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Post by Snaptastic on Mar 4, 2024 18:56:10 GMT -5
The problem with that is the feud, which should be Cody Rhodes versus Roman Reigns but for the past three weeks has been Cody Rhodes versus The Rock, becomes Roman Reigns versus The Rock. The Rock should be a side character in the championship storyline, instead he's front and center. Hell, now that he called Seth Rollins a walking clown emoji (like six times), the Rollins-McIntyre feud on Raw becomes about The Rock. He's inching dangerously close to becoming WrestleMania XL Poochie. Oh, he's already there. I feel like if this was anyone else, (like you know wHHHo) people would be shitting on this in the worst way possible. I don't know. Feels like we're already at the dumping stage for many people. Personally I feel his inclusion has elevated the whole thing beyond a rehash of last year. Not everyone's cup of tea I grant you. The other issue, is that if an old star from a bygone era can turn up and outshine your current top stars....then that isn't a great indictment on your current roster.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 5, 2024 10:48:23 GMT -5
It's kind of insane how hard Roman is being overshadowed here
This feels like the Story we're supposed to be finishing has become secondary to the sudden Rock insertion and frankly, that's what Rock wanted in the first place, he just took an end around way to get to it...
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Post by BRV on Mar 5, 2024 11:21:35 GMT -5
Oh, he's already there. I feel like if this was anyone else, (like you know wHHHo) people would be shitting on this in the worst way possible. I don't know. Feels like we're already at the dumping stage for many people. Personally I feel his inclusion has elevated the whole thing beyond a rehash of last year. Not everyone's cup of tea I grant you. The other issue, is that if an old star from a bygone era can turn up and outshine your current top stars....then that isn't a great indictment on your current roster. It's not hard to outshine the current stars when, during a 40-minute promo, you get 30 minutes of mic time and the other guy gets 10. Also, The Rock isn't even in the ring when Roman Reigns is talking, but when The Rock is talking, Roman is in the ring with him but literally never even on screen.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 5, 2024 11:31:50 GMT -5
It's kind of insane how hard Roman is being overshadowed here This feels like the Story we're supposed to be finishing has become secondary to the sudden Rock insertion and frankly, that's what Rock wanted in the first place, he just took an end around way to get to it... I'm hopeful that after they get the Rock/Roman vs. Seth/Cody match set up this week we do get a showdown or two with just Cody/Roman because I agree that's kind of fallen to the wayside. Roman feels lesser right now as well, but I think that might be by design in advance of any actual Roman/Rock match later this year or at Mania 41.
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Post by BRV on Mar 5, 2024 11:53:57 GMT -5
It's kind of insane how hard Roman is being overshadowed here This feels like the Story we're supposed to be finishing has become secondary to the sudden Rock insertion and frankly, that's what Rock wanted in the first place, he just took an end around way to get to it... I'm hopeful that after they get the Rock/Roman vs. Seth/Cody match set up this week we do get a showdown or two with just Cody/Roman because I agree that's kind of fallen to the wayside. Roman feels lesser right now as well, but I think that might be by design in advance of any actual Roman/Rock match later this year or at Mania 41. We know The Rock will be at SmackDown this Friday in Dallas and next Friday in Memphis. But he's made no indication that he'll be in Milwaukee on March 22 or Uncasville, Conn. on March 29. Those two weeks - plus the episodes of Raw on March 25 in Chicago and April 1 in Brooklyn - need to solely be focused on the championship matches without The Rock's shadow casting over it. Those need to be the two weeks that are exclusively on building the drama and hype toward Cody-Roman and Seth-Drew.
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Post by The anti-ratings Luddite on Mar 5, 2024 12:36:12 GMT -5
I’m always surprised at how the Hurricane v Rock match gets held with such reverence, given how much we like to deconstruct any win and how it comes about until it means nothing anymore. Like, it’s the most “roll up while being distracted by the entrance music and run-in” finish ever to exist. Literally the one they’d put in the textbook. They don’t even play Hurricane’s music when he wins, they just keep playing Austin’s. Guess I had to be there. I'm gonna go all in on an opinion that might cause tomatoes to be thrown at me: Triple H did more to put talent over than Rock ever did. Yes, Reign of Terror Cerebral Assassin trips was dog water 99% of the time, but when it came time to do business and make someone, he made sure he put them over clean as a sheet. He tapped to Benoit in the dead center of the ring, Batista basically killed him not once, but twice. Hell, I'd argue that he made a pretty limited (even then) Bill Goldberg look like Godzilla.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 5, 2024 12:37:58 GMT -5
I’m always surprised at how the Hurricane v Rock match gets held with such reverence, given how much we like to deconstruct any win and how it comes about until it means nothing anymore. Like, it’s the most “roll up while being distracted by the entrance music and run-in” finish ever to exist. Literally the one they’d put in the textbook. They don’t even play Hurricane’s music when he wins, they just keep playing Austin’s. Guess I had to be there. I'm gonna go all in on an opinion that might cause tomatoes to be thrown at me: Triple H did more to put talent over than Rock ever did. Yes, Reign of Terror Cerebral Assassin trips was dog water 99% of the time, but when it came time to do business and make someone, he made sure he put them over clean as a sheet. He tapped to Benoit in the dead center of the ring, Batista basically killed him not once, but twice. Hell, I'd argue that he made a pretty limited (even then) Bill Goldberg look like Godzilla. Hi Paul Levesque, welcome to FAN
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 5, 2024 12:45:33 GMT -5
Triple H is also the guy who randomly pedigreed London and Kendrick for no reason when they came out to help him (because he desperately wanted to be Stone Cold I guess).
Came out of retirement to randomly beat white hot CM Punk.
Beat Sting in Sting’s only Mania match.
Felt like he needed to have the longest/one of the longest matches on almost every Mania he was on.
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Post by BorneAgain on Mar 5, 2024 13:23:41 GMT -5
HHH putting over Goldberg would have been much more impressive had he done so at Summerslam when the latter was at his hottest and not in a ho hum match at Unforgiven when he had cooled off significantly.
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Post by mo on Mar 5, 2024 14:04:14 GMT -5
Hunter would 100 percent be worse than Rock lol. He’s got about the same size ego as Rock while being half the performer he was.
We had about a decade+ of him making the company about himself, we don’t really need anymore.
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Post by The anti-ratings Luddite on Mar 5, 2024 14:08:03 GMT -5
Keep the tomatoes coming, ladies and gents!
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Mar 5, 2024 14:16:17 GMT -5
HHH should be in prison
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Post by Cyno on Mar 5, 2024 15:18:27 GMT -5
As much as I like heel Rock, I don't need an Immortal's worth of it in one sitting. Gotta hand it to him though. He's got such a gift of gab that he can make a promo that, on paper, is really not that good and filled with a lot of repeated phrases sound real intriguing.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Mar 9, 2024 11:13:13 GMT -5
As much as I enjoyed the Rocks performance, he’s a total asshole for overshadowing Roman during the potential end of his historic title reign. I get that the overshadowing part is suppose to set Rock vs Roman for next year, but I feel like Cody/Roman 2 should be a more important story. They need to have Roman have instagram segments like the Rock or atleast one on one segments with Cody
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 9, 2024 11:20:24 GMT -5
As much as I enjoyed the Rocks performance, he’s a total asshole for overshadowing Roman during the potential end of his historic title reign. I get that the overshadowing part is suppose to set Rock vs Roman for next year, but I feel like Cody/Roman 2 should be a more important story. They need to have Roman have instagram segments like the Rock or atleast one on one segments with Cody Yeah, "The point is that he's being overshadowed" doesn't remove the fact that WWE poured years into making him the guy and now when he's finally about to put someone over he's been pushed into the background. Roman, narratively should not even be someone you can overshadow, that's the whole thing they've built up.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 9, 2024 11:27:30 GMT -5
As much as I enjoyed the Rocks performance, he’s a total asshole for overshadowing Roman during the potential end of his historic title reign. I get that the overshadowing part is suppose to set Rock vs Roman for next year, but I feel like Cody/Roman 2 should be a more important story. They need to have Roman have instagram segments like the Rock or atleast one on one segments with Cody Yeah, "The point is that he's being overshadowed" doesn't remove the fact that WWE poured years into making him the guy and now when he's finally about to put someone over he's been pushed into the background. Roman, narratively should not even be someone you can overshadow, that's the whole thing they've built up. But that’s the whole story, no? Cody winning is going to hit like crack for majority of fans no matter what. The way they’re setting it up now leaves it where fans after will be interested in a Rock-Roman match , either with Roman as a face or Rock as a face. Since wrestling never really concludes, I think keeping the story going in this way will benefit the show/storyline overall. Also, Rock is not advertised for the March 22nd or March 29th Smackdowns so it’s possible you get some Cody-Roman interaction on those days.
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Post by Nosnorb on Mar 9, 2024 12:11:31 GMT -5
Yeah, "The point is that he's being overshadowed" doesn't remove the fact that WWE poured years into making him the guy and now when he's finally about to put someone over he's been pushed into the background. Roman, narratively should not even be someone you can overshadow, that's the whole thing they've built up. But that’s the whole story, no? Cody winning is going to hit like crack for majority of fans no matter what. The way they’re setting it up now leaves it where fans after will be interested in a Rock-Roman match , either with Roman as a face or Rock as a face. Since wrestling never really concludes, I think keeping the story going in this way will benefit the show/storyline overall. They can do that without Roman getting totally overshadowed by not only The Rock, but Cody and Seth as well.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Mar 9, 2024 12:17:14 GMT -5
Yeah, "The point is that he's being overshadowed" doesn't remove the fact that WWE poured years into making him the guy and now when he's finally about to put someone over he's been pushed into the background. Roman, narratively should not even be someone you can overshadow, that's the whole thing they've built up. But that’s the whole story, no? Cody winning is going to hit like crack for majority of fans no matter what. The way they’re setting it up now leaves it where fans after will be interested in a Rock-Roman match , either with Roman as a face or Rock as a face. Since wrestling never really concludes, I think keeping the story going in this way will benefit the show/storyline overall. Also, Rock is not advertised for the March 22nd or March 29th Smackdowns so it’s possible you get some Cody-Roman interaction on those days. Cody’s calendar doesn’t advertise him for those Smackdowns.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 9, 2024 12:32:25 GMT -5
But that’s the whole story, no? Cody winning is going to hit like crack for majority of fans no matter what. The way they’re setting it up now leaves it where fans after will be interested in a Rock-Roman match , either with Roman as a face or Rock as a face. Since wrestling never really concludes, I think keeping the story going in this way will benefit the show/storyline overall. They can do that without Roman getting totally overshadowed by not only The Rock, but Cody and Seth as well. The story is Roman getting overshadowed by the Rock is what I’m saying. That’s the story. That’s why he felt insecure and made The Rock acknowledge him last week. That’s whats going to end up driving the wedge between them, whether it ends with Roman turning face or Rock.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 9, 2024 12:49:02 GMT -5
They can do that without Roman getting totally overshadowed by not only The Rock, but Cody and Seth as well. The story is Roman getting overshadowed by the Rock is what I’m saying. That’s the story. That’s why he felt insecure and made The Rock acknowledge him last week. That’s whats going to end up driving the wedge between them, whether it ends with Roman turning face or Rock. That's the story, but they didn't need to tell this story. Like, I understand that "the story they are telling is one where that happens, I acknowledge that in my post, but it's dumb to me that that's the story they're telling because it minimizes the guy the entire company has been built around. On the biggest show and on the eve of him finally putting someone over, minimizing him is a terrible decision. Roman should look either at his strongest so that Cody can take down the insurmountable, or at his most paranoid and unhinged so that the sum total of what characterization they've given him over the past few years reaches a boiling point. Putting The Rock in front of him to cut overlong promos doesn't put him in focus at the time where it really matters to. They can construct a story to get him and Rock into a ring together without looking at the build for the main event of Wrestlemania like it's got to start selling the match for Summerslam before the bell's even rung.
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