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Post by ghost on Mar 6, 2024 15:27:33 GMT -5
Sammy’s been involved in a lot of shit, some his fault (this one, Sasha/Mercedes) and some more debatable (Kingston, Andrade). One thing that has been consistent is that he comes back with an undeserved push handed to him almost each time. I don’t think what I said above, even with some snark/sarcasm in it, was unrealistic. If you’re taking it literally and want to dissect it as me trying to state facts, rather than kinda mocking Khan for his love affair with Sammy, then you’re looking too deep into it.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 6, 2024 15:31:07 GMT -5
A lot of the "arguments" from this thread are based on poor communication and bad reading comprehension. Which is ironic because Sammy is getting suspended for just those things.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Mar 6, 2024 15:33:43 GMT -5
Sammy’s been involved in a lot of shit, some his fault (this one, Sasha/Mercedes) and some more debatable (Kingston, Andrade). One thing that has been consistent is that he comes back with an undeserved push handed to him almost each time. I don’t think what I said above, even with some snark/sarcasm in it, was unrealistic. If you’re taking it literally and want to dissect it as me trying to state facts, rather than kinda mocking Khan for his love affair with Sammy, then you’re looking too deep into it. What love affair though? Tag teaming with the black hole that is Jericho? Being fed to Hobbs on Collision out of nowhere? Hasn't held a title in forever and any story he's in, he's the sidekick. I don't get it.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 6, 2024 15:39:53 GMT -5
I don't really think Sammy has gotten undeserved pushes after suspensions. He was put back into the roles he was in prior to the incidents. Hell if anything, the last "issue" that popped up was around the time they stopped Sammy as a singles guy and moved him back to a member of JAS.
If anything, while they do still like Sammy, it feels like since the Pillars angle they've moved him back to mid to upper mid card in an effort to help get guys over.
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Post by ghost on Mar 6, 2024 15:41:14 GMT -5
Sammy’s been involved in a lot of shit, some his fault (this one, Sasha/Mercedes) and some more debatable (Kingston, Andrade). One thing that has been consistent is that he comes back with an undeserved push handed to him almost each time. I don’t think what I said above, even with some snark/sarcasm in it, was unrealistic. If you’re taking it literally and want to dissect it as me trying to state facts, rather than kinda mocking Khan for his love affair with Sammy, then you’re looking too deep into it. What love affair though? Tag teaming with the black hole that is Jericho? Being fed to Hobbs on Collision out of nowhere? Hasn't held a title in forever and any story he's in, he's the sidekick. I don't get it. I’m talking about his entire run, not the last few months. The Pillars title match, beating Miro when that actually meant something, beating Cody in his last match before going to WWE, pinning Danielson (I think, memory fuzzy on that), being in the Callis stable before plans had to change, Inner Circle, JAS, etc. Dude has been a major part of the shows for many years. I’m not saying he wins all the time or anything like that, but he’s consistently in prominent positions on TV when guys like Starks and Swerve were treading water for years despite being better in every conceivable way (thankfully that has changed with Swerve).
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Post by jm on Mar 6, 2024 15:48:35 GMT -5
What love affair though? Tag teaming with the black hole that is Jericho? Being fed to Hobbs on Collision out of nowhere? Hasn't held a title in forever and any story he's in, he's the sidekick. I don't get it. I’m talking about his entire run, not the last few months. The Pillars title match, beating Miro when that actually meant something, beating Cody in his last match before going to WWE, pinning Danielson (I think, memory fuzzy on that), being in the Callis stable before plans had to change, Inner Circle, JAS, etc. Dude has been a major part of the shows for many years. I’m not saying he wins all the time or anything like that, but he’s consistently in prominent positions on TV when guys like Starks and Swerve were treading water for years despite being better in every conceivable way (thankfully that has changed with Swerve). Sammy hasn't done anything major in months. And just like you yourself said, he doesn't even win all of the time. He's been pushed out of the spotlight since winter of last year.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 6, 2024 18:15:52 GMT -5
Perhaps 'dogshit' is an exaggeration, but whoever's fault this actually was, be it Sammy, the ref, Jeff, or the doctor, all of that is still AEW's fault. Sammy especially should have particularly had it drilled into him that if they think someone's concussed, just pin the guy. AEW are the ones who are responsible for the safety of all of these guys, so whoever f***s it up, it is AEW who are the ones who are at fault. Sammy was rightly punished at the very least for the misfire on what happened. It seems like they are getting stricter when something isn't followed to a protocol. That is true, I'll give you that
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Post by jean0987654321 on Mar 6, 2024 23:56:24 GMT -5
What a weird suspension. Why aren't they suspending Paul Turner or Dr. Sampson for not stopping the match and declaring it a TKO? Make it make sense. AEW concussion protocols are STILL trash compared to WWE
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 6, 2024 23:58:16 GMT -5
What a weird suspension. Why aren't they suspending Paul Turner or Dr. Sampson for not stopping the match and declaring it a TKO? Make it make sense. AEW concussion protocols are STILL trash compared to WWE Because Jeff wasn't concussed, he broke his nose, so they deemed it safe to take it to a safe finish Sammy did not take it to an optically safe finish, so he got punished
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Post by markymark on Mar 8, 2024 9:36:13 GMT -5
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Post by Kalmia on Mar 8, 2024 9:49:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I think Sammy is rightfully getting punished for this but I don't think he should be the only one.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 8, 2024 9:52:29 GMT -5
The story regardless of what seems to be the case seems to be there was a breakdown in communication between the parties.
Thankfully it was reported Jeff only had a broken nose, and was probably rocked from that by itself, but there definitely needed to be more clarity from everyone. Sammy to know not to go for a flipping knee driver to a guy whose face you just drilled, and maybe the doctor/ringside techs for not specifying this to Sammy harder in the minute the match was stopped
Definitely gotta learn from this from all parties. Finish needs to be as safe as possible, or the match needs to be stopped, basically.
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 8, 2024 10:00:32 GMT -5
If the ref didn't tell him what kind of finish to do, why is he being punished. If anything this should be a learning moment where they can fix a lot of the issues regarding this kind of stuff. It's not the first time it's happened. It's something you'd want to shore up for in the future and there will be other instances of this, but it'll be few and far between.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Mar 8, 2024 10:03:20 GMT -5
If there's a potential concussion just stop the match. Everyone knows about CTE, even a roll up could cause damage if the guy is knocked loopy and can't protect himself.
If they told Sammy to 'go home' then I can see how in the heat of the moment and him not thinking he's gone to the planned finish. Point is, if they were concerned about a concussion don't 'go home' just call it off. Sammy was an idiot but he shouldn't have been put in the situation to be an idiot to begin with.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 8, 2024 10:14:23 GMT -5
If there's a potential concussion just stop the match. Everyone knows about CTE, even a roll up could cause damage if the guy is knocked loopy and can't protect himself. If they told Sammy to 'go home' then I can see how in the heat of the moment and him not thinking he's gone to the planned finish. Point is, if they were concerned about a concussion don't 'go home' just call it off. Sammy was an idiot but he shouldn't have been put in the situation to be an idiot to begin with. If they specifically said "Go to the finish", I can see how he'd misinterpret that as "Go to YOUR finish". That said, I'm not against him being made an example of, but I think Turner should probably bare some responsibility there, too.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Mar 8, 2024 10:47:48 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm in the boat of if they think there's a potential concussion, just stop the match. There's no reason to go on with it. Add a win tally with an asterisk next to Sammy's name and move on. One thing WWE has been great about lately is just ending a match if there is that potential. It's a little awkward I'm sure but at the very least the commentators can pat AEW on the back about being cautious about performer's health.
Besides that fact, it honestly sounds like a communication problem perhaps where Sammy got some wires crossed thinking "go to the finish" meant go straight to his finisher and end the match.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 8, 2024 13:37:48 GMT -5
Possible concussion means the match should be stopped. Especially when we’re talking about a taped match with no real stakes and one in which the possibly concussed wrestler is the one scheduled to lose anyway.
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Post by markymark on Apr 26, 2024 10:07:37 GMT -5
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Post by CeilingFan on Apr 26, 2024 10:27:30 GMT -5
I hope he returns at Double Or Nothing.
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Apr 26, 2024 10:31:09 GMT -5
I really hope he stays away from Jericho and has a fresh start when he returns.
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