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Post by The Lach is very tired on Aug 8, 2007 0:48:24 GMT -5
Both guys cop a lot of crap for being bad for their respective sports but who is worse? I personally voted for Bettman.
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Post by Insomniac on Aug 8, 2007 0:49:24 GMT -5
Bettman, by far.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Aug 8, 2007 1:05:11 GMT -5
ooooooooh Thats a toughy.
They're both Spineless.
The worst job in pro sports is working for the Devil Rays, So Selig is the worst.
Plus He could have been honest all of these years. He's a scumbag
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Post by Voldemar H. "Brak" Guerta on Aug 8, 2007 1:16:41 GMT -5
Selig gets a lot of un-fair criticism. There are valid arguments against him, but the majority of Selig haters can't make a negative claim against the guy without resorting to childish insults and other crap devoid of intelligence. Bettman, on the other hand, deserves any and all criticism. Holy lord, has he done a terrible job.  |
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Post by The Lach is very tired on Aug 8, 2007 2:20:53 GMT -5
Yeah so far this poll has gone how I suspected it would. I have never heard a hockey fan have anything nice to say about Bettman at all.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 8, 2007 8:31:40 GMT -5
Bettman, no contest. While Selig did turn a blind eye towards steroids, and while he did go through with the total merging of the AL and NL, including shared umpires and things like that (I HATE that), he also created the Wild Card, and has helped bring baseball into an era where it's been more popular around the country than ever. Bettman, on the other hand, is an incompetent twit who wouldn't know how to promote his sport if his sport was riding dinosaurs with lasers attached to their heads. ...And yes, I AM referencing Dino-Riders.  |
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Post by gsguy on Aug 8, 2007 8:34:03 GMT -5
Bettman makes Selig look like a saint.
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Post by Big BosskMan on Aug 8, 2007 8:36:23 GMT -5
Selig.
He carries himself with all the composure of a high school science teacher who has just been horsecollared on "To Catch a Predator" by Chris Hansen.
He's slime.
Bettman is inept but not as oily as Selig.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Aug 8, 2007 9:00:20 GMT -5
 This is a sign of how much Bettman caused the NHL to fall. In 94 as much as I hate the Rangers they bought the NHL's highest popularity. What does he do the next season to ride the momentum? He locks the players out. I don't care what the hell you're fighting about its in the best interest of the games health to play that season. Considering baseball had a strike the year before the public was sour on labor conflicts like this and also considering how low MLB was at the time they could have sneaked into 2nd place in America. But no he went on to expanded the league too far and piss off fans. |
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Post by Mr. Mediocre on Aug 8, 2007 9:01:47 GMT -5
Selig may suck, but at least he runs his league more or less properly.
So yeah...I voted Bettman.
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Post by The Lach is very tired on Aug 8, 2007 9:16:16 GMT -5
I think i would be fairly easy to fix the NHL. Move 1 team to Hamilton (Nashville) & another to Winnipeg (San Jose? Florida? Atlanta?) That is a step in the right direction.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Aug 8, 2007 9:22:04 GMT -5
I think i would be fairly easy to fix the NHL. Move 1 team to Hamilton (Nashville) & another to Winnipeg (San Jose? Florida? Atlanta?) That is a step in the right direction. you think it would but he refuses to |
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 8, 2007 10:21:38 GMT -5
Bettman's big problem is that he has ZERO idea how to promote the sport.
I mean, really, look at the playoff brackets from this past year. Unlike in the NBA, just about every team, East and West, DESERVED to be there. They played good, solid hockey, for the most part, and had solid point totals going into the end of the regular season.
Plus, it's a sport that's fast, hard hitting, and has the potential to be very dynamic; something you'd think all Americans would be into, right?
So, naturally, it's on Versus, away from the public eye, and half-assing things concerning violence or what have you by instituting a lot of game-slowing, pointless rules. Bettman, go away!
EDIT: Although I will point out another one of Selig's sins: having Frank Robinson put in the insanely stiff penalties for anything even resembling violence. It used to be that, if you showboated, if you showed up the other team, or if you flat-out did something wrong, you'd get hit in the back, end of the issue. Or, if you hit a hitter on the other team, you'd go up and take a hit; again, issue resolved.
But noooooo! For once, I actually agreed with Roger Clemens (as hard as that is for me to admit) when he told off that umpire for ejecting him after he threw a retaliation pitch. The Blue Jays had their shot at retaliation the day before and blew it, they should've let it die.
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Post by rra on Aug 8, 2007 11:45:09 GMT -5
Every other day, I would say BETTMAN if because he had NHL setting itself up for its glory days, and guess what?
He's also overseen the one labor strike that nearly killed the NHL.
And yet, I'm peeved at Selig at the moment for comparing his recent trips in having to see Giants games as "a Herculean Effort." What a douchebag thing to say.
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Post by FantasyAuthor87 on Aug 8, 2007 11:45:42 GMT -5
As much pandering as Selig does to both the players and the owners, trying to keep both happy while ruining the overall competitiveness of baseball for all teams...
Bettman is just plain and simply the worst league commissioner... perhaps ever. He finds ways to alienate the core fans of the sport, all in the name of trying to gain the casual fan. It's a nice theory and all, but the NHL needs to accept the fact that they are, and probably always will be, a niche sport. The NHL will never reach the popularity level of MLB. They have no shot of even coming close to the NFL. And the NBA is smart enough to at least keep their hardcore fans happy while they still find ways to promote the sport to the casual hoops fan.
More often than not, the NHL finds ways to cut off its own nose despite its face. They come back from a horrible labor situation with a salary cap and financial situation that finally puts all teams at an even keel. So far, so good.
The NHL alters the rules a bit to make the play more exciting and offensive oriented. (As a hardcore old-school style fan, I don't agree with all of the changes, especially the 4-on-4 OT and the God-awful shootouts, but I've come to terms with it... mostly.) So with a new and better product on the ice, they find a way to lose their main connection to sports fans... ESPN. Yes, it was a two-way street and ESPN was trying to lowball them, but to lock in with Versus for an extended period of time? Eh... I know they wanted and needed a national deal, but sometimes you take the short term hit for the long term gain. Not the other way around.
Lastly, expansion... expansion... expansion. Too much, too fast, to too many places that were NOT hockey hotbeds. Yes, it diluted the talent a bit, but expanding to cities with more hockey history and support would have been a much smarter move, in my opinion, than gambling on the "Southern Expansion" as it has become known.
Just my two cents on the horrible job of Mr. Bettman and company.
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Post by The Lach is very tired on Aug 8, 2007 11:48:02 GMT -5
This is a sign of how much Bettman caused the NHL to fall. In 94 as much as I hate the Rangers they bought the NHL's highest popularity. What does he do the next season to ride the momentum? He locks the players out. I don't care what the hell you're fighting about its in the best interest of the games health to play that season. Considering baseball had a strike the year before the public was sour on labor conflicts like this and also considering how low MLB was at the time they could have sneaked into 2nd place in America. But no he went on to expanded the league too far and piss off fans. Mike Richter FTW that is all |
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Post by rra on Aug 8, 2007 11:51:41 GMT -5
As much pandering as Selig does to both the players and the owners, trying to keep both happy while ruining the overall competitiveness of baseball for all teams... Bettman is just plain and simply the worst league commissioner... perhaps ever. He finds ways to alienate the core fans of the sport, all in the name of trying to gain the casual fan. It's a nice theory and all, but the NHL needs to accept the fact that they are, and probably always will be, a niche sport. The NHL will never reach the popularity level of MLB. They have no shot of even coming close to the NFL. And the NBA is smart enough to at least keep their hardcore fans happy while they still find ways to promote the sport to the casual hoops fan. More often than not, the NHL finds ways to cut off its own nose despite its face. They come back from a horrible labor situation with a salary cap and financial situation that finally puts all teams at an even keel. So far, so good. The NHL alters the rules a bit to make the play more exciting and offensive oriented. (As a hardcore old-school style fan, I don't agree with all of the changes, especially the 4-on-4 OT and the God-awful shootouts, but I've come to terms with it... mostly.) So with a new and better product on the ice, they find a way to lose their main connection to sports fans... ESPN. Yes, it was a two-way street and ESPN was trying to lowball them, but to lock in with Versus for an extended period of time? Eh... I know they wanted and needed a national deal, but sometimes you take the short term hit for the long term gain. Not the other way around. Lastly, expansion... expansion... expansion. Too much, too fast, to too many places that were NOT hockey hotbeds. Yes, it diluted the talent a bit, but expanding to cities with more hockey history and support would have been a much smarter move, in my opinion, than gambling on the "Southern Expansion" as it has become known. Just my two cents on the horrible job of Mr. Bettman and company. I would have to say Nashville has worked out. But Columbus and Atlanta? Ehhh..... The only expansion that truly WORKED was the only LOGICAL one: Minnesota Now if some of those franchises that aren't cutting it are moved to Canada, the NHL would re-vitalize Canada's sport in Canada itself. Or maybe its just me who wants to see the Jets and Nordiques* back? *=Both teams had, unless I'm mistaken, mostly losing records, but the Nordiques had such easy heel-heat, coming from the one province that the rest of Canada despises, and well, you know Americans regarding the French... Plus, unlike the Montreal Canadians, the Nordiques didn't have the history of dominance or excellence or other such things that deserve serious respect. |
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Post by The Lach is very tired on Aug 8, 2007 11:55:18 GMT -5
As much pandering as Selig does to both the players and the owners, trying to keep both happy while ruining the overall competitiveness of baseball for all teams... Bettman is just plain and simply the worst league commissioner... perhaps ever. He finds ways to alienate the core fans of the sport, all in the name of trying to gain the casual fan. It's a nice theory and all, but the NHL needs to accept the fact that they are, and probably always will be, a niche sport. The NHL will never reach the popularity level of MLB. They have no shot of even coming close to the NFL. And the NBA is smart enough to at least keep their hardcore fans happy while they still find ways to promote the sport to the casual hoops fan. More often than not, the NHL finds ways to cut off its own nose despite its face. They come back from a horrible labor situation with a salary cap and financial situation that finally puts all teams at an even keel. So far, so good. The NHL alters the rules a bit to make the play more exciting and offensive oriented. (As a hardcore old-school style fan, I don't agree with all of the changes, especially the 4-on-4 OT and the God-awful shootouts, but I've come to terms with it... mostly.) So with a new and better product on the ice, they find a way to lose their main connection to sports fans... ESPN. Yes, it was a two-way street and ESPN was trying to lowball them, but to lock in with Versus for an extended period of time? Eh... I know they wanted and needed a national deal, but sometimes you take the short term hit for the long term gain. Not the other way around. Lastly, expansion... expansion... expansion. Too much, too fast, to too many places that were NOT hockey hotbeds. Yes, it diluted the talent a bit, but expanding to cities with more hockey history and support would have been a much smarter move, in my opinion, than gambling on the "Southern Expansion" as it has become known. Just my two cents on the horrible job of Mr. Bettman and company. I would have to say Nashville has worked out. But Columbus and Atlanta? Ehhh..... The only expansion that truly WORKED was the only LOGICAL one: Minnesota Now if some of those franchises that aren't cutting it are moved to Canada, the NHL would re-vitalize Canada's sport in Canada itself. Or maybe its just me who wants to see the Jets and Nordiques* back? *=Both teams had, unless I'm mistaken, mostly losing records, but the Nordiques had such easy heel-heat, coming from the one province that the rest of Canada despises, and well, you know Americans regarding the French... Plus, unlike the Montreal Canadians, the Nordiques didn't have the history of dominance or excellence or other such things that deserve serious respect. It's all but confirmed that NAshville are going to Hamilton. The current mayor of Winnipeg won an election on a promise that he would bring th NHL back to the city thats why I think Winnipeg should get a franchise |
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Post by Grendel on Aug 8, 2007 11:59:44 GMT -5
Personally, I voted Selig because I have a lot of Selig Hate from his time as the Brewers owner.  |
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Post by rra on Aug 8, 2007 12:01:11 GMT -5
But what about the Predator owners?
Anyway, some of "The Southern Expansion" has worked.
Carolina, Tampa Bay, San Jose, Anaheim, Nashville(well, until they apparently move), Dallas, Florida Panthers (early years)
What didn't work: Columbus*, Atlanta.
*=I know, its in Ohio but bear with me for argument's sake.
You know, I am thankful that Houston millionaire didn't get his filthy hands on the Edmonton Oilers and moved them to Smog City. I'm sure Canada would have gone to war with us if we had tried.
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