a sister. I think we were suppose to see him as a jealous irrational controlling boyfriend which wasn't far from how he was IRL. Bah, Hogan had lust in his eyes!
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Sept 6, 2023 13:07:30 GMT -5
Shout out to the Rusev / Reigns feud that consisted of Roman without prompting repeatedly calling Lana a whore and beating Rusev's ass every single week for months.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Sept 6, 2023 15:39:45 GMT -5
I'm not sure how Bubba Ray Dudley having a implied sexual fetish for powerbombing women through tables ended with them being enormous babyfaces.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Sept 6, 2023 15:44:30 GMT -5
Just as the thread states. What was one of the worst, nonsenscial reasons to get behind the (presented) face in their feuds? Ken Patera vs. The Heenan Family: The former Intercontinental Champion was a credible heel in the pre-Hulkamania and early Hulkamania era. Spending two years in prison for throwing a rock into a McDonald's restaraunt for denying him service, the former Olympian came back with a vengeance....against his former manager Bobby "The Brain" Heenan. His explanation to all this was Heenan told him to do it(as if he can't make his own decisions as a full grown man) and then he sold him down the river for not visiting him while he spent time in prison. If you watched the debate, it made Patera come off as a whiny bitch. He was going to start a feud with the Heenan Family, but he ruptured his bicep before the feud really began. So here's the breakdown: He was a former heel. He goes to prison for throwing a temper tantrum over hamburgers. Blames his former manager. How are we suppose to get behind him for that? Millionaires Club vs. The New Blood:On-screen and off screen, you had a bunch of young talent who are frustrated about being held back by the older veterans. Howevers, the Millionaires Clubs are the FACES in this. It was basically the NWO vs. WCW, except with the roles reversed. Not to mention The Millionaires Club sounds like a bunch of pompous heels who think they're better than everyone. Any examples you can think of? Anyone get to the whole Kane/Lita/Edge thing?? Kane was an implied rapist and the face
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 6, 2023 16:17:59 GMT -5
Just as the thread states. What was one of the worst, nonsenscial reasons to get behind the (presented) face in their feuds? Ken Patera vs. The Heenan Family: The former Intercontinental Champion was a credible heel in the pre-Hulkamania and early Hulkamania era. Spending two years in prison for throwing a rock into a McDonald's restaraunt for denying him service, the former Olympian came back with a vengeance....against his former manager Bobby "The Brain" Heenan. His explanation to all this was Heenan told him to do it(as if he can't make his own decisions as a full grown man) and then he sold him down the river for not visiting him while he spent time in prison. If you watched the debate, it made Patera come off as a whiny bitch. He was going to start a feud with the Heenan Family, but he ruptured his bicep before the feud really began. So here's the breakdown: He was a former heel. He goes to prison for throwing a temper tantrum over hamburgers. Blames his former manager. How are we suppose to get behind him for that? Millionaires Club vs. The New Blood:On-screen and off screen, you had a bunch of young talent who are frustrated about being held back by the older veterans. Howevers, the Millionaires Clubs are the FACES in this. It was basically the NWO vs. WCW, except with the roles reversed. Not to mention The Millionaires Club sounds like a bunch of pompous heels who think they're better than everyone. Any examples you can think of? Anyone get to the whole Kane/Lita/Edge thing?? Kane was an implied rapist and the face It's been mentioned. Possibly the worst angle WWE has ever done.
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Post by sungod2020 on Sept 6, 2023 16:54:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure how Bubba Ray Dudley having a implied sexual fetish for powerbombing women through tables ended with them being enormous babyfaces. At first he was a heel doing this, but after he powerbombed Trish Stratus(who was also a heel at the time) through a table he became a face and switched his targets accordingly. Still not a good reason to get behind him. Also to add to this thread, how is Ultimate Warrior attacking random jobbers in search for Savage after Sherri slapped him suppose to make him a babyface? He also repeatedly refused to give him a title shot. Shouldn't a babyface champion be open to take on all comers?
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Sept 6, 2023 17:10:42 GMT -5
“I should be the face of the company! I deserve ice cream bars and merchandise, and I don’t dislike you, but even though you’ve decisively beaten me on more than one occasion, at least I don’t kiss the boss’s butt!” Even if Punk hadn’t done all that stupid shit in AEW, his line of reasoning in 2011 always bugged me. I don't think Punk was supposed to be a face until after his match with Triple H, it's just that his targets were Cena, Triple H, and Vince, so everyone objectively refused to boo him. Also I think the ice cream bars and centre of merch stuff and demanding the private jet was supposed to be a heel point to offset the fairly reasonable gripe of "I am just as good as you but I don't get as many opportunities because I refuse to play the corporate game"
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 6, 2023 17:24:04 GMT -5
Shout out to the Rusev / Reigns feud that consisted of Roman without prompting repeatedly calling Lana a whore and beating Rusev's ass every single week for months. Gee why isn't our big face getting cheered...
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 6, 2023 19:33:43 GMT -5
I'm not sure how Bubba Ray Dudley having a implied sexual fetish for powerbombing women through tables ended with them being enormous babyfaces. At first he was a heel doing this, but after he powerbombed Trish Stratus(who was also a heel at the time) through a table he became a face and switched his targets accordingly. Still not a good reason to get behind him. Also to add to this thread, how is Ultimate Warrior attacking random jobbers in search for Savage after Sherri slapped him suppose to make him a babyface? He also repeatedly refused to give him a title shot. Shouldn't a babyface champion be open to take on all comers? Warrior thought wrestling was real.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Sept 6, 2023 19:37:12 GMT -5
Anyone get to the whole Kane/Lita/Edge thing?? Kane was an implied rapist and the face It's been mentioned. Possibly the worst angle WWE has ever done. *cough*KatieVick*cough*
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Post by theghostofalwilson on Sept 6, 2023 20:45:25 GMT -5
Big Bossman was a prison officer before joining WWF, that much we know. He was also a despicable person when he came into the WWF. Yet when Nailz came on the scene and told everybody that Bossman treated him horribly back when he was an officer, no-one gave him the benefit of the doubt because Bossman had spent the past 2 years in the WWF being a good guy.
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Post by Starshine on Sept 6, 2023 20:53:11 GMT -5
It's been mentioned. Possibly the worst angle WWE has ever done. *cough*KatieVick*cough* What was with all the early-mid 2000's Kane angles involving sex crimes?
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Sept 6, 2023 21:24:20 GMT -5
What was with all the early-mid 2000's Kane angles involving sex crimes? Because Vince McMahon has a f***ed up relationship with sex.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 7, 2023 4:07:05 GMT -5
What was with all the early-mid 2000's Kane angles involving sex crimes? Because Vince McMahon has a f***ed up relationship with sex. Vince McMahon's favorite character was Kane, and would repeatedly shoot down pitches, according to one writer, with "Kane wouldn't do that." He came up with the Katie Vick story when he decided he wanted more complex wrestling angles that would add more dimension to the wrestling characters. Make of that what you will.
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 7, 2023 4:15:33 GMT -5
Because Vince McMahon has a f***ed up relationship with sex. Vince McMahon's favorite character was Kane, and would repeatedly shoot down pitches, according to one writer, with "Kane wouldn't do that." He came up with the Katie Vick story when he decided he wanted more complex wrestling angles that would add more dimension to the wrestling characters. Make of that what you will. The worst thing about being one of the faves of Vince was that you were one of the faves of Vince.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 7, 2023 4:34:49 GMT -5
Because Vince McMahon has a f***ed up relationship with sex. Vince McMahon's favorite character was Kane, and would repeatedly shoot down pitches, according to one writer, with "Kane wouldn't do that." He came up with the Katie Vick story when he decided he wanted more complex wrestling angles that would add more dimension to the wrestling characters. Make of that what you will. Didn't Vince also insist that Glenn's character in "See No Evil" had a huge dick for... some reason.
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