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Post by Mecca on Apr 12, 2024 11:40:57 GMT -5
AEW is the best wrestling promotion in the world with constantly good wrestling and tv shows so its only natural for people to want to slate it and bash it, the hardcore WWEfans are the worst and every week on WWE tv they seem to take a shot at AEW so as good business WWE seems to be doing, i do feel not many in the industry or true wrestling fans respect them at all as much as AEW and mostly you have think it is bots and the blinded WWE supporters doing the criticising. I learned this quite awhile ago and it's something you have to take into account, I personally like AEW's product more because I like high end matches where the guys just go. WWE hasn't been that type of product basically ever, they are way more about moments and spectacle and making their production look like they are "the big leagues' they have conditioned people for basically 40+ years on those things and they got 20 of those with zero competition. There are plenty of people watching wrestling that could give 2 shits about match quality, shit attitude still has the biggest numbers and if you watch that today a ton of it is just complete cringe nonsense.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Apr 12, 2024 13:14:48 GMT -5
Let me just say right now, as someone who watched WCW in 2000, that nothing AEW's done compares to them trying to get fans to take a guy named Hugh G. Rection seriously.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Apr 12, 2024 13:20:59 GMT -5
Anyone who compares this to WCW 2000 either didn't want it or isn't acting in good faith.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Apr 12, 2024 13:54:06 GMT -5
Anti+AEW posts on Twitter are bots, on here its bad faith concern trolling, AEW fans don't have Neilsen boxes, wrestling commentators are all in the pocket of WWE, Jim Cornette fans buy tickets to chant at AEW shows, Dave Meltzer hates AEW.
There may be an element of truth to all of those things, but equally they get used to deflect against genuine criticisms of AEW. Like the fact that there was a hugely negative reaction to what they did on Dynamite was, even after you strip away all of the above, because a lot of people just thought it was stupid and backfired. Sometimes you've just got to accept it and move on.
What's mad is that you have posters on here pulling their hair out over people being mean about AEW, who then do nothing but post negatively about WWE. As has been said, anyone who thinks AEW gets shit on now, clearly hasn't been on any WWE board for long. The problem stems from the fact that those criticisms are self-justified as being correct, so fair game.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Apr 12, 2024 13:57:19 GMT -5
To the people who genuinely don't enjoy negativity in general I have sympathy although I think you'd be hard pressed to avoid it if you want to post online. To the people who are incredibly negative themselves about the shows they don't like then turn around and only call foul when it's about the shows they like I have less/no sympathy.
And I'm not talking about like oh you're complaining about x but you also did y when the two groups doing those things could be completely different people and no one's necessarily being a hypocrite. I'm talking very specifically about the people who openly take part in tribalism and even revel in it then when the target is something they don't want to join in they get angry. Tribalism is okay when I do it but not okay when others do it is the worst. I've saw people literally say like caring about ratings is for losers etc then there's a search function that lets you see previous ratings threads and the exact same person is mocking the numbers and being more obnoxious than the people they talk down to now. I can name 3-4 names who've been openly hostile to me for posting opinions much milder than they've done 1000 times (please don't ask for those names unless it's a mod in a PM).
I don't even think there's anything particularly wrong with trashing a show. After a while I would question why you're still watching tbh but as long as you're not breaking any rules it's fine I guess. It's when someone trashes a show and sees no problem with it then they get pissy about someone doing the same to a show they like I've never understood. If the fans of that show have to deal with you then why can't you deal with those people? Again if they're breaking rules/being rude to others block/report them. If they're not then leave them be which I'm sure you want people to leave you be.
Someone like Bryan Alvarez whining and asking to "move on from negativity" is laughable if you've been part of the IWC longer than 5 minutes. Someone could have trashed a show daily for the past 5 years and they'd still have another 10-15 years to catch up to the length of time he spent relentlessly shitting on WWE and TNA and comparing every other thing he didn't like to 2000 WCW. And the TNA stuff specifically seemed to go beyond simply not liking a TV show. He seemed to genuinely not want it to exist anymore. It was absolute hatred. If you're going to behave like that no one's going to feel bad for you when you suddenly decide you don't like the negativity anymore.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 12, 2024 13:59:20 GMT -5
If people don't like AEW cool, if you have criticism of AEW cool. THere are plenty of people who are critical and aren't getting destroyed for it both on the board and in media/social media.
But it's pretty damn easy to tell when people are just gearing up to fight/hate for fun and that's where things go off the rail.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Apr 12, 2024 14:00:38 GMT -5
But it's pretty damn easy to tell when people are just gearing up to fight/hate for fun and that's where things go off the rail. You don't know what's in my heart!!!
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 12, 2024 14:01:27 GMT -5
But it's pretty damn easy to tell when people are just gearing up to fight/hate for fun and that's where things go off the rail. You don't know what's in my heart!!! YOURE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 12, 2024 14:05:29 GMT -5
Anti+AEW posts on Twitter are bots, on here its bad faith concern trolling, AEW fans don't have Neilsen boxes, wrestling commentators are all in the pocket of WWE, Jim Cornette fans buy tickets to chant at AEW shows, Dave Meltzer hates AEW. There may be an element of truth to all of those things, but equally they get used to deflect against genuine criticisms of AEW. Like the fact that there was a hugely negative reaction to what they did on Dynamite was, even after you strip away all of the above, because a lot of people just thought it was stupid and backfired. Sometimes you've just got to accept it and move on. What's mad is that you have posters on here pulling their hair out over people being mean about AEW, who then do nothing but post negatively about WWE. As has been said, anyone who thinks AEW gets shit on now, clearly hasn't been on any WWE board for long. The problem stems from the fact that those criticisms are self-justified as being correct, so fair game. Punching up is always morally correct.
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Post by Chiral on Apr 12, 2024 14:12:31 GMT -5
If people don't like AEW cool, if you have criticism of AEW cool. THere are plenty of people who are critical and aren't getting destroyed for it both on the board and in media/social media. But it's pretty damn easy to tell when people are just gearing up to fight/hate for fun and that's where things go off the rail. Yeah I feel this. I probably have a huge hypocritical streak being sensitive and defensive now when I've been negative elsewhere especially in the past that I wish I had a better answer to, but genrally there is a difference between having criticisms and the pot stirring/fighting/trolling that does not feel in the spirit of this board that we saw this week.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Apr 12, 2024 14:15:46 GMT -5
Anti+AEW posts on Twitter are bots, on here its bad faith concern trolling, AEW fans don't have Neilsen boxes, wrestling commentators are all in the pocket of WWE, Jim Cornette fans buy tickets to chant at AEW shows, Dave Meltzer hates AEW. There may be an element of truth to all of those things, but equally they get used to deflect against genuine criticisms of AEW. Like the fact that there was a hugely negative reaction to what they did on Dynamite was, even after you strip away all of the above, because a lot of people just thought it was stupid and backfired. Sometimes you've just got to accept it and move on. What's mad is that you have posters on here pulling their hair out over people being mean about AEW, who then do nothing but post negatively about WWE. As has been said, anyone who thinks AEW gets shit on now, clearly hasn't been on any WWE board for long. The problem stems from the fact that those criticisms are self-justified as being correct, so fair game. Punching up is always morally correct. I agree: we should spare no quarter for either million-dollar and billion-dollar companies as well as the millionaires and billionaires who own them.
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Post by cosmo on Apr 12, 2024 14:26:53 GMT -5
Punching up is always morally correct. I agree: we should spare no quarter for either million-dollar and billion-dollar companies as well as the millionaires and billionaires who own them.
Yeah, a lot of people seem to overlook that there's a argument to be made for part of AEW's existence being due to the Bullet Club having a friend that's a billionaire money mark.
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Post by hyperstorm on Apr 12, 2024 14:26:58 GMT -5
Anti+AEW posts on Twitter are bots, on here its bad faith concern trolling, AEW fans don't have Neilsen boxes, wrestling commentators are all in the pocket of WWE, Jim Cornette fans buy tickets to chant at AEW shows, Dave Meltzer hates AEW. There may be an element of truth to all of those things, but equally they get used to deflect against genuine criticisms of AEW. Like the fact that there was a hugely negative reaction to what they did on Dynamite was, even after you strip away all of the above, because a lot of people just thought it was stupid and backfired. Sometimes you've just got to accept it and move on. What's mad is that you have posters on here pulling their hair out over people being mean about AEW, who then do nothing but post negatively about WWE. As has been said, anyone who thinks AEW gets shit on now, clearly hasn't been on any WWE board for long. The problem stems from the fact that those criticisms are self-justified as being correct, so fair game. Punching up is always morally correct. Insulting a company owned by a billionaire is never punching down.
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Post by Mecca on Apr 12, 2024 14:28:01 GMT -5
Anti+AEW posts on Twitter are bots, on here its bad faith concern trolling, AEW fans don't have Neilsen boxes, wrestling commentators are all in the pocket of WWE, Jim Cornette fans buy tickets to chant at AEW shows, Dave Meltzer hates AEW. There may be an element of truth to all of those things, but equally they get used to deflect against genuine criticisms of AEW. Like the fact that there was a hugely negative reaction to what they did on Dynamite was, even after you strip away all of the above, because a lot of people just thought it was stupid and backfired. Sometimes you've just got to accept it and move on. What's mad is that you have posters on here pulling their hair out over people being mean about AEW, who then do nothing but post negatively about WWE. As has been said, anyone who thinks AEW gets shit on now, clearly hasn't been on any WWE board for long. The problem stems from the fact that those criticisms are self-justified as being correct, so fair game. I'm personally not sure what the people, specifically on twitter, reddit etc get out of defending the market leader and pining for companies to go out of business, get out of doing that. To me that is just ridiculous behavior it's like what is the gain there?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 12, 2024 14:28:43 GMT -5
Punching up is always morally correct. Insulting a company owned by a billionaire is never punching down. Attacking AEW on behalf of WWE is absolutely punching down. WWE has the bigger TV deal, the bigger streaming deal, and a 65+ year head start.
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Post by Mecca on Apr 12, 2024 14:29:24 GMT -5
I agree: we should spare no quarter for either million-dollar and billion-dollar companies as well as the millionaires and billionaires who own them. Yeah, a lot of people seem to overlook that there's a argument to be made for part of AEW's existence being due to the Bullet Club having a friend that's a billionaire money mark.
We live in a world where basically anyone that owns a large company is a billionaire pile of garbage, that is a political debate though and if I were to express how I feel about that, it wouldn't end very well and I would also have to literally swear off all of my hobbies to get some joy out of the world so hey.
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Post by Mecca on Apr 12, 2024 14:34:13 GMT -5
Insulting a company owned by a billionaire is never punching down. Attacking AEW on behalf of WWE is absolutely punching down. WWE has the bigger TV deal, the bigger streaming deal, and a 65+ year head start. My thing is, I don't even get why people do that. Like if you don't like AEW that's cool don't watch it then, WWE doesn't do it for me and I rarely watch it, I also don't sit around pining for it go out of business either. I mean I selfishly wanted Ospreay and Okada to sign with AEW for the matches I'd get to see them have there but if they chose WWE then hey that's their call it's their career and life. I guess at the end I don't understand why we have a section of people that exist that want there to be a wrestling monopoly are they dumb?
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Post by hyperstorm on Apr 12, 2024 14:34:23 GMT -5
Insulting a company owned by a billionaire is never punching down. Attacking AEW on behalf of WWE is absolutely punching down. WWE has the bigger TV deal, the bigger streaming deal, and a 65+ year head start. It’s no more punching down than someone saying “Pepsi sucks, Coke is better” is punching down because Coke has a bigger market share.
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Post by Mecca on Apr 12, 2024 14:36:28 GMT -5
Attacking AEW on behalf of WWE is absolutely punching down. WWE has the bigger TV deal, the bigger streaming deal, and a 65+ year head start. It’s no more punching down than someone saying “Pepsi sucks, Coke is better” is punching down because Coke has a bigger market share. Anyone who stans for big companies is a f***ing weirdo to begin with.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Apr 12, 2024 14:51:22 GMT -5
Insulting a company owned by a billionaire is never punching down. Attacking AEW on behalf of WWE is absolutely punching down. WWE has the bigger TV deal, the bigger streaming deal, and a 65+ year head start. When people talk about the concept of punching up or punching down, or what is morally right or wrong behaviour, the idea that it has anything to do with two wrestling TV shows owned by billionaires is ridiculous.
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