Sammy Guevara Suspended

[King Devitt]

Mar 5, 2024 16:37:15 GMT -5 ghost said:

If anyone thinks this will stop Khan from pushing Sammy, then you are sadly mistaken. A big undeserved push is waiting for him as soon as the suspension is over, if history tells us anything.

Pretty much what I came to post word for word.

He'll be in the main event of the show his first match back.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Mar 6, 2024 0:07:20 GMT -5 King Devitt said:

Mar 5, 2024 16:37:15 GMT -5 ghost said:

If anyone thinks this will stop Khan from pushing Sammy, then you are sadly mistaken. A big undeserved push is waiting for him as soon as the suspension is over, if history tells us anything.

Pretty much what I came to post word for word.

He'll be in the main event of the show his first match back.

Because he was main eventing so many shows before this.

Idk why everyone's acting like Guevara was on some world title push or suddenly will be after being suspended, but uh... he clearly was not, he literally just lost to Hobbs. So I would assume when he comes back he'll be doing the exact same thing he was before and y'know... be in the midcard?

He's literally been in the upper/midcard since the World Title Four Way and nothing has budged that.

[King Devitt]

Mar 6, 2024 0:10:32 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Mar 6, 2024 0:07:20 GMT -5 King Devitt said:

Pretty much what I came to post word for word.

He'll be in the main event of the show his first match back.

Because he was main eventing so many shows before this.

Idk why everyone's acting like Guevara was on some world title push or suddenly will be after being suspended, but uh... he clearly was not, he literally just lost to Hobbs. So I would assume when he comes back he'll be doing the exact same thing he was before and y'know... be in the midcard?

He's literally been in the upper/midcard since the World Title Four Way and nothing has budged that.

Noooo, we're referencing what's happened before (and in my case in a tongue in cheek manner).

Which was the entire point of the the previous response and mine. Not what he's doing now, or been doing. once again. not the point.

[Cyno]

Sarcasm and tongue in cheek humor are hard to pick up on the internet without any clear or even unclear attempts to make it look as such.

[Fade is a CodyCryBaby]

Mar 5, 2024 21:27:13 GMT -5 Main Event Mark said:

I've never been completely sold on Sammy. Not that he isn't talented, but something just didn't click to me.
With all the other issues, backstage incidents, I'm not sure he's worth the hassle, honestly.

I respectfully disagree with ppl who say WWE wouldn’t go for Miro if he left AEW. Even with the diva mentality. But if Guevara became a free agent? I firmly believe WWE wouldn’t go for him . At least not immediately.

[Renslayer]

Mar 5, 2024 16:42:37 GMT -5 markymark said:

Oh jeez, this would certainly explain it. I hope with more reporting we find out what was explained on how they'd end the match. If they told you do a roll up to minimize Jeff's injury and you (and possibly Jeff since he went to do a twist of fate) went to hit your finisher, that's gonna get you in trouble. I wonder if in the future a concussion is suspected, they just stop the match right then and there.

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

AEW's response to injuries is still dog shit I see

Sammy is an idiot but shouldn't take the fall for this. Last time he appeared to concuss someone they had 15 more minutes of the match. AEW are responsible for the safety of all their wrestlers and referees and if they don't know what to do in these moments, that is their fault

When WWE is doing a safety protocol better than you, take a cold hard look in the mirror

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Mar 6, 2024 3:27:36 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

AEW's response to injuries is still dog shit I see

Sammy is an idiot but shouldn't take the fall for this. Last time he appeared to concuss someone they had 15 more minutes of the match. AEW are responsible for the safety of all their wrestlers and referees and if they don't know what to do in these moments, that is their fault

When WWE is doing a safety protocol better than you, take a cold hard look in the mirror

I don't see how this is AEW's fault. They did everything correct, stopped the match for a full minute to assess since it was taped, and told Sammy and Jeff to go home. Sammy did the GTH, which is NOT what that meant, hence why he was punished

I don't see how that in any way is AEW being "dogshit" at handling injuries, they've been much better at it, wasn't on them for Sammy responding the wrong way to ending the match, hence... the punishment.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Mar 6, 2024 0:16:05 GMT -5 Cyno said:

Sarcasm and tongue in cheek humor are hard to pick up on the internet without any clear or even unclear attempts to make it look as such.

It's rough to be condescended to when both replies were about as straight as they could have been posted, especially when the second one was "What they were gonna post word for word"

It's also not even what happened before. If the reference is what happened with Andrade, Andrade punched HIM in the face, that wasn't really on Guevara, sorry I didn't pick up on the tongue and cheek I guess but I'm glad I wasn't nuts in thinking they were pretty serious in their presented tone lol

[simplydurhamcalling]

Mar 6, 2024 3:39:16 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Mar 6, 2024 3:27:36 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

AEW's response to injuries is still dog shit I see

Sammy is an idiot but shouldn't take the fall for this. Last time he appeared to concuss someone they had 15 more minutes of the match. AEW are responsible for the safety of all their wrestlers and referees and if they don't know what to do in these moments, that is their fault

When WWE is doing a safety protocol better than you, take a cold hard look in the mirror

I don't see how this is AEW's fault. They did everything correct, stopped the match for a full minute to assess since it was taped, and told Sammy and Jeff to go home. Sammy did the GTH, which is NOT what that meant, hence why he was punished

I don't see how that in any way is AEW being "dogshit" at handling injuries, they've been much better at it, wasn't on them for Sammy responding the wrong way to ending the match, hence... the punishment.

Why go to the finish? If it's a potential concussion just ring the bell and say Jeff is unable to continue. We don't know exactly how the instruction was relayed to Sammy but there needs to be no room for ambiguity either (not going to assume there was/wasn't in this case).

Did they introduce a new protocol after the Moxley/Fenix match as that was crazy?

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Mar 6, 2024 5:14:22 GMT -5 simplydurhamcalling said:

Mar 6, 2024 3:39:16 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

I don't see how this is AEW's fault. They did everything correct, stopped the match for a full minute to assess since it was taped, and told Sammy and Jeff to go home. Sammy did the GTH, which is NOT what that meant, hence why he was punished

I don't see how that in any way is AEW being "dogshit" at handling injuries, they've been much better at it, wasn't on them for Sammy responding the wrong way to ending the match, hence... the punishment.

Why go to the finish? If it's a potential concussion just ring the bell and say Jeff is unable to continue. We don't know exactly how the instruction was relayed to Sammy but there needs to be no room for ambiguity either (not going to assume there was/wasn't in this case).

Did they introduce a new protocol after the Moxley/Fenix match as that was crazy?

I don't think Jeff had a concussion actually. That was the assessment post match. He had a broken nose

The thing seemed to be just go to a finish for TV and end it, quick rollup they could edit, no further risk. The GTH was, even is a low one, further risk because he'd broken his nose

So I assume Jeff cleared protocol, but Sammy did not do what was smart, so that's not on AEW in that case, and Sammy got punished.

[Kalmia]

If they told Sammy to "go home" but didn't really explain that they meant just pin him instead of doing the planned finish/anything else, then that's piss poor communication and is on both Sammy for not realising, and the doctor/ref for not being clearer, IMO.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Mar 6, 2024 5:46:35 GMT -5 Kalmia said:

If they told Sammy to "go home" but didn't really explain that they meant just pin him instead of doing the planned finish/anything else, then that's piss poor communication and is on both Sammy for not realising, and the doctor/ref for not being clearer, IMO.

Idk if we'll ever really know who said what unless Sammy does a shoot interview later and isn't employed by AEW anymore, and even that'd be his side

But even if it's "Go Home" I feel like Sammy should have better judgment that "Hit my finisher which is a knee to the face of a guy with a broken nose" even if of course it's protected and not actually driving his knee into the mans face

[Jedi-El of Tomorrow]

Mar 6, 2024 5:14:22 GMT -5 simplydurhamcalling said:

Mar 6, 2024 3:39:16 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

I don't see how this is AEW's fault. They did everything correct, stopped the match for a full minute to assess since it was taped, and told Sammy and Jeff to go home. Sammy did the GTH, which is NOT what that meant, hence why he was punished

I don't see how that in any way is AEW being "dogshit" at handling injuries, they've been much better at it, wasn't on them for Sammy responding the wrong way to ending the match, hence... the punishment.

Why go to the finish? If it's a potential concussion just ring the bell and say Jeff is unable to continue. We don't know exactly how the instruction was relayed to Sammy but there needs to be no room for ambiguity either (not going to assume there was/wasn't in this case).

Did they introduce a new protocol after the Moxley/Fenix match as that was crazy?

Yeah, just stop the damn match and go with a TKO competitor can't continue finish.

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Mar 6, 2024 3:39:16 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Mar 6, 2024 3:27:36 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

AEW's response to injuries is still dog shit I see

Sammy is an idiot but shouldn't take the fall for this. Last time he appeared to concuss someone they had 15 more minutes of the match. AEW are responsible for the safety of all their wrestlers and referees and if they don't know what to do in these moments, that is their fault

When WWE is doing a safety protocol better than you, take a cold hard look in the mirror

I don't see how this is AEW's fault. They did everything correct, stopped the match for a full minute to assess since it was taped, and told Sammy and Jeff to go home. Sammy did the GTH, which is NOT what that meant, hence why he was punished

I don't see how that in any way is AEW being "dogshit" at handling injuries, they've been much better at it, wasn't on them for Sammy responding the wrong way to ending the match, hence... the punishment.

Perhaps 'dogshit' is an exaggeration, but whoever's fault this actually was, be it Sammy, the ref, Jeff, or the doctor, all of that is still AEW's fault. Sammy especially should have particularly had it drilled into him that if they think someone's concussed, just pin the guy. AEW are the ones who are responsible for the safety of all of these guys, so whoever f***s it up, it is AEW who are the ones who are at fault.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Mar 6, 2024 8:25:57 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

Mar 6, 2024 3:39:16 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

I don't see how this is AEW's fault. They did everything correct, stopped the match for a full minute to assess since it was taped, and told Sammy and Jeff to go home. Sammy did the GTH, which is NOT what that meant, hence why he was punished

I don't see how that in any way is AEW being "dogshit" at handling injuries, they've been much better at it, wasn't on them for Sammy responding the wrong way to ending the match, hence... the punishment.

Perhaps 'dogshit' is an exaggeration, but whoever's fault this actually was, be it Sammy, the ref, Jeff, or the doctor, all of that is still AEW's fault. Sammy especially should have particularly had it drilled into him that if they think someone's concussed, just pin the guy. AEW are the ones who are responsible for the safety of all of these guys, so whoever f***s it up, it is AEW who are the ones who are at fault.

Sammy was rightly punished at the very least for the misfire on what happened. It seems like they are getting stricter when something isn't followed to a protocol.

[kingoftheindies]

I think if nothing else, Sammy has shown that he's kind of dumb in reading the room

[This Player Hating Mothman]

Mar 6, 2024 8:25:57 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

Mar 6, 2024 3:39:16 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

I don't see how this is AEW's fault. They did everything correct, stopped the match for a full minute to assess since it was taped, and told Sammy and Jeff to go home. Sammy did the GTH, which is NOT what that meant, hence why he was punished

I don't see how that in any way is AEW being "dogshit" at handling injuries, they've been much better at it, wasn't on them for Sammy responding the wrong way to ending the match, hence... the punishment.

Perhaps 'dogshit' is an exaggeration, but whoever's fault this actually was, be it Sammy, the ref, Jeff, or the doctor, all of that is still AEW's fault. Sammy especially should have particularly had it drilled into him that if they think someone's concussed, just pin the guy. AEW are the ones who are responsible for the safety of all of these guys, so whoever f***s it up, it is AEW who are the ones who are at fault.

I agree that AEW is responsible for their safety, but judging by the story, the live reactions of the ref during the spot, and everything circumstantial around this, it feels like AEW did drill it into him and others to just go for a quick pin and end it without further risk, and it's his decision to yank Jeff up onto his shoulders for a knee to the face instead of doing the pin that got him that trouble. AEW is responsible for creating a protocol, enforcing it, and educating its roster about it, but if they do all of that and Sammy is still a dipshit who needs to hit his finish, there does come a point where he needs to get the hammer. We just recently saw this protocol in action a few weeks ago with a previously mention Deonna vs. Madison match where Madison worried she injured her shoulder, so Deonna slapped on an ankle lock for a no-risk finish, and she's fresh to the company. She's also like. Good at her job and stuff. But you can put in all the well planned and well taught systems in the world, and at some point it becomes the fault of people who can't or won't listen.

[Cyno]

Mar 6, 2024 5:46:35 GMT -5 Kalmia said:

If they told Sammy to "go home" but didn't really explain that they meant just pin him instead of doing the planned finish/anything else, then that's piss poor communication and is on both Sammy for not realising, and the doctor/ref for not being clearer, IMO.

On the other hand, if the ref and doctor are checking his head and telling you to end the match, it should be common sense to not hit your finisher that involves kneeing someone in the f***ing head.

For what it's worth, I only saw the "go home" said by a poster here and it wasn't anywhere in the actual reporting what the ref or doctor actually said to Sammy.

[markymark]

Pretty much confirms Sammy is an idiot.