tirtefaa
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Post by tirtefaa on Feb 6, 2024 20:53:30 GMT -5
I wonder how Bret would feel if Bad News Brown spent every interview constantly reminding everyone of how Bret sloppily gave him a really nasty concussion?
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cosmo
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Post by cosmo on Feb 6, 2024 21:23:11 GMT -5
It kind of tickles me how seemingly all of Bret's generation of wrestlers just HAAAAAATES that dive onto a bunch of guys spot. I wonder what spot the current crop of wrestlers will hate 20 years from now.
"What do you mean they're not doing 30,000 superkicks and five Canadian Destroyers for a two count anymore, and that kayfabe has been resurrected? Kids these days..."
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Zone Was Wrong
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Feb 6, 2024 21:32:12 GMT -5
Honestly, hating on current trends in wrestling always tickles me. Like, wrestling evolves and has always evolved. Hard chops and stuff like that is just a part of that. Even 20 years ago the style is massively different and 20 years before that the style was wildly different. It is what it is to me.
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bob
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Post by bob on Feb 7, 2024 6:34:05 GMT -5
Bret hates Goldberg almost as much as I hate Nana Goddamn, Bob, Goldberg ended Bret's career, what did Prince Nana do so bad to you? Nana knows 😠😠😠😠😠
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Feb 7, 2024 6:54:48 GMT -5
Bret has been consistent on his dislike of chops, it's one of the things he never liked about Flair's work.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Feb 7, 2024 8:21:41 GMT -5
I don't know why it's so damn funny to me, but I'll never stop laughing at the fact that he always calls him "Bill Goldberg," instead of just "Goldberg." He should go further with the gimmick. "That's not wrestling, that's William Scott Goldberg (DOB 12/27/1966) wrestling".
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thecrusherwi
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Post by thecrusherwi on Feb 7, 2024 11:04:46 GMT -5
Bret has been consistent on his dislike of chops, it's one of the things he never liked about Flair's work. Bret has been consistent with most of his wrestling opinions for a long time. People just like to play up the grumpy old man trope. He has a very clear opinion of what style of wrestling he likes and he has always been critical of things that are outside of that style. He has criticized the work style of Flair and Hogan for 20 years publicly and probably longer in private. And most of the critiques of modern wrestling he has are very specific things. It always seems to get glossed over that in nearly every one of these interviews, he mentions some modern wrestlers who he likes watching. You certainly can disagree with his opinion on what good wrestling is, but dismissing his opinion as "old man yells at cloud" is unfair. He always talks specific things he doesn't like and he has been just as critical of people in his own era as people wrestling today. Bret also has a very dry sense of humor. I'm convinced at this point he goes out of his way to bring up Goldberg because he thinks it's funny.
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msc
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Post by msc on Feb 7, 2024 11:23:33 GMT -5
This actually reminds me of an old internet thing probably long lost. Lou Thesz used to post on internet wrestling forums back in the 90s, and he was as every bit "things better in my day" as you might expect. But one time he was talking about the wrestlers of today (circa 1998) and how he didn't enjoy any of the modern guys "except that Owen Hart, he's good". It was as random as hell, and I loved it.
iirc JR actually referenced it on PPV once: "Lou Thesz won't be enjoying this!"
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Feb 7, 2024 13:38:25 GMT -5
This actually reminds me of an old internet thing probably long lost. Lou Thesz used to post on internet wrestling forums back in the 90s, and he was as every bit "things better in my day" as you might expect. But one time he was talking about the wrestlers of today (circa 1998) and how he didn't enjoy any of the modern guys "except that Owen Hart, he's good". It was as random as hell, and I loved it. iirc JR actually referenced it on PPV once: "Lou Thesz won't be enjoying this!" Lou Thesz posting on 90s forums is the most surreal IWC image ever.
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Wieners=$$$
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Feb 7, 2024 16:25:52 GMT -5
Hey Mr. Hitman, what do you think about the state of modern wrestling?
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Wieners=$$$
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Feb 7, 2024 16:44:01 GMT -5
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malloc
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Post by malloc on Feb 8, 2024 14:01:12 GMT -5
Also, Rhea ain't gonna f*** ya. What an odd thing to say.
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Post by hitman777 on Feb 8, 2024 14:18:18 GMT -5
Also, Rhea ain't gonna f*** ya. What an odd thing to say. Probably the worst post and take from a moderator on here I've ever seen. Extremely distasteful.
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lucas_lee
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 8, 2024 14:29:49 GMT -5
What an odd thing to say. Probably the worst post and take from a moderator on here I've ever seen. Extremely distasteful. TBF he was referring to Brets history of saying a lot of weird and scummy things towards the women. I dunno if Bret changed but he was saying some really wild stuff that would get him in trouble today.
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Mozenrath
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 8, 2024 16:44:40 GMT -5
Probably the worst post and take from a moderator on here I've ever seen. Extremely distasteful. TBF he was referring to Brets history of saying a lot of weird and scummy things towards the women. I dunno if Bret changed but he was saying some really wild stuff that would get him in trouble today. Yeah, I get that it's a bad sentiment generally, but this is probably in reference to his "who ever got a boner watching Moolah?" comment from ages ago. Bret has a history of that kind of thing.
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pinja
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Post by pinja on Feb 9, 2024 7:47:21 GMT -5
Bret is not wrong at saying that modern wrestling sucks compared to his days when his metrics differ from today. He is just wrong at thinking that it makes modern wrestling generally inferior because said metrics are arbitrary. It is the same with every artistic endeavor.
I too prefer what was emphasized in the 80s and 90s than what is emphasized today. Wrestling has simply diversified and the majority isn't my style anymore. That's my problem - not the wrestlers'.
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Post by Ganon83 on Feb 9, 2024 8:00:37 GMT -5
Another big difference between Bret and Cornette is that Cornette is essentially a shock jock who wants you to listen to his podcasts and buy his shit. He's a work-shoot. Bret is a grandpa who at most goofs off with his family on Tik Tok and doesn't need to go out and get clicks and views by saying outrageous statements. He'll give interviews like this from time to time but doesn't make a habit of it.
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cosmo
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Post by cosmo on Feb 9, 2024 16:57:29 GMT -5
Another big difference between Bret and Cornette is that Cornette is essentially a shock jock who wants you to listen to his podcasts and buy his shit. He's a work-shoot. Bret is a grandpa who at most goofs off with his family on Tik Tok and doesn't need to go out and get clicks and views by saying outrageous statements. He'll give interviews like this from time to time but doesn't make a habit of it.
For real. I've been saying for quite a while, that I don't really think Cornette actually believes half the shit he says, or he is exaggerating when he does. But either way, he's just working the whole "cranky old man" gimmick because it's what his fans more than likely expect from him and the people who hate-listen wanna her what he'll say next.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 9, 2024 17:39:16 GMT -5
Oh my god, Bret, I am with you on the chops. I loathe chop-spots. They grind matches to a halt, and when everyone does them, and the vast majority of the time, it's just generic, no distinct character or match psychology getting communicated, just time for the chop spot.
I went to a local indie show last month, and this otherwise fantastic match with four awesome indie superstars had this boring, looooonnnng chopfest. But there was a highlight: one of the people involved was Bryan Keith, and his participation in that spot was notably more interesting than everyone else's, because Bryan Keith's character totally would do that. He would take any chance to bully and out-macho his opponents in order to intimidate them. That allowed him to add little nuances that helped get that character over. Everyone else just chopped because it was chopping time.
But even then? Even in that best-case scenario? Bret's right, and he's even underselling it. Because it's not just that chops hurt for real. It's that the entire point to the audience is that chops hurt for real. The audience is supposed to sit there and think, "Unlike those other moves, that caused pain in real life." Chop-spots are inherently anti-kayfabe. And it is absolutely not good to take any steps down the road of training wrestling audiences to pop for the infliction of real-life pain.
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cosmo
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Post by cosmo on Feb 9, 2024 19:35:15 GMT -5
Oh my god, Bret, I am with you on the chops. I loathe chop-spots. They grind matches to a halt, and when everyone does them, and the vast majority of the time, it's just generic, no distinct character or match psychology getting communicated, just time for the chop spot. I went to a local indie show last month, and this otherwise fantastic match with four awesome indie superstars had this boring, looooonnnng chopfest. But there was a highlight: one of the people involved was Bryan Keith, and his participation in that spot was notably more interesting than everyone else's, because Bryan Keith's character totally would do that. He would take any chance to bully and out-macho his opponents in order to intimidate them. That allowed him to add little nuances that helped get that character over. Everyone else just chopped because it was chopping time. But even then? Even in that best-case scenario? Bret's right, and he's even underselling it. Because it's not just that chops hurt for real. It's that the entire point to the audience is that chops hurt for real. The audience is supposed to sit there and think, "Unlike those other moves, that caused pain in real life." Chop-spots are inherently anti-kayfabe. And it is absolutely not good to take any steps down the road of training wrestling audiences to pop for the infliction of real-life pain.
Personally, I'm okay with chop spots being narrowed down to just Ric Flair, Gunther, and anyone who is wrestling while Toni Storm is on commentary, just so she can do the "slapped her right in the titties!" joke again.
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