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Post by Cyno on Mar 5, 2024 18:54:42 GMT -5
Ay, did I not say he didn't need to do that damn shooting star press, lmao? Now he gets to sit at home and think about that stupid shit. Don't try and take some victory lap over this. You said he shouldn't have done the SSP because Jeff got injured. What about all of the other crazy stuff they did in the match including spots involving a ladder in which neither of them got hurt? Are those spots somehow ok because no one got hurt, but yet a SSP should be banned because someone got hurt? Come on. And it's not like he got suspended for using the SSP. Mistakes happen and the SSP's been a staple in a lot of high flyers' arsenals for decades at this point. I also don't remember Sammy ever being botch-happy with it either.
It's what happened afterwards that got him heat. I just watched the end of the match back and the reporting matches up with Turner's and Sampson's reactions to the GTH use. It's just really bad, stupid judgment on Guevara's part.
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Post by FinalGwen on Mar 5, 2024 19:11:57 GMT -5
Reminded of a newLegacyinc DDP Season Mode video where in one match they joked about calling an audible for an opponent's neck being hurt and so finished him with... a quick Burning Hammer. The most ridiculous idea, and yet pretty much happened here.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 5, 2024 19:15:31 GMT -5
I'm super curious about the tidbit from Fightful regarding dude no selling something against Will Hobbs the next week possibly contributing to this. What happened there? Getting in trouble in AEW for not selling is like failing an attendance-based class that takes place in your own kitchen
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Post by Dub H on Mar 5, 2024 19:17:00 GMT -5
In light of the report about the guys AEW is building up as its new big focuses, Sammy's absence from that list seems more telling now than ever before. Dude keeps finding new ways to get in trouble and he's not exactly lighting up the crowd when he shows up ion the first place, it really feels like as far as being a 'pillar' goes, he's the first one to pretty much eliminate himself from ever seeing that potential realized in AEW. The guy has never felt further away from a top spot and it's not even all Jericho's fault that he seems like a dead prospect. Sammy is sloppy and not that interesting and it's not like he has show progress ,he is the same performer as he started in AEW While Jack is not at the same level of MJF and Darby you can at least see constant improvements.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 5, 2024 19:28:23 GMT -5
In light of the report about the guys AEW is building up as its new big focuses, Sammy's absence from that list seems more telling now than ever before. Dude keeps finding new ways to get in trouble and he's not exactly lighting up the crowd when he shows up ion the first place, it really feels like as far as being a 'pillar' goes, he's the first one to pretty much eliminate himself from ever seeing that potential realized in AEW. The guy has never felt further away from a top spot and it's not even all Jericho's fault that he seems like a dead prospect. Sammy is sloppy and not that interesting and it's not like he has show progress ,he is the same performer as he started in AEW While Jack is not at the same level of MJF and Darby you can at least see constant improvements. Jack Perry being on excursion is a great way for him to go try some new stuff and experiment. It's overall a healthy thing more people should do, and AEW should lean on it more with prospects, frankly. Sammy was supposed to have that with TNA and pulled out last minute because he didn't like the creative. Sammy is not a top star in his current form and he's not getting any better, he's just finding new ways to bring controversy and problems.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Mar 5, 2024 19:34:22 GMT -5
I have said this before, there needs to be a standard rule in regards to concussion/possible concussion scenario accepted with this industry.
This is a full-contact business, where, no matter how well seasoned or practiced, accidents happen. EVERYONE INVOLVED has made an oath to not just put on a show, but to protect the well-being of anyone taking a spot.
Also, this is scripted. Shit can, and does, happen and it is on the booking to be able to have contingency solutions in case the unfortunate happens.
As a booker, you must make it clearly apparent to all parties that these are the guidelines when an injury may happen. ANY violation should be punishable, ie the workers, the ref(s), the booker all need to be held accountable.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Mar 5, 2024 19:52:02 GMT -5
I have said this before, there needs to be a standard rule in regards to concussion/possible concussion scenario accepted with this industry. This is a full-contact business, where, no matter how well seasoned or practiced, accidents happen. EVERYONE INVOLVED has made an oath to not just put on a show, but to protect the well-being of anyone taking a spot. Also, this is scripted. Shit can, and does, happen and it is on the booking to be able to have contingency solutions in case the unfortunate happens. As a booker, you must make it clearly apparent to all parties that these are the guidelines when an injury may happen. ANY violation should be punishable, ie the workers, the ref(s), the booker all need to be held accountable. I really liked Mox’s idea from a few months back. You have concussion spotters at ringside who know nothing about the product and nothing about the storyline and they’re only there for safety and their call is the final one. Angles be damned, safety comes first.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Mar 5, 2024 20:07:29 GMT -5
I have said this before, there needs to be a standard rule in regards to concussion/possible concussion scenario accepted with this industry. This is a full-contact business, where, no matter how well seasoned or practiced, accidents happen. EVERYONE INVOLVED has made an oath to not just put on a show, but to protect the well-being of anyone taking a spot. Also, this is scripted. Shit can, and does, happen and it is on the booking to be able to have contingency solutions in case the unfortunate happens. As a booker, you must make it clearly apparent to all parties that these are the guidelines when an injury may happen. ANY violation should be punishable, ie the workers, the ref(s), the booker all need to be held accountable. I really liked Mox’s idea from a few months back. You have concussion spotters at ringside who know nothing about the product and nothing about the storyline and they’re only there for safety and their call is the final one. Angles be damned, safety comes first. Agreed. I understand how much the refs can/may be asked to play a character within this business, but I feel this brings about a double-edged sword. The refs and any ringside trainer should be held to the highest scrutiny when it comes down to the well-being of the performers and the end to a match. A competent booker would appreciate the word of those professionals they trust with the talent's health. A TKO rule needs to be more stringent in this business to avoid worse injuries from happening. Wrestlers need to accept this ruling. Your booking does not overrule another person's safety.
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Post by CeilingFan on Mar 5, 2024 20:10:43 GMT -5
Am I the only Sammy Guevara fan around here?
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 5, 2024 20:20:12 GMT -5
Am I the only Sammy Guevara fan around here? I don’t dislike him actively, but when you compare him to most anyone else on the roster right now there’s nothing he does that others on the roster can’t do better. He’s the least complete package of all the pillars.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Mar 5, 2024 20:40:27 GMT -5
I have said this before, there needs to be a standard rule in regards to concussion/possible concussion scenario accepted with this industry. This is a full-contact business, where, no matter how well seasoned or practiced, accidents happen. EVERYONE INVOLVED has made an oath to not just put on a show, but to protect the well-being of anyone taking a spot. Also, this is scripted. Shit can, and does, happen and it is on the booking to be able to have contingency solutions in case the unfortunate happens. As a booker, you must make it clearly apparent to all parties that these are the guidelines when an injury may happen. ANY violation should be punishable, ie the workers, the ref(s), the booker all need to be held accountable. I really liked Mox’s idea from a few months back. You have concussion spotters at ringside who know nothing about the product and nothing about the storyline and they’re only there for safety and their call is the final one. Angles be damned, safety comes first. It's a good idea in theory but without at least a passing knowledge of the product or what is going to happen it could go south fast. Think of how many times we've seen people take bumps or sell where we think they're seriously injured but it turns out they were fine, the Hangman thing just two weeks ago for example or Bryan and his selling. Imagine there is an angle where someone is supposed to "injured" but return later in the match, they have to be clued in then they might ignore a real injury because they think it is the fake one or something.
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Post by J. Hova on Mar 5, 2024 20:41:53 GMT -5
I'm all about TK finally taking a stand and actually punishing some of his talent. Not knowing the specific details, I'm assuming the ref let Sammy know that Jeff was hurt. If not, he needs to be punished as well.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Mar 5, 2024 21:11:55 GMT -5
Dude isn’t safe on a major league promotional level. He’s sloppy. Said it in the original rampage thread
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 5, 2024 21:15:00 GMT -5
Yeah justifiable because the audible wasn't a good call from him, just roll Jeff up, that's what you need to do
The SSP had nothing to do with it, that was a botch, botches happen, and there were dozens of riskier moves they hit flush with no issues in that match
I think there are some people being a bit too harsh on Guevara here personally but I can't say he didn't earn that if there was a communication breakdown on how to end the match without any risk.
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Post by Main Event Mark on Mar 5, 2024 21:27:13 GMT -5
I've never been completely sold on Sammy. Not that he isn't talented, but something just didn't click to me. With all the other issues, backstage incidents, I'm not sure he's worth the hassle, honestly.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 5, 2024 21:56:21 GMT -5
Sammy is very talented but if he made a poor judgement call there, then it's fine if he faced some consequences. Archer hurt himself in a match with Eddie who promptly rolled him up which is probably what he should've done.
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Post by KingPooper on Mar 5, 2024 22:29:48 GMT -5
What’s amusing is when the concussion protocall was really stepped up was because of a match Sammy had with his brother, little bit of different circumstances of how it happened, but still interesting.
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Post by GOTHIC CHARISMA 🧊 🥶❄️FURY on Mar 5, 2024 22:48:24 GMT -5
suspension is fine but isn’t it really stupid to not just end the match right then and there?
if someone is that injured you don’t want to have to move their body in any way, why in the world would you have your policy be oh pin the guy if that is the case?
I wondered the same shit with Fenix/Mox and a few other matches. It looks like shit.
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Post by ghost on Mar 5, 2024 23:06:54 GMT -5
In light of the report about the guys AEW is building up as its new big focuses, Sammy's absence from that list seems more telling now than ever before. Dude keeps finding new ways to get in trouble and he's not exactly lighting up the crowd when he shows up ion the first place, it really feels like as far as being a 'pillar' goes, he's the first one to pretty much eliminate himself from ever seeing that potential realized in AEW. The guy has never felt further away from a top spot and it's not even all Jericho's fault that he seems like a dead prospect. Sammy is sloppy and not that interesting and it's not like he has show progress ,he is the same performer as he started in AEW While Jack is not at the same level of MJF and Darby you can at least see constant improvements. Sloppy, no ring psychology, limited promo skills, bland character. He looks and acts like a douchebag, so a heel is the only chance he has of becoming a compelling character, but he doesn’t have the other skills to be a top star. I can’t for the life of me understand why Khan is such a big fan.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 5, 2024 23:16:55 GMT -5
Sammy's a good wrestler, but obviously needs better judgment.
I feel like he's never really gotten back to where he was when Cody left, which doesn't feel like a coincidence. He probably needs mentorship, and that ain't going to come from Jericho.
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