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Post by 4real on Mar 2, 2024 13:45:15 GMT -5
It was great. Was it too long? Absolutely. But it was gripping. To me anyway.
How many Breakker v Xyon Quinn matches could you have fit into that time?
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Mar 2, 2024 16:13:21 GMT -5
Roman needs to up his game in the dress department.
Doesn't exactly scream Head of the Table in a hoodie while Rock rocks Versace
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Mar 2, 2024 16:18:09 GMT -5
It was great. Was it too long? Absolutely. But it was gripping. To me anyway. How many Breakker v Xyon Quinn matches could you have fit into that time? Good point but watching Breakker spear Quinn for 40 minutes straight sounds like peak television to me
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Post by fw91 on Mar 2, 2024 16:19:03 GMT -5
It was great. Was it too long? Absolutely. But it was gripping. To me anyway. How many Breakker v Xyon Quinn matches could you have fit into that time? That's pretty much where I stand on it. If I have interest in something, I don't mind if it goes long. To me TV Shows and PLE's should be fundamentally different. Like if last night happened on a PLE and matches with build and stakes got the axe or time cut, I'd be upset. But I don't think the show last night suffered at all because of it. (Censors and blackouts aside of course)
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 2, 2024 16:24:31 GMT -5
Honestly Rock goes against everything I think about old guys in wrestling. We're lucky to have him and I find even his corniest shit entertaining
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Post by papagiorgio on Mar 2, 2024 16:25:47 GMT -5
The only parts I didn't like about it were the lame black outs.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Mar 2, 2024 17:08:44 GMT -5
He mentioned "Professional Wrestling" and not "Sports Entertainment". Another Vinc-ism gone!
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Post by chrom on Mar 2, 2024 17:19:30 GMT -5
He starts talking, I stop listening.
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Post by edgestar on Mar 2, 2024 17:39:21 GMT -5
I don't know why they fix this. It was a German fan with a sign that says "The Rocky The." I've been sick, and up all night with sinus issues. I thought that said Wrestlemania was this Saturday, April 6 and 7. Fun times!!
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 2, 2024 17:47:25 GMT -5
Remember when the Rock used to mock Triple H for his “20 minute promos.”
This nonsense went DOUBLE that.
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Post by ghost on Mar 2, 2024 18:05:50 GMT -5
I’m a big Roman Reigns fan, his heel character has been fantastic. With that said, yeah, the Rock’s presence completely overshadows him. You almost forget he’s there when Rock is cutting a promo. Reigns compared to today’s wrestling talent is at the top of the food chain, but you can tell the difference when he’s in there with one of the greatest ever.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 2, 2024 18:09:10 GMT -5
It's an area of wrestling Rock has f***in' never been good at. He knows how to do his style of promos and it's a style that leaves little room for anyone to feel important beside him or get put over because it's all very much by design centered on him. It might be the nature of his character, but not being a full time guy and the company's top star makes it so much more blatant and abysmal. Paul Heyman will cut promos that make whoever is in the ring with them look like crap, but you'll at least know they're there. Rock all but renders them invisible. It's a very selfish character he never grew out of or developed any further, so him just playing the hits as someone who's allegedly there to bring more to this story (read: take the spotlight) just makes Roman seem like an afterthought to his own record-setting title. He should have taken the hint and bowed out after all the controversy when they put Cody back into the match, and him hanging on to it trying to salvage shit is just highlighting that he should have stayed away entirely. He won't make anyone look good, and if you glory days are over twenty years ago, it's inexcusable for you to be on-screen if your goal isn't to make someone else look good. But it isn't how he always was, that's the crazy part. He was always more than capable of completely stalling someone from being viewed as a threat with one promo (Dear God, it's me Billy) but he was also able to get guys way over as a heel. He got the Hurricane gimmick over for like 3 years after a 3-week feud that was only on Raw. He's rusty and so used to having to try to put himself over because that's what his whole persona is, but also it's the story they're trying to tell and so far they're moving it along either way too slowly or simply. Let's see if they can actually get Roman his juice back. it was because A. the Rock/Hurricane was a back and forth backstage promo and not an in the ring solo promo. B. The rock was around to actually wrestle so even at his most braggadocios he'd lose in the ring and that's where people would get the rub.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 2, 2024 19:01:18 GMT -5
It's an area of wrestling Rock has f***in' never been good at. He knows how to do his style of promos and it's a style that leaves little room for anyone to feel important beside him or get put over because it's all very much by design centered on him. It might be the nature of his character, but not being a full time guy and the company's top star makes it so much more blatant and abysmal. Paul Heyman will cut promos that make whoever is in the ring with them look like crap, but you'll at least know they're there. Rock all but renders them invisible. It's a very selfish character he never grew out of or developed any further, so him just playing the hits as someone who's allegedly there to bring more to this story (read: take the spotlight) just makes Roman seem like an afterthought to his own record-setting title. He should have taken the hint and bowed out after all the controversy when they put Cody back into the match, and him hanging on to it trying to salvage shit is just highlighting that he should have stayed away entirely. He won't make anyone look good, and if you glory days are over twenty years ago, it's inexcusable for you to be on-screen if your goal isn't to make someone else look good. But it isn't how he always was, that's the crazy part. He was always more than capable of completely stalling someone from being viewed as a threat with one promo (Dear God, it's me Billy) but he was also able to get guys way over as a heel. He got the Hurricane gimmick over for like 3 years after a 3-week feud that was only on Raw. He's rusty and so used to having to try to put himself over because that's what his whole persona is, but also it's the story they're trying to tell and so far they're moving it along either way too slowly or simply. Let's see if they can actually get Roman his juice back. I'll concede the Hurricane feud, but that was such a rare occurrence that I don't know if I'd chalk that up to him actually being good at putting people over as a wrestleguy talent he possessed, and more that things worked out in that one story. But he's been unable to do anything but The Hits since he stopped being full time, and the hits are absolutely worthless for making anyone else in the room matter. I get it's his persona, but a persona constructed to never get anyone else over is a pretty shit persona.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 2, 2024 19:55:28 GMT -5
But it isn't how he always was, that's the crazy part. He was always more than capable of completely stalling someone from being viewed as a threat with one promo (Dear God, it's me Billy) but he was also able to get guys way over as a heel. He got the Hurricane gimmick over for like 3 years after a 3-week feud that was only on Raw. He's rusty and so used to having to try to put himself over because that's what his whole persona is, but also it's the story they're trying to tell and so far they're moving it along either way too slowly or simply. Let's see if they can actually get Roman his juice back. I'll concede the Hurricane feud, but that was such a rare occurrence that I don't know if I'd chalk that up to him actually being good at putting people over as a wrestleguy talent he possessed, and more that things worked out in that one story. But he's been unable to do anything but The Hits since he stopped being full time, and the hits are absolutely worthless for making anyone else in the room matter. I get it's his persona, but a persona constructed to never get anyone else over is a pretty shit persona. Also as I said, that persona works when he was wrestling full time his losing shows that it's all bravado... but when he comes back and just buries everyone by talking about how great he is... and then not wrestling doesn't work.
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 2, 2024 20:03:14 GMT -5
The Rock lost quite a lot for a top guy back in the day. So it tended to help equalize things when he cut promos.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 2, 2024 20:06:00 GMT -5
I’m always surprised at how the Hurricane v Rock match gets held with such reverence, given how much we like to deconstruct any win and how it comes about until it means nothing anymore. Like, it’s the most “roll up while being distracted by the entrance music and run-in” finish ever to exist. Literally the one they’d put in the textbook. They don’t even play Hurricane’s music when he wins, they just keep playing Austin’s.
Guess I had to be there.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Mar 2, 2024 20:43:50 GMT -5
I ain't gonna lie, when watching all i could think was how 2nd rate Roman looked next to and after The Rock spoke.
Its crazy how much of a disparity in stage presence there is between the two. I've seen it before but in this particular case it was very noticable.
The Rock overshadows Roman completely and if there is to be a match with them, they have a good start with that.
But yikes, I never realized how bad it was til last night. Roman looks like little bro to The Rock. Solo came across almost like a joke and Jimmy was just happy to be there.
Its like an unintentional burial. The Rock is suppose to elevate Roman but instead he's taken away almost all of his heat at a piviotal time in the story.
Cody vs Roman straight up was fine. It didn't need The Rock or Seth Rollins. I think both matches will be fine but this is already overbooked and we aren't even a month away yet.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 2, 2024 20:52:17 GMT -5
But it isn't how he always was, that's the crazy part. He was always more than capable of completely stalling someone from being viewed as a threat with one promo (Dear God, it's me Billy) but he was also able to get guys way over as a heel. He got the Hurricane gimmick over for like 3 years after a 3-week feud that was only on Raw. He's rusty and so used to having to try to put himself over because that's what his whole persona is, but also it's the story they're trying to tell and so far they're moving it along either way too slowly or simply. Let's see if they can actually get Roman his juice back. I'll concede the Hurricane feud, but that was such a rare occurrence that I don't know if I'd chalk that up to him actually being good at putting people over as a wrestleguy talent he possessed, and more that things worked out in that one story. But he's been unable to do anything but The Hits since he stopped being full time, and the hits are absolutely worthless for making anyone else in the room matter. I get it's his persona, but a persona constructed to never get anyone else over is a pretty shit persona. He made Lesnar look great in 2002. Put Goldberg over big in 2003. He (along with Foley) helped make Orton and Batista look good coming out of Mania XX. The Cena-Rock feud seemed to elevate Cena even further than he had been (and elevated the company as a whole). Other than that, I’m not even sure he’s really been back for any feuds, just random one-off promos where he beats up a heel.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Mar 2, 2024 22:34:36 GMT -5
It doesn't help that both times when Rock has been cutting his promo they've all just stood off to the side, almost as if they're off stage in the wings.
Maybe that's the point and Roman becoming more paranoid and feeling overshadowed is where the rift comes in. When they finally did interact and Roman asked Rock to acknowledge him it did come across a lot better than just Dwayne and his little friends.
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Post by Ryushinku on Mar 3, 2024 3:54:50 GMT -5
I'm a little baffled, I had such an opposite reaction to most here. I thought it was great.
Isn't a big part of the point that Roman is feeling diminished by this and his paranoia is ramping up again? Rock going on these long egotistical rambles, making it all about himself, to the point where Roman has to interrupt and grab on to his comfort blanket of acknowledgement? That Rock does so with a flicker of annoyance and fake sincerity? That Heyman is terrified his meal ticket is going to come to blows with him and that a split is going to happen? Even Heyman suspiciously catching Rock not going along with the proper Bloodline gesture at the end. All this to a backdrop that Cody is getting his rematch and the pressure is already on for Roman to deliver again.
Everyone's body language seems to be playing it this way. If this isn't how it plays out ultimately then mea culpa.
But Rock making himself more important, Roman feeling overshadowed, all that stuff, seems entirely what they're doing here.
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