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Post by Cyno on Apr 5, 2024 16:57:14 GMT -5
I got major old man thinks the old way of hard work is the only way. Major boomer vibes The sad part is he was in D-Generation X. A lot of Gen X, especially the ones closer to the Boomer dividing line than the Millennial one, have gone full boomer.
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Post by KME on Apr 5, 2024 17:30:57 GMT -5
I feel like most of my family are of the HHH mindset, absolutely obsessed with working long and hard and seem to take some pride in it if they can do it for less money. Truly f***ing bizarre trait and see a lot of people thinking that way now, particularly the more deranged types you see on social media stating people should never be allowed to retire etc.
If you can work less and get paid more for it that's absolutely what you should do, especially if you're someone like Ospreay who works a seriously testing style and who wants to stay living at home meaning he has to do a lot of travelling anyway even on a reduced schedule. Work smart, not hard.
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Post by bearned on Apr 5, 2024 17:44:48 GMT -5
We seem to be talking about AEW targeting WWE talent, so this belongs here. Hunter doesn't seem to be happy that they can't just easily sign whoever they want like they could in the past
‘Come work for us, sure you’ll get paid more and work a lighter schedule in the other place but here, you’ll be busting your ass trying to impress me!’ Not hard to see why they miss out on talent is it?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 5, 2024 17:45:59 GMT -5
I feel like most of my family are of the HHH mindset, absolutely obsessed with working long and hard and seem to take some pride in it if they can do it for less money. Truly f***ing bizarre trait and see a lot of people thinking that way now, particularly the more deranged types you see on social media stating people should never be allowed to retire etc. If you can work less and get paid more for it that's absolutely what you should do, especially if you're someone like Ospreay who works a seriously testing style and who wants to stay living at home meaning he has to do a lot of travelling anyway even on a reduced schedule. Work smart, not hard. Because most of them probably grew up with fathers that called them a "lazy piece of s***" all the time and browbeat them over it. Possibly even hit them. And no, I'm not defending it, more just... fathers like that weren't exactly uncommon until more recently.
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Post by Fade on Apr 5, 2024 17:51:05 GMT -5
We seem to be talking about AEW targeting WWE talent, so this belongs here. Hunter doesn't seem to be happy that they can't just easily sign whoever they want like they could in the past
If any other head of talent relations said this, Ace, JR etc, they’d still be douches but they’d be speaking from what the boss wanted from his talents. HHH saying this? A founding member of the Kliq? A part time talent for the last 10 years before his heart attack took that away? The power emitting from that irony would literally solve the energy crisis. What do you mean by this?
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 5, 2024 17:54:25 GMT -5
HHH's comments makes me think of Nick Wayne and Billie Starkz. Since signing with AEW they've still been able to hustle, grind and those things HHH likes. They've travelled the world and faced all sorts of people in different environments, including each other. Nick has been in the ring with the likes of E&C, Sting, The Great Sasuke, Kenta, MCMG, Ospreay, Shun Skywalker and got to perform at Wembley and Korakuen Hall. Billie has been able to learn from Athena while facing the top Joshi, Mike Bailey, Mao and has main evented Korakuen Hall. Would HHH give them the same oppurtunities? No, they'd be in developmental for years grinding to get a fraction of what they've achieved as teenagers, before even finishing school in some cases. Billie wouldn't be able to learn from wrestling guys. And he knows it, that's why he's trying to build relationships to get his wrestlers similar experiences. At the same time, I think different people use the freedom they have differently. It’s going well in the case of Nick Wayne and Billie. Then you’ve got a case of Anna Jay vs Skye Blue, both with the same freedom but one is still grinding hard on the indies while Anna Jay doesn’t and has really plateaued over the past few years. Pillman Jr is another case where he clearly needed more instruction and less freedom. It’s a case by case thing imo. Different talents need different things, but WWE's system is still specially ill-suited to really give people that. They're throwing fistfuls of spaghetti at the ceiling to find standouts and special talents who would have shone anywhere, but Pillman Jr won't thrive with structure, he'll just be more directed. The performance center isn't going to craft Anna Jay to be any better than she is. AEW leaves it up to people to seek out the experience and develop, but WWE draws lines around you and says "This is your area to grow" and that's your career. Guys come back from Japan changed and better as workers and there's not even the thought in WWE of getting someone reps in Japan. I think freedom vs. structure manifests more creatively than it does in terms of actual talent, because the case for well traveled wrestlers versus vat-grown WWE guys speaks volumes.
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Post by eJm on Apr 5, 2024 17:57:47 GMT -5
If any other head of talent relations said this, Ace, JR etc, they’d still be douches but they’d be speaking from what the boss wanted from his talents. HHH saying this? A founding member of the Kliq? A part time talent for the last 10 years before his heart attack took that away? The power emitting from that irony would literally solve the energy crisis. What do you mean by this? Which part, the Kliq part or being a part timer part? Because the first part involves one of his best friends be Kevin Nash, a guy so known for the “work more for less”, it was his gimmick for part of his TNA run (not going into any of the stuff the Kliq was involved with to prevent themselves from working as much) and the second is him not being a full time guy for most of the 2010s and start of the 20s until his health stopped him from doing so. I mean, if he wanted to, he could have grinded it out like he presumes all talent being signed should, right?
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Post by Fade on Apr 5, 2024 18:02:57 GMT -5
What do you mean by this? Which part, the Kliq part or being a part timer part? Because the first part involves one of his best friends be Kevin Nash, a guy so known for the “work more for less”, it was his gimmick for part of his TNA run (not going into any of the stuff the Kliq was involved with to prevent themselves from working as much) and the second is him not being a full time guy for most of the 2010s and start of the 20s until his health stopped him from doing so. I mean, if he wanted to, he could have grinded it out like he presumes all talent being signed should, right? Yeah, but that’s Nash. He’s not Nash. Also, IIIRC correctly it was Vince’s call to tone down his schedule. And he was older. If the comments he made recently were about Okada or Ospreay or whatever, he specifically said “at that point in their careers” which could be inferred as still young. Right?
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Post by eJm on Apr 5, 2024 18:09:54 GMT -5
If the comments he made recently were about Okada or Ospreay or whatever, he specifically said “at that point in their careers” which could be inferred as still young. Right? And we come to the other part of what makes his point weird. One of the reasons WWF was able to pluck talent from the territories back in the day was because many of those talents were on extravagantly big schedules all over America or all over the state so going to the WWF was the reward for that. You made big money, worked (slightly) less dates, travelled (slightly) less and were able to retire better. Okada, yes, mostly worked in Japan (in between young boy stints in TNA) but saying that potentially about Will Ospreay? A man who has travelled to more countries than most guys even in AEW have and built a name in almost all of them? I mean, if he doesn’t fit the grind mindset to earn a big contract, not sure what the point of any of the work wrestlers do is.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Apr 5, 2024 18:10:52 GMT -5
We seem to be talking about AEW targeting WWE talent, so this belongs here. Hunter doesn't seem to be happy that they can't just easily sign whoever they want like they could in the past
‘Come work for us, sure you’ll get paid more and work a lighter schedule in the other place but here, you’ll be busting your ass trying to impress me!’ Not hard to see why they miss out on talent is it? WWE genuinely uses getting a Wrestlemania moment as a selling point in contract negotiations. Why would someone who has main evented multiple Wrestle Kingdoms care about Wrestlemania as a selling point? Oh you'll be working even more, there'll be more wear and tear on your body even though the workrate is lighter and you'll have to uproot your family and move to f***ing Florida instead of being able to stay home.
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Post by Fade on Apr 5, 2024 18:14:58 GMT -5
If the comments he made recently were about Okada or Ospreay or whatever, he specifically said “at that point in their careers” which could be inferred as still young. Right? And we come to the other part of what makes his point weird. One of the reasons WWF was able to pluck talent from the territories back in the day was because many of those talents were on extravagantly big schedules all over America or all over the state so going to the WWF was the reward for that. You made big money, worked (slightly) less dates, travelled (slightly) less and were able to retire better. Okada, yes, mostly worked in Japan (in between young boy stints in TNA) but saying that potentially about Will Ospreay? A man who has travelled to more countries than most guys even in AEW have and built a name in almost all of them? I mean, if he doesn’t fit the grind mindset to earn a big contract, not sure what the point of any of the work wrestlers do is. That first bit is ironic. Agreed on the second bit. I don’t fault Will or Okada or anyone getting the easier bag with AEW. Especially considering what they’ve accomplished. Not to mention other aspects like travel or schedule. I don’t fault him for expecting this of his current stars under his regime though. Thank you.
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Post by Watch AEW Magnitude on Apr 5, 2024 18:17:56 GMT -5
There’s some kind of cruelty in that the thread about AEW releasing people, including one guy that said he’s dirt poor and is going to need to take on another job, has now become all about the talent AEW can afford and are going to get away from WWE.
It’s not a charity, but god damn.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 5, 2024 18:43:18 GMT -5
HHH's comments makes me think of Nick Wayne and Billie Starkz. Since signing with AEW they've still been able to hustle, grind and those things HHH likes. They've travelled the world and faced all sorts of people in different environments, including each other. Nick has been in the ring with the likes of E&C, Sting, The Great Sasuke, Kenta, MCMG, Ospreay, Shun Skywalker and got to perform at Wembley and Korakuen Hall. Billie has been able to learn from Athena while facing the top Joshi, Mike Bailey, Mao and has main evented Korakuen Hall. Would HHH give them the same oppurtunities? No, they'd be in developmental for years grinding to get a fraction of what they've achieved as teenagers, before even finishing school in some cases. Billie wouldn't be able to learn from wrestling guys. And he knows it, that's why he's trying to build relationships to get his wrestlers similar experiences. As amusing as Nick Wayne and Billie Starkz in NXT would be, I don't think they'd actually develop much compared to what they're doing now both inside and outside the AEW environment. Why do you think that? NXT has been pretty good at churning out good talent, especially those who were already experienced at such a young age
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Post by stoptheclocks on Apr 5, 2024 19:15:02 GMT -5
And you’re trusting an anonymous twitter account LARPing as a twenty-year veteran why exactly? When travel issues have been an issue for AEW in the past and even the account your quoting doesn’t show any proof of Tony Khan’s claim that they no-showed multiple times?
Punk?
And this is from an indy wrestler that knows them
Either way, there's certainly enough doubt there that it was pretty unnecessary for a billionaires son to fire these guys and then trash their reputation on the way out. HHH is (rightfully) getting shit for being grindset grandpa here, but isn't that exactly what this situation is? A company throwing millions and millions at big name talent while expecting lower card guys to drive long distances at short notice with improper communication.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 5, 2024 19:19:14 GMT -5
If the comments he made recently were about Okada or Ospreay or whatever, he specifically said “at that point in their careers” which could be inferred as still young. Right? And we come to the other part of what makes his point weird. One of the reasons WWF was able to pluck talent from the territories back in the day was because many of those talents were on extravagantly big schedules all over America or all over the state so going to the WWF was the reward for that. You made big money, worked (slightly) less dates, travelled (slightly) less and were able to retire better. Okada, yes, mostly worked in Japan (in between young boy stints in TNA) but saying that potentially about Will Ospreay? A man who has travelled to more countries than most guys even in AEW have and built a name in almost all of them? I mean, if he doesn’t fit the grind mindset to earn a big contract, not sure what the point of any of the work wrestlers do is. Triple H certainly has a more North American-based mindset as to when someone has “made it.” So he probably still see Okada and Ospreay as up and coming in that portion of the world (especially Ospreay being so young). So I don’t think it’s ironic or inconsistent. As to the WWF plucking guys from the territories, didn’t mid-80s WWF wrestlers work like 8 shows per week as some points? I doubt they were really reducing their schedules by going to WWF (but they were making more money).
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Post by Dub H on Apr 5, 2024 19:37:49 GMT -5
Punk? And this is from an indy wrestler that knows them Either way, there's certainly enough doubt there that it was pretty unnecessary for a billionaires son to fire these guys and then trash their reputation on the way out. HHH is (rightfully) getting shit for being grindset grandpa here, but isn't that exactly what this situation is? A company throwing millions and millions at big name talent while expecting lower card guys to drive long distances at short notice with improper communication. But the side of the boys ain't great either,instead of following up there is a big time gap where they don't take it to anyone else after not receiving answer and just not appearing instead of saying they ar enot going
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Post by Cyno on Apr 5, 2024 19:41:13 GMT -5
There’s some kind of cruelty in that the thread about AEW releasing people, including one guy that said he’s dirt poor and is going to need to take on another job, has now become all about the talent AEW can afford and are going to get away from WWE. It’s not a charity, but god damn. You make a salient point. Probably best to move that discussion to the general contracts thread.
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Post by jb80 on Apr 5, 2024 19:55:27 GMT -5
Tony should trash talk all released wrestlers
Big Swole: wrestling isn't good enough The boys: they no showed Stu Grayson: is a no good son of a bitch
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Post by ChitownKnight on Apr 5, 2024 20:04:18 GMT -5
We seem to be talking about AEW targeting WWE talent, so this belongs here. Hunter doesn't seem to be happy that they can't just easily sign whoever they want like they could in the past
If any other head of talent relations said this, Ace, JR etc, they’d still be douches but they’d be speaking from what the boss wanted from his talents. HHH saying this? A founding member of the Kliq? A part time talent for the last 10 years before his heart attack took that away? The power emitting from that irony would literally solve the energy crisis. He did say early in their careers to be fair. But I do disagree with that sentiment. Like I’d rather be getting paid 75% of what wwe guys are getting paid if that meant working once a week vs the Hulk Hogan/Ric Flair schedule. But grind culture is what the rich people of the US instilled so they can underpay people and make a profit. But I think Hunter is better than Vince in this regard since Orton was talking about how he valued family time more
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Post by THE FVNKER on Apr 5, 2024 20:08:26 GMT -5
Glaring personality flaw in HHH seems to be that he doesn’t respect his competition. I feel like WWE is quite literally too big to fail right now, but the sheer fact that AEW exists means theirs is a real world chance that they could beat WWE by some metric. I understand how ridiculous that sounds but in any competition/conflict anything can happen.
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