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Post by The Rick Jericho on Nov 6, 2023 19:53:21 GMT -5
So when people look back at the Attitude Era, people say that a lot of the talent back then, would be over today. Because of the way they were booked.
If we look at the opposite spectrum of this. Which attitude era stars that were over huge at one point that wouldn't even move the needle today?
Val Venis - Total cringe as a porn star gimmick. Would be booed out of the building because he's a dick.
Mean Street Posse - The definition of crickets if a similar characters were booked like this today.
Al Snow - A guy walking around with a head, hearing voices in his head, I think this character gets pulled quickly off-air.
D'Lo Brown - Popular for his time, but his style is similar to a lot of other talent who do high spots better. Because of workrate, don't think he gets over.
Hardcore Holly - Everything about this guy would not last this era. He won't be cheered because all the backstage shit would be out in the open and he doesn't survive.
Marc Mero - Marvelous. Without getting any big win and being dominated by his women. He's the modern day Karrion Kross, where the women connects, he doesn't.
Mark Henry - Sexual Chocolate version. Horny dude chasing tail everywhere he goes? He would get the loser title, because he fails each and every time.
Headbangers - 2016 kind of proved it. One very small return pop and then crickets. In 2023, it would be even quieter and that's saying something.
Steve Blackman - He still probably doesn't connect in 2023 and it's a shame.
Naked Mideon - It wears out and the effect of this character shrinks within week 2.
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Post by CMWaters on Nov 6, 2023 22:31:49 GMT -5
. Mean Street Posse - The definition of crickets if a similar characters were booked like this today. . Them vs. Chase U might work for them. |
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Nov 7, 2023 4:28:34 GMT -5
It depends.
If you literally pick them up and put them in, maybe not, but if you had a new talent coming up that was at an identical level workrate wise, it would depend on the booking.
I think D'Lo would absolutely get over, it wasn't just his in ring work, hit was the swagger, the VERY LOUD talking in ring. Him and Mark Henry had good comedic chemistry, D'Lo played a good straight man, put him as the flustered partner of an OTT gimmick, his personality would still get him over. The chest protector, the head swagger, he had lots going for him. Athletic dude, his ring work was just above average for WWF at the time, if he came up now the training would be different and just above average would be better.
Mean Street Posse, cocky rich boys who don't belong and are only there because of their connections and money, they'd get possibly more heat these days since they weren't over in the Attitude Era.
The Headbangers came back as "hey! it's the Headbangers!" which, considering they came up when the industry and in particular tag team wrestling was in the toilet, no surprise no one remembered them. But a young team with a metal gimmick could totally work. Energetic music, a distinctive, weird look. As long as it was a decent talent, you'd get the alternative kids who back then liked those guys, Raven, Saturn in his skirt, the Hardys, The Brood up to today with Darby. There's always a space for that kind of gimmick.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Nov 7, 2023 5:03:40 GMT -5
I reckon the biggest difference between popular in the Attitude era and how popular they'd be now and it's probably not even close and that's Sable
she never really had any charisma and presence and couldn't wrestle either and the company obviously pushed her for entirely superficial reasons
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Nov 7, 2023 5:21:34 GMT -5
I reckon the biggest difference between popular in the Attitude era and how popular they'd be now and it's probably not even close and that's Sable she never really had any charisma and presence and couldn't wrestle either and the company obviously pushed her for entirely superficial reasons She'd basically be Eva Marie. |
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Nov 7, 2023 5:55:40 GMT -5
Going to put the Oddities. This group was for some reason very over. These days I doubt that would worked. Two of the three was bad workers. Can you say any of them can talk and cut promos? Than you factor ICP isn't what they where back than.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Nov 7, 2023 6:09:48 GMT -5
I was enjoying this little thought experiment until I got the image of Stone Cold Steve Austin wearing a MAGA hat, and now I'm very sad.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Nov 7, 2023 6:27:55 GMT -5
Marc Mero wasn't really THAT over in the Attitude era.
Johnny B Badd was over in WCW
I actually liked his Wild Man Marc Mero run but the general consensus at the time was that he was a bust
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Nov 7, 2023 6:31:58 GMT -5
I reckon the biggest difference between popular in the Attitude era and how popular they'd be now and it's probably not even close and that's Sable she never really had any charisma and presence and couldn't wrestle either and the company obviously pushed her for entirely superficial reasons And at the risk of being superficial, she wasn't even THAT attractive. There's plenty of Ladies on the AEW and WWE roster who I think look better, have more natural sex appeal and like you mentioned actually have Charisma and know how to Wrestle |
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Post by willywonka666 on Nov 7, 2023 7:44:00 GMT -5
So when people look back at the Attitude Era, people say that a lot of the talent back then, would be over today. Because of the way they were booked. If we look at the opposite spectrum of this. Which attitude era stars that were over huge at one point that wouldn't even move the needle today? Val Venis - Total cringe as a porn star gimmick. Would be booed out of the building because he's a dick. Mean Street Posse - The definition of crickets if a similar characters were booked like this today. Al Snow - A guy walking around with a head, hearing voices in his head, I think this character gets pulled quickly off-air. D'Lo Brown - Popular for his time, but his style is similar to a lot of other talent who do high spots better. Because of workrate, don't think he gets over. Hardcore Holly - Everything about this guy would not last this era. He won't be cheered because all the backstage shit would be out in the open and he doesn't survive. Marc Mero - Marvelous. Without getting any big win and being dominated by his women. He's the modern day Karrion Kross, where the women connects, he doesn't. Mark Henry - Sexual Chocolate version. Horny dude chasing tail everywhere he goes? He would get the loser title, because he fails each and every time. Headbangers - 2016 kind of proved it. One very small return pop and then crickets. In 2023, it would be even quieter and that's saying something. Steve Blackman - He still probably doesn't connect in 2023 and it's a shame. Naked Mideon - It wears out and the effect of this character shrinks within week 2. A lot of these picks are people I didn't really care for during the Attitude Era. I think Al, would probably fare the best out of the bunch, personally, but I could see where his stuff would be questionable |
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Nov 7, 2023 8:01:42 GMT -5
Mean Street Posse would absolutely get over today. Hell, MJF's gimmick was originally basically the same except he could actually wrestle and credibly win. Hating rich nepo-babies who get too big for their britches is always going to be a thing.
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Post by Zombie Mod is not a ghoul. on Nov 7, 2023 8:17:45 GMT -5
Steve Blackman - He still probably doesn't connect in 2023 and it's a shame. I could see him doing well, he had the overcoming a major illness to get back into the ring that wasn't referenced that would be a good way to get him a connection and just have him be the bad ass weapons guy defending the 24/7 championship (preventing that title from being the 24/7 roll up championship) avoid the non-sensical heel turns he had, keep him as the straight man to the comedy goofball partner. they managed to make Ronda into a passable star, I dont see how they would fail to do the same with Blackman. |
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Nov 7, 2023 8:47:50 GMT -5
I think D'Lo would get over easier today specifically because of his workrate. Could definitely see him as a solid hand in the mid-card.
Also think you're selling Marc Mero a little short. A dude the size of the Ultimate Warrior doing a SSP as his finisher would still get a pop from the crowd, and today I don't think he'd have to worry so much about an uncomfortable storyline with his wife/manager.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 7, 2023 8:55:04 GMT -5
I reckon the biggest difference between popular in the Attitude era and how popular they'd be now and it's probably not even close and that's Sable she never really had any charisma and presence and couldn't wrestle either and the company obviously pushed her for entirely superficial reasons Attitude era, I agree. She was a little bit more interesting when she returned, even if she still wasn't fantastic or anything. I think it helped that they just played her a little more understated and didn't treat her like the second coming of Christ. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 7, 2023 10:08:16 GMT -5
Val would have been canned in months were he around in an era with social Media, he's an ass who thinks he's smart but is not smart enough to keep his idiotic notions to himself for the benefit of his career.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Nov 7, 2023 10:13:10 GMT -5
. Mean Street Posse - The definition of crickets if a similar characters were booked like this today. . Them vs. Chase U might work for them. Chase U could dismissively call them townies. |
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Nov 7, 2023 10:18:44 GMT -5
Mean Street Posse would absolutely get over today. Hell, MJF's gimmick was originally basically the same except he could actually wrestle and credibly win. Hating rich nepo-babies who get too big for their britches is always going to be a thing. Zod yes, the Posse would get over easily. And at some point due to the fact they always got their asses beat, fans would start to cheer them as joke characters. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Nov 7, 2023 10:20:53 GMT -5
Steve Blackman - He still probably doesn't connect in 2023 and it's a shame. I could see him doing well, he had the overcoming a major illness to get back into the ring that wasn't referenced that would be a good way to get him a connection and just have him be the bad ass weapons guy defending the 24/7 championship (preventing that title from being the 24/7 roll up championship) avoid the non-sensical heel turns he had, keep him as the straight man to the comedy goofball partner. they managed to make Ronda into a passable star, I dont see how they would fail to do the same with Blackman. It's been ages since I've watched a Steve Blackman match so I don't know how well they would actually match up, but my mind immediately throws him into battles with Ishii, Suzuki, or Shibata. |
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Nov 7, 2023 10:42:48 GMT -5
Marc Mero wasn't really THAT over in the Attitude era. Johnny B Badd was over in WCW I actually liked his Wild Man Marc Mero run but the general consensus at the time was that he was a bust Wildman Marc Mero seemed pretty over in 1996 (Which I do not consider Attitude Era) but once he got injured and came back as Marvelous Marc....yeah, not at all. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 7, 2023 10:43:50 GMT -5
Val would have been canned in months were he around in an era with social Media, he's an ass who thinks he's smart but is not smart enough to keep his idiotic notions to himself for the benefit of his career. Maybe, maybe not. There are still people who don't have progressive morals that haven't been blackballed yet (Jake Hager chief among them). |
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