Allie Kitsune
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 7, 2024 9:52:48 GMT -5
Mine is Korn. They embody every dumb lyrical nu-metal stereotype to this day, but they have some damn catchy songs. I always give Korn the free pass on that because they were the first to really do that, and it was everyone else copying them insincerely that turned the genre into a pile of wangst and 7-strings If you put out an album called "Follow the Leader", don't be too surprised when people do.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 7, 2024 10:47:58 GMT -5
I dunno if the crowd is booing Jericho because of the Hausman fiasco as much as I think they're just not entertained by Jericho right now.
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Post by rajaah on Jan 7, 2024 11:07:03 GMT -5
Aren't these people allowed to privately think whatever they want? They can talk to whoever they want, be friends with whoever they want (even people with, gasp, beliefs you may find slightly objectionable) and so forth. The problem is when someone comes out and publicly slams a group of people or whatnot and it adds legitimacy to people hating on that group. If someone is largely keeping their thoughts to themselves on social media, shouldn't we like, not dig around mining in their past to try and suss out if the person is "acceptable" or not? At that point you're bordering on sounding pretty intolerant yourself are you not? Maybe it's just me, but I'll happily be intolerant of people who are racist, homophobic, transphobic, etc. don't be surprised if if people are intolerant of your intolerance. Who decides that a person is all of those things though? Because a number of the people I see get named on these "bad guy lists" people do probably aren't actually what they're being purported as. Like I've seen Joe Rogan described as an "intolerant bigot" and from everything I've seen from him, he pretty much just likes everyone and wants people to get along and stop yelling at each other. So if someone watches him, should we judge them for their "intolerance" because someone told us the guy is a bigot? My whole question was at what point are we being intolerant ourselves with these judgmental views of what other people think or who they're allowed to be friends with without being judged for it, and so on. Jericho gets judged just for having a diverse range of opinions on his podcast, because he's supposed to only interact with a limited range of thought I guess. This is the wrong place to have this discussion though. Much easier to just post a point-gaining take. Here's mine: "I'll gladly push back against bigotry wherever it is!" There we go.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 7, 2024 11:10:14 GMT -5
Maybe it's just me, but I'll happily be intolerant of people who are racist, homophobic, transphobic, etc. don't be surprised if if people are intolerant of your intolerance. Who decides that a person is all of those things though? Because a number of the people I see get named on these "bad guy lists" people do probably aren't actually what they're being purported as. Like I've seen Joe Rogan described as an "intolerant bigot" and from everything I've seen from him, he pretty much just likes everyone and wants people to get along and stop yelling at each other. So if someone watches him, should we judge them for their "intolerance" because someone told us the guy is a bigot? My whole question was at what point are we being intolerant ourselves with these judgmental views of what other people think or who they're allowed to be friends with without being judged for it, and so on. Jericho gets judged just for having a diverse range of opinions on his podcast, because he's supposed to only interact with a limited range of thought I guess. This is the wrong place to have this discussion though. Much easier to just post a point-gaining take. Here's mine: "I'll gladly push back against bigotry wherever it is!" There we go. The fact you want to boil down what people say on issues to "point gaining takes" is telling enough frankly.
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Post by rajaah on Jan 7, 2024 11:11:14 GMT -5
Aren't these people allowed to privately think whatever they want? They can talk to whoever they want, be friends with whoever they want (even people with, gasp, beliefs you may find slightly objectionable) and so forth. The problem is when someone comes out and publicly slams a group of people or whatnot and it adds legitimacy to people hating on that group. If someone is largely keeping their thoughts to themselves on social media, shouldn't we like, not dig around mining in their past to try and suss out if the person is "acceptable" or not? At that point you're bordering on sounding pretty intolerant yourself are you not? Oh hell yeah the intolerance of intolerance argument. Anyways, sure you can be friends with people who have beliefs you don't agree with. Or hell, like the subject of this very thread, you can be married to said person who only ever thinks of these things in the most disturbing way possible. But that just means you don't really stand for them yourself in any meaningful way. You know how Jericho's wife thinks? So we're mind-readers now? Did she engage in any violence, or was she one of the 98%? of the people at that rally who pretty much didn't do anything except wave signs around on the lawn? The answer is the latter. Her crime is liking the wrong political candidate, that's it. Her presence at an event doesn't mean she was running around even doing anything of note much less trying to "take over" or whatnot.
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Post by rajaah on Jan 7, 2024 11:15:04 GMT -5
This thread took the best possible turn. Sorry, I probably kind of dragged it back down just now, since I'm behind on it. More Stryper talk is good.
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Post by rajaah on Jan 7, 2024 11:21:23 GMT -5
Who decides that a person is all of those things though? Because a number of the people I see get named on these "bad guy lists" people do probably aren't actually what they're being purported as. Like I've seen Joe Rogan described as an "intolerant bigot" and from everything I've seen from him, he pretty much just likes everyone and wants people to get along and stop yelling at each other. So if someone watches him, should we judge them for their "intolerance" because someone told us the guy is a bigot? My whole question was at what point are we being intolerant ourselves with these judgmental views of what other people think or who they're allowed to be friends with without being judged for it, and so on. Jericho gets judged just for having a diverse range of opinions on his podcast, because he's supposed to only interact with a limited range of thought I guess. This is the wrong place to have this discussion though. Much easier to just post a point-gaining take. Here's mine: "I'll gladly push back against bigotry wherever it is!" There we go. The fact you want to boil down what people say on issues to "point gaining takes" is telling enough frankly. What I mean is that it's easier to post something that'll get likes and approval, not that people don't actually believe what they're saying or are only trying to score points. It's easy to just agree with the crowd, especially on something as basic as "don't be a bigot" and "be nice to everyone" which I think most people can concur with.
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The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 7, 2024 11:24:19 GMT -5
My guy out here like "Mrs. Jericho only rallied behind a cause for violence, she didn't commit any!"
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 7, 2024 11:27:48 GMT -5
The fact you want to boil down what people say on issues to "point gaining takes" is telling enough frankly. What I mean is that it's easier to post something that'll get likes and approval, not that people don't actually believe what they're saying or are only trying to score points. It's easy to just agree with the crowd, especially on something as basic as "don't be a bigot" and "be nice to everyone" which I think most people can concur with. Sure but people might be sharing the thing they genuinely believe to put their voice behind something they genuinely believe as their input on an issue, not to make people on a wrestling forum go "Wow yeah so true bestie". I imagine anyone has to expect that even on a place as significantly less hellish a wrestling space as this, that statements are going to devolve into arguments and not get universal acclaim. I've seen people post like essay-length shit about why they don't support gay people anymore in the CM Punk thread (that thankfully got removed) and I've seen things like "Hulk Hogan is a racist" get some startlingly melted pushback. Even if you aren't doubting that people hold those views, doubting why they share those views still puts a very specific intention onto people.
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Post by rajaah on Jan 7, 2024 11:28:30 GMT -5
My guy out here like "Mrs. Jericho only rallied behind a cause for violence, she didn't commit any!" Oh boy. She didn't, though. I've got a major issue with people mind-reading the woman like they know her. She waved a flag at a protest because she thought an election got stolen. I did that myself for Al Gore back in the day when I was a spry kid. I'm not responsible for the people that were throwing eggs at George W's motorcade at the same event. Though in retrospect more power to those egg-throwers. Regardless, I'm going to stop posting so this discussion can fade away, because it isn't going to accomplish much.
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Dub H
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Post by Dub H on Jan 7, 2024 11:35:37 GMT -5
This is why we got a no politics rule ,let's keep like that.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 7, 2024 11:38:41 GMT -5
My guy out here like "Mrs. Jericho only rallied behind a cause for violence, she didn't commit any!" If Jessica Lockhart did only one thing ever then maybe. Maybe. But like, she has a twitter account. She shares other opinions. She says things. We can see those things. We can see her calling herself a "proud pure blood" over vaccines, calling random celebrities and politicians pedophiles because she believes they're secretly trafficking and harvesting children in a Satanic ritual, and like I really just need to stop listing anything because that one really sinks it. There is a reality to some beliefs so hostile and so ready for a specific sort of justified violence over bigoted and often completely made up things that aren't happening, that I think people have to just not actually know how deep this shit goes to go "Well no these people aren't hateful you just don't like who they vote for". Shit's not even about voting or politics, it's just actually insane.
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Fade
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Post by Fade on Jan 7, 2024 11:54:31 GMT -5
This is why we got a no politics rule ,let's keep like that. This thread was locked a while ago because “there wssnt anything to the allegations”, then reopened when Hausman spoke again, allowed open to dunk on him for pages while banning him, allowed open as political life discourse went on, allowed open as people spammed about a band(iono?) and it’s still open as political discussion returns; there’s no rules in January!
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Post by CeilingFan on Jan 7, 2024 12:00:23 GMT -5
Can we all agree that Jericho needs to take a 6-month hiatus?
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Post by Zombie Mod on Jan 7, 2024 12:03:47 GMT -5
This is why we got a no politics rule ,let's keep like that. This thread was locked a while ago because “there wssnt anything to the allegations”, then reopened when Hausman spoke again, allowed open to dunk on him for pages while banning him, allowed open as political life discourse went on, allowed open as people spammed about a band(iono?) and it’s still open as political discussion returns; there’s no rules in January! honestly, there's not much left to discuss now.
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