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Post by eJm on Oct 4, 2023 9:39:10 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just a more forgiving fan, but I kind of feel like they've had stars coming and going at random from NXT for months and months now? Even aside from Corbin and Ali who are now kind of regulars, Rhea, Dom, Becky have all been on more shows than they haven't and they're three of the companies top acts. And yes, this is about trying to shore up the audience to compete with AEW but they've also been doing this for months in advance of trying to get a new rights deal. I sort of just feel like there's context to some of this stuff happening, though. Like, Ziggler feuded with Bron so Bron/Ziggler had a match on Raw, just as an example. And even the people you mention, again, all had contexts and reasons and they mixed storylines with the other shows they've been on (Dom wanting to one up his Father, Becky being called out etc). I'm not even saying they can't do it the way they did it, one of their shows is getting $1.4bn over 5 years starting next year so I can't exactly say things aren't working, it's just feels like there's potential that's untapped in making something that feels like it would pay off for long term viewers. But again, that's just me. And hey, I'll admit I'm a hypocrite in some regard because I'm desperate for TK to look at this card and go "That's it, I'm booking Minoru Suzuki vs. Orange Cassidy, F*** it!" and that'll have the exact same length of build.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Oct 4, 2023 9:40:03 GMT -5
keep seeing a lot of "well what are they supposed to do, say we're big f***ING LOSERS" type theories and IMO yes, i'd honestly like that
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Post by cornettesracket on Oct 4, 2023 9:40:38 GMT -5
There’s part of me that hopes AEW blows em out or vice versa just because of the fan reactions we’d get. As a mod, I'd like to hope they both get the exact same viewer number and demo and everyone be nice and civil about it. To quote sir Humphrey Appleby from the TV show yes prime minister ejm “when did you acquire a taste for such luxuries ?” Everyone being nice and civil, where the fun in that ?
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Post by eJm on Oct 4, 2023 9:44:00 GMT -5
As a mod, I'd like to hope they both get the exact same viewer number and demo and everyone be nice and civil about it. To quote sir Humphrey Appleby from the TV show yes prime minister ejm “when did you acquire a taste for such luxuries ?” Everyone being nice and civil, where the fun in that ? Ahh, you see, the issue would be that it wouldn't be fun. It'd be tedious and annoying and I'd have to ban everyone. ...Actually, you know what? I'll retract my comment since I just realized that last bit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 9:45:44 GMT -5
It is one thing to bring down a singular star and promote and do a huge match maybe another top tier star at most.
But someone brought it up this does feel a tinge like they have little to no faith in just the current NXT roster to beat AEW in this head to head and who knows what heads may roll if they lose this considering they have top loaded it with their killers row outside of Roman....not gonna shock me if they have him as some shock surprise and just not announce it beforehand or even trot out Bork.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 4, 2023 9:49:23 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just a more forgiving fan, but I kind of feel like they've had stars coming and going at random from NXT for months and months now? Even aside from Corbin and Ali who are now kind of regulars, Rhea, Dom, Becky have all been on more shows than they haven't and they're three of the companies top acts. And yes, this is about trying to shore up the audience to compete with AEW but they've also been doing this for months in advance of trying to get a new rights deal. I sort of just feel like there's context to some of this stuff happening, though. Like, Ziggler feuded with Bron so Bron/Ziggler had a match on Raw, just as an example. And even the people you mention, again, all had contexts and reasons and they mixed storylines with the other shows they've been on (Dom wanting to one up his Father, Becky being called out etc). I'm not even saying they can't do it the way they did it, one of their shows is getting $1.4bn over 5 years starting next year so I can't exactly say things aren't working, it's just feels like there's potential that's untapped in making something that feels like it would pay off for long term viewers. But again, that's just me. And hey, I'll admit I'm a hypocrite in some regard because I'm desperate for TK to look at this card and go "That's it, I'm booking Minoru Suzuki vs. Orange Cassidy, F*** it!" and that'll have the exact same length of build. I mean in regards to talking about in context, Asuka coming is a major deal. Isn’t she still technically undefeated in NXT or very least has one L. Her competing there is a big deal Also my assumption is Cody is announcing the Dusty which fits in line of tournament season for NXT since they are going to do the Women’s Breakout tournament
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 4, 2023 9:53:17 GMT -5
I sort of just feel like there's context to some of this stuff happening, though. Like, Ziggler feuded with Bron so Bron/Ziggler had a match on Raw, just as an example. And even the people you mention, again, all had contexts and reasons and they mixed storylines with the other shows they've been on (Dom wanting to one up his Father, Becky being called out etc). I'm not even saying they can't do it the way they did it, one of their shows is getting $1.4bn over 5 years starting next year so I can't exactly say things aren't working, it's just feels like there's potential that's untapped in making something that feels like it would pay off for long term viewers. But again, that's just me. And hey, I'll admit I'm a hypocrite in some regard because I'm desperate for TK to look at this card and go "That's it, I'm booking Minoru Suzuki vs. Orange Cassidy, F*** it!" and that'll have the exact same length of build. I mean in regards to talking about in context, Asuka coming is a major deal. Isn’t she still technically undefeated in NXT or very least has one L. Her competing there is a big deal Also my assumption is Cody is announcing the Dusty which fits in line of tournament season for NXT since they are going to do the Women’s Breakout tournament Asuka isn’t completely undefeated in NXT, having lost a battle royal very early on in her run. Otherwise the only blot on the copybook there is a no contest in a triple threat. Everything else is wins.
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Post by eJm on Oct 4, 2023 9:54:13 GMT -5
I mean in regards to talking about in context, Asuka coming is a major deal. Isn’t she still technically undefeated in NXT or very least has one L. Her competing there is a big deal Sure, but couldn't you have, like, Roxanne want to prove herself and get back in the title picture by taking on others from the main roster and winning and then going "I'm challenging Asuka and taking her streak!" so then Asuka could accept on Smackdown and blend that together? Not even that deeply needed, just something with a bit more bite. The people coming in make sense. They're all proven ratings movers but you could make them embedded more into the storytelling and hide more of the fact that you're doing this against AEW's Tuesday show as they have been doing instead of having most of the discussion be "What are they supposed to do? Fail?" and, like, no, just do what you do during particular weeks when you want to try and keep some viewership over MNF.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 4, 2023 10:06:18 GMT -5
It is one thing to bring down a singular star and promote and do a huge match maybe another top tier star at most. But someone brought it up this does feel a tinge like they have little to no faith in just the current NXT roster to beat AEW in this head to head and who knows what heads may roll if they lose this considering they have top loaded it with their killers row outside of Roman....not gonna shock me if they have him as some shock surprise and just not announce it beforehand or even trot out Bork. It’s a vicious cycle that keeps feeding itself. You bring in acts that pop a number, you keep using them to keep the number up (risking overexposure and eventual tanking of the number), and the talents who get moved aside to accomodate that can’t get any traction on the shows because they don’t pop a number or even outright tank it as a result. This is why Judgment Day have a claim on all three brands now, because at some point, they started drawing numbers.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 4, 2023 10:12:51 GMT -5
I mean in regards to talking about in context, Asuka coming is a major deal. Isn’t she still technically undefeated in NXT or very least has one L. Her competing there is a big deal Sure, but couldn't you have, like, Roxanne want to prove herself and get back in the title picture by taking on others from the main roster and winning and then going "I'm challenging Asuka and taking her streak!" so then Asuka could accept on Smackdown and blend that together? Not even that deeply needed, just something with a bit more bite. The people coming in make sense. They're all proven ratings movers but you could make them embedded more into the storytelling and hide more of the fact that you're doing this against AEW's Tuesday show as they have been doing instead of having most of the discussion be "What are they supposed to do? Fail?" and, like, no, just do what you do during particular weeks when you want to try and keep some viewership over MNF. Sure but this is also just a reactionary response to hype the show a week ahead. AEW still has rampage, Collision and Dynamite to hype up next Tuesday. Title Tuesday was already announced I think I last week so they were going to respond but the Adam Copeland factor def took it over the Edge (no pun intended) At the end of the day it’s a simple ratings battle which I have no problem with since it’s competition. TK took his victory lap when they beat SD In the demo a few years ago
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Post by eJm on Oct 4, 2023 10:19:30 GMT -5
Sure but this is also just a reactionary response to hype the show a week ahead. AEW still has rampage, Collision and Dynamite to hype up next Tuesday. Title Tuesday was already announced I think I last week so they were going to respond but the Adam Copeland factor def took it over the Edge (no pun intended) At the end of the day it’s a simple ratings battle which I have no problem with since it’s competition. TK took his victory lap when they beat SD In the demo a few years ago Like, I know it’s all reactionary but it also wasn’t like the schedule for AEW and this Tuesday show wasn’t announced months ago and they had been sure Copeland was not only not signing a new deal but going to AEW for weeks, all feels sort of like ways you could have put some irons in the fire and set things up. In comparison, with their history, yeah, Saraya/Shida makes sense to be on that Dynamite and was built over a good few shows. If they suddenly say Mercedes Mone’s going to be in someone’s corner via phone call this week then I’d be saying the same thing, really. Also, as an aside, Rampage didn’t actually beat Smackdown in the demo, they tied which wouldn’t be a big deal except Roman/Brock basically drew the same in the demo with Soho/Bunny which WWE took as a loss and AEW took as a big win because…like, read that sentence again. 😆
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Oct 4, 2023 10:27:46 GMT -5
As an aside, the Cody announcement has to be the return of the Dusty Classic, right? I think anything else would be out of place on that show. Does make me wonder further if Cody and Jey win on Saturday, if only to make the announcement that much bigger.
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Post by fw91 on Oct 4, 2023 11:29:47 GMT -5
I’m rooting for Hockey.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Oct 4, 2023 11:37:24 GMT -5
It's comical how hard they went. Cena alone was probably enough.
I don't think they needed to stack it so much to compete with Edge wrestling. I don't think there's much evidence of Edge being a big/notable draw. The Title Tuesday Dynamite sold 300 tickets in the past 5 days and is at under 2000 tickets sold so Edge's first match being announced on Saturday didn't lead to a big surge. And his Dynamite debut this week hasn't sold anymore tickets than normal. Maybe he'll do better ratings wise (his debut did good Youtube numbers) but I don't think it's this big thing to fear like Punk's early days for instance which did huge numbers.
Roxanne v Asuka is interesting. Normally you wouldn't turn someone heel due to a single crowd reaction but with them filming in the same place every week if that keeps up they might have to turn her. The Florida NXT crowd can be weird like that. If you don't stop and sign autographs for them after a show, if you beat one of their cult favorites, that period when they turned their backs to Bron, the weird stuff with MSK a while back, etc. Once they decide you're on their shit list they will be hostile to you until you leave/get called up.
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Post by mrtuesday on Oct 4, 2023 11:38:58 GMT -5
So, after years of calling NXT "Hip Toss Class", he's being brought in to boost ratings against the company he helped build.
I find that funny.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Oct 4, 2023 11:50:04 GMT -5
There’s part of me that hopes AEW blows em out or vice versa just because of the fan reactions we’d get. If AEW wins, it continues AEW’s savage assault on NXT throughout its history, like some Brock Vs Komander shit. If NXT wins, it gets redemption and all it had to do was get weird AF, horny and baron corbin.
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Post by eJm on Oct 4, 2023 11:55:18 GMT -5
I don't think they needed to stack it so much to compete with Edge wrestling. I don't think there's much evidence of Edge being a big/notable draw. I will say, even though they’re different scenarios, there wasn’t much evidence late stage AEW Cody was much of a draw either, especially in comparison to his early stuff getting some interest. And then he became the guy that stopped the Bloodline’s TV, house show and merch streaks in the space of a year. Sometimes it just takes intrigue of someone being in a new place and a good build and things can change. So yeah, they probably know first hand how well a tide can turn further with the right guy shaking things up and wanted to prepare (which, again, not my issue with this).
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Oct 4, 2023 11:57:26 GMT -5
Lot of people think Cody's big announcement is the Dusty Rhodes Tag Team Classic. If true then his big announcement is in fact a tournament. You can get the wrestler away from Tony, but you can't take the Tony away from the wrestler.
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Post by Venti on Oct 4, 2023 12:00:54 GMT -5
Lot of people think Cody's big announcement is the Dusty Rhodes Tag Team Classic. If true then his big announcement is in fact a tournament. You can get the wrestler away from Tony, but you can't take the Tony away from the wrestler. Just wait till he comes out to announce that there will be a special announcement the week after
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Post by Kalmia on Oct 4, 2023 12:13:14 GMT -5
I don't think NXT needs to go this hard. AEW is going to lose enough viewers by moving nights anyway because they usually do.
It's very funny though that the reaction to going against Dynamite is to throw out John Cena and Cody Rhodes on NXT.
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