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Post by BRV on Nov 16, 2023 10:35:14 GMT -5
As I've said in the past, no one's hands are clean in this relocation. John Fisher has made zero investments in the ballclub or stadium since becoming owner of the Athletics in 2005. Oakland's local government never made any good faith efforts to retain the organization when it became crystal clear that Fisher was serious about moving them out of Oakland. The fans didn't show up for the games even when the A's were playoff contenders.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Nov 16, 2023 11:00:02 GMT -5
No stadium renderings, building plans, architect, funding plan, or any idea where they're gonna play after 2024. Of course it had to be unanimous, something that well thought out and planned couldn't be objected to. As I've said in the past, no one's hands are clean in this relocation. John Fisher has made zero investments in the ballclub or stadium since becoming owner of the Athletics in 2005. Oakland's local government never made any good faith efforts to retain the organization when it became crystal clear that Fisher was serious about moving them out of Oakland. The fans didn't show up for the games even when the A's were playoff contenders. I can't really blame the fans. Like you said, Fisher wasn't gonna put any money in the team. The stadium's a mess where sewage can just shoot out into the dugouts or onto the field. The only ones that want to go to that stadium are the stray cats that rule it.
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Post by BRV on Nov 16, 2023 11:49:54 GMT -5
I can't really blame the fans. Like you said, Fisher wasn't gonna put any money in the team. The stadium's a mess where sewage can just shoot out into the dugouts or onto the field. The only ones that want to go to that stadium are the stray cats that rule it. They do foot a share of the responsibility, though. They're not blameless in the departure of the Oakland A's. Since 2006, the Athletics have been in the top-10 of the American League for home attendance once. And that includes five separate playoff appearances in that time frame. Even when the team was winning, they weren't showing up. From 2001 through 2006, the A's made the postseason four times, and they couldn't get more than 28,000 fans per game to show up. From 2012 through 2019, the A's made the playoffs five times, yet their highest in-season average attendance was 25,045 in 2014. Nobody would look at that and say it's a sustainable model. If the fans aren't coming to the games, even when the team is successful, what's the incentive to invest in a consistent winner?
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Post by Renslayer on Nov 16, 2023 11:53:21 GMT -5
No stadium renderings, building plans, architect, funding plan, or any idea where they're gonna play after 2024. Of course it had to be unanimous, something that well thought out and planned couldn't be objected to. As I've said in the past, no one's hands are clean in this relocation. John Fisher has made zero investments in the ballclub or stadium since becoming owner of the Athletics in 2005. Oakland's local government never made any good faith efforts to retain the organization when it became crystal clear that Fisher was serious about moving them out of Oakland. The fans didn't show up for the games even when the A's were playoff contenders. I can't really blame the fans. Like you said, Fisher wasn't gonna put any money in the team. The stadium's a mess where sewage can just shoot out into the dugouts or onto the field. The only ones that want to go to that stadium are the stray cats that rule it. Cats vs Possum in a last man standing match
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Post by Cyno on Nov 16, 2023 13:25:04 GMT -5
It's hard to blame the fans when the ownership goes out of its way to make it as painful and prohibitively expensive as possible to do so. Tickets are too expensive for the working class while the stadium is such a shithole that the rich won't spend absurd amounts of money on luxury boxes or whatever premium seats exist there. Fisher wanted to get out of Oakland as soon as he got the team and did everything scummy and underhanded he could to make it look justified.
I can't exactly blame the City of Oakland either. Time and time again has shown that publicly funded stadiums and arenas are not only not a good source of income for municipalities, but actually hurt the city from an economic standpoint. The only ones who stand to profit from the venue are the billionaires who own the team that hosts them, especially when they exploit every tax loophole they can to avoid paying their fair share. And Oakland isn't exactly a rich city to begin with.
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Post by BRV on Nov 16, 2023 13:56:47 GMT -5
Regardless of who is to fault for this, one thing is clear: Oakland is no longer a major-league sports city and will never again have a big four sports franchise. They lost the Warriors to San Francisco, the Raiders to Las Vegas, and now the Athletics to Vegas. That's three franchises in five years.
Future owners looking to dangle relocation as a threat when seeking a new arena, stadium, or ballpark won't even use moving to Oakland as leverage because nobody will take the threat seriously.
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Post by sfvega on Nov 16, 2023 21:07:24 GMT -5
Shohei and Acuna, the games two most marketable stars, win unanimous MVPs for doing things that we've never seen on a baseball diamond. If only the MLB gave a shit about marketing them the way they should....
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Post by Heart of fools gold on Nov 16, 2023 21:40:33 GMT -5
I just need to mention again the continued highway robbery of Acuna's contract.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 16, 2023 21:41:46 GMT -5
It's hard to blame the fans when the ownership goes out of its way to make it as painful and prohibitively expensive as possible to do so. Tickets are too expensive for the working class while the stadium is such a shithole that the rich won't spend absurd amounts of money on luxury boxes or whatever premium seats exist there. Fisher wanted to get out of Oakland as soon as he got the team and did everything scummy and underhanded he could to make it look justified. I can't exactly blame the City of Oakland either. Time and time again has shown that publicly funded stadiums and arenas are not only not a good source of income for municipalities, but actually hurt the city from an economic standpoint. The only ones who stand to profit from the venue are the billionaires who own the team that hosts them, especially when they exploit every tax loophole they can to avoid paying their fair share. And Oakland isn't exactly a rich city to begin with. And frankly, the city made plenty of good offers to the A's, but this was all a fait accompli from the moment A's ownership changed in '05 or '06 or whatever and they started slashing everything left and right. It's an absolute disgrace that a franchise with so much history and success in that market, complete with multiple World Series titles (yes, I'm aware of their history in Philly and KC, but that's back in some very, very different eras) and some of the most entertaining, colorful, beloved, powerful teams of all time, would bolt like this, and it's a dark day for MLB that this slow motion train wreck was allowed to culminate like this. Even the damned NHL will bend over backwards, relatively speaking, to keep a franchise that's won the Stanley Cup from relocating, but MLB allowed a sentient sack of garbage to tear the Oakland A's apart so they can move some place where there'll have to be a roof overhead all the damn time. Even many people in Vegas are apparently not thrilled about this; they love the Golden Knights for being Vegas-born from jump street, and the Raiders and A's moves are decidedly not that.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 16, 2023 23:41:04 GMT -5
No stadium renderings, building plans, architect, funding plan, or any idea where they're gonna play after 2024. Of course it had to be unanimous, something that well thought out and planned couldn't be objected to. As I've said in the past, no one's hands are clean in this relocation. John Fisher has made zero investments in the ballclub or stadium since becoming owner of the Athletics in 2005. Oakland's local government never made any good faith efforts to retain the organization when it became crystal clear that Fisher was serious about moving them out of Oakland. The fans didn't show up for the games even when the A's were playoff contenders. I can't really blame the fans. Like you said, Fisher wasn't gonna put any money in the team. The stadium's a mess where sewage can just shoot out into the dugouts or onto the field. The only ones that want to go to that stadium are the stray cats that rule it. You can take Oakland teams and move them to Vegas... but you aren't gonna be able to take the Oakland out of them!
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 17, 2023 10:09:48 GMT -5
Even if a pro baseball team in Oakland wasn't long for this world, this specific move to Vegas makes absolutely no sense to me. The stadium might not get funding. Even if it does, it's not going to have a roof in one of the hottest places in the country. It's going to be small and incredibly dependent on tourists. It's also not going to be ready for several years which could force a major league team to play in small minor league stadiums (when the whole issue is the quality of their current stadium). Like, it's hard to take any of the issues in Oakland seriously when they're executing such a poorly planned relocation. If the owners unanimously approved this, what won't they approve?
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Post by ghost on Nov 17, 2023 11:42:27 GMT -5
Moving the A’s to Vegas still makes more sense than building a new stadium in St. Pete.
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Post by BRV on Nov 17, 2023 13:22:41 GMT -5
A few hours after trading reliever Aaron Bummer to the Braves (for kind of a haul, if we're being totally honest), White Sox general manager Chris Getz was quoted as saying, "I've made it very clear that the White Sox are willing to listen in on any of our players."
That means it's about to be open season on some great young talent including Dylan Cease, Luis Robert Jr., and Eloy Jimenez, none of whom are older than 27 and are likely to fetch quite a haul for the White Sox, which could hasten the South Siders' rebuild.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 17, 2023 13:50:17 GMT -5
Even if a pro baseball team in Oakland wasn't long for this world, this specific move to Vegas makes absolutely no sense to me. The stadium might not get funding. Even if it does, it's not going to have a roof in one of the hottest places in the country. It's going to be small and incredibly dependent on tourists. It's also not going to be ready for several years which could force a major league team to play in small minor league stadiums (when the whole issue is the quality of their current stadium). Like, it's hard to take any of the issues in Oakland seriously when they're executing such a poorly planned relocation. If the owners unanimously approved this, what won't they approve? A salary floor.
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Post by MrElijah on Nov 17, 2023 15:53:02 GMT -5
It's hard to blame the fans when the ownership goes out of its way to make it as painful and prohibitively expensive as possible to do so. Tickets are too expensive for the working class while the stadium is such a shithole that the rich won't spend absurd amounts of money on luxury boxes or whatever premium seats exist there. Fisher wanted to get out of Oakland as soon as he got the team and did everything scummy and underhanded he could to make it look justified. I can't exactly blame the City of Oakland either. Time and time again has shown that publicly funded stadiums and arenas are not only not a good source of income for municipalities, but actually hurt the city from an economic standpoint. The only ones who stand to profit from the venue are the billionaires who own the team that hosts them, especially when they exploit every tax loophole they can to avoid paying their fair share. And Oakland isn't exactly a rich city to begin with. And frankly, the city made plenty of good offers to the A's, but this was all a fait accompli from the moment A's ownership changed in '05 or '06 or whatever and they started slashing everything left and right. It's an absolute disgrace that a franchise with so much history and success in that market, complete with multiple World Series titles (yes, I'm aware of their history in Philly and KC, but that's back in some very, very different eras) and some of the most entertaining, colorful, beloved, powerful teams of all time, would bolt like this, and it's a dark day for MLB that this slow motion train wreck was allowed to culminate like this. Even the damned NHL will bend over backwards, relatively speaking, to keep a franchise that's won the Stanley Cup from relocating, but MLB allowed a sentient sack of garbage to tear the Oakland A's apart so they can move some place where there'll have to be a roof overhead all the damn time. Even many people in Vegas are apparently not thrilled about this; they love the Golden Knights for being Vegas-born from jump street, and the Raiders and A's moves are decidedly not that. I wonder, would the NHL put a team in Oakland? And to piggyback, yeah this sucks considering the history of the A's who had some all time greats and all time great personalities like Reggie Jackson, Rollie Fingers, Rickey Henderson, Tony LaRussa, Catfish Hunter, the Bash Brothers & Dennis Eckersley to name a few.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 17, 2023 17:22:36 GMT -5
And frankly, the city made plenty of good offers to the A's, but this was all a fait accompli from the moment A's ownership changed in '05 or '06 or whatever and they started slashing everything left and right. It's an absolute disgrace that a franchise with so much history and success in that market, complete with multiple World Series titles (yes, I'm aware of their history in Philly and KC, but that's back in some very, very different eras) and some of the most entertaining, colorful, beloved, powerful teams of all time, would bolt like this, and it's a dark day for MLB that this slow motion train wreck was allowed to culminate like this. Even the damned NHL will bend over backwards, relatively speaking, to keep a franchise that's won the Stanley Cup from relocating, but MLB allowed a sentient sack of garbage to tear the Oakland A's apart so they can move some place where there'll have to be a roof overhead all the damn time. Even many people in Vegas are apparently not thrilled about this; they love the Golden Knights for being Vegas-born from jump street, and the Raiders and A's moves are decidedly not that. I wonder, would the NHL put a team in Oakland? And to piggyback, yeah this sucks considering the history of the A's who had some all time greats and all time great personalities like Reggie Jackson, Rollie Fingers, Rickey Henderson, Tony LaRussa, Catfish Hunter, the Bash Brothers & Dennis Eckersley to name a few. Doubtful: while San Jose is at the bottom of the Bay Area, the Sharks are still considered the team for that market in hockey. The 1960s club the Golden Seals played in Oakland for awhile, but that was back in the day.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 17, 2023 17:43:07 GMT -5
Even if a pro baseball team in Oakland wasn't long for this world, this specific move to Vegas makes absolutely no sense to me. The stadium might not get funding. Even if it does, it's not going to have a roof in one of the hottest places in the country. It's going to be small and incredibly dependent on tourists. It's also not going to be ready for several years which could force a major league team to play in small minor league stadiums (when the whole issue is the quality of their current stadium). Like, it's hard to take any of the issues in Oakland seriously when they're executing such a poorly planned relocation. If the owners unanimously approved this, what won't they approve? A salary floor. Been preaching this for years. No reason shouldn't be a $75M salary floor. Teams can cry broke all they want but no one trying hear that shit. After Miami got fleeced with their stadium no one trying hear that shit in regards to funding for a stadium
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Post by Renslayer on Nov 17, 2023 18:57:38 GMT -5
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 17, 2023 21:37:50 GMT -5
Brewers non tender Brandon Woodruff
Someone is going to stash him on a 2 year deal
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Post by fw91 on Nov 17, 2023 22:00:22 GMT -5
Brewers non tender Brandon Woodruff Someone is going to stash him on a 2 year deal Come on Stearns.
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