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Post by eJm on Nov 10, 2007 17:19:07 GMT -5
As some of you might know, Heather Mills is going on a media crusade against Journalists because of how she's been treated by the newspapers during her now soon to be ex marriage with Paul McCartney. More here because I can't be bothered to write everything she said www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/oct/31/pressandpublishing.television?gusrc=rss&feed=mediaInclude the recent fiasco with the editing of Cena's interview for CNN, and it's not a great time to be doing a Journalism degree (which is what I'm doing ) So, do you think it's all down to the Journalists? Do you agree with Heather Mills? Do you think it's more to do with the people running the companies rather then who is working there? Dunno really what to say about it. I'll see what comes in first, then I'll put my opinion in.
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Post by Stu on Nov 10, 2007 17:26:05 GMT -5
Please, folks. Don't categorize us newspaper reporters in the same groups as broadcasters. We are totally different from each other.
That said, what are your general thoughts on print media? Because I really want to know.
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Post by Rube on Nov 10, 2007 17:30:06 GMT -5
People who report on crap like Heather Mills aren't journalists.
Real journalists are pussies(for reasons that would violate the no politics rule) and don't get enough of a hard time.
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Post by krill on Nov 10, 2007 17:30:11 GMT -5
Well I think the treatment Heather Mills has had is appauling. The tabloid press piss me off so much, I havnt read a newspaper in about 5 years. But I dont put all the blame on reportes, some of the blame has to go to the gullable people who set themselfs up for the inevitable backstab.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Nov 10, 2007 17:32:18 GMT -5
I think the gossip journalists give us a bad name. I don't think tabloid journalists or those that write for the likes of OK! and Heat even count as journalists.
One the one hand, Macca and Mills was something that needed coverage. But the press is always the same. Pick someone as the bad guy and run it into the ground. Although admittedly Mills' ranting on TV didn't help her much.
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Nov 10, 2007 17:33:27 GMT -5
I`m a freelance journalist, mostly sport based, and I think it`s difficult to discern. Some guys are good, honest and hardworking (I like to think of myself that way anyway), and get tarred unfairly with the same brush as the tabloid muckrakers who lack an interest in the real news.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Nov 10, 2007 17:34:48 GMT -5
Yup. I'm a music journo. We get a bit of a bad time sometimes as well. I think someone described us as leeches?
I'm sorry, but actually we're just big music fans who love it enough to write about it.
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Post by krill on Nov 10, 2007 17:36:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I have no doubt that there are as many very good honest journalists as there are front bums. As far as tarring with the same brush goes, I guess it just goes with the territory.
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Post by Stu on Nov 10, 2007 17:38:30 GMT -5
Some people don't accept the fact we need to try to get all sides of the story. Here are a couple incidents that happened to me:
- Last week I got a call from some guy saying he was being discriminated against at a local hospital. I listened to his story and told him I'd look into it, first by getting the hospital side of things to see if anything could be substanciated. He took exception to that and asked why I had to call them at all. He didn't want to get in trouble and was hoping I would write an article based on his words only. I don't think so.
- A few years ago at another paper I worked at, there was some issue regarding the local hockey league not participating in the regional olympic games, which had people upset about the revenue shortage from a lack of tourists. I called the hockey director and left a message to call me. He got the message but assumed I wanted to talk about a totally different subject my other coworker talked to him about, so he ignored me. I went on to write the article and say the hockey director could not be reached for comment. Of course, this totally pissed him off, regardless of the fact he's the one who ignored me to begin with.
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 10, 2007 17:39:41 GMT -5
There are too many potential types of journalists to stereotype them all into one category.
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Post by Stu on Nov 10, 2007 17:40:43 GMT -5
Another thing that bugs me is sometimes we may "make the same mistakes" as TV reporters, but we hear more complaints because people are more likely to miss the 30-second report that was on TV at 11 p.m., whereas a newspaper is lying on a coffee table all day for people to read.
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Post by eJm on Nov 10, 2007 18:03:02 GMT -5
Didn't realise there was so many Journalists here on the 'Crap. Anyway, to answer Stu's question, I've only really started learning about Print now because we're having tasters until mid December of all the different styles of Journalism. I think the main problem I have is that all try to take different angles about a story. I mean, it's great to aim for an audience and I'm all for that, it's just you don't get the true story if you leave something out and keep other unimportant things in. Like there was an article about the Head Of Police saying that more Black people should be rushed in the Police Force. The Sun was discussing about where the quote was coming from, and The Mirror was going on about how David Blunkett was for it. WTF does that have to do with anything?! Edit: And I'm sorry this topic was Half Assed. I didn't really know what to write for it, despite my curiousity
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Nov 10, 2007 18:06:23 GMT -5
Hell, my only personal experience with journalism is writing for my school's newspaper, and we alone get a hard enough time. I mean, it is hard to make a lot of meaningful stories, especially when the real stories teens need to read we can't do("too controversial").
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Nov 10, 2007 18:08:42 GMT -5
I hate journalists. Especially ones who like the Simpsons and go by Stu at certain places.
Seriously though, I imagine there are good and bad journalists (as far as who they are as people, not skill) just like there is good and bad people from every walk of life.
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Post by krill on Nov 10, 2007 18:09:14 GMT -5
Well, thats the thing, it's meant to be news, not a story or a mixture of both. Thats what pissies me off about the tabloids, even when their are genuinely reporting the truth, they always give their opinion on it, and quite frankly I couldnt give a damn what they think about it.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Nov 10, 2007 18:14:07 GMT -5
Opinion polls are the best. I always liked something like '92% of people agree that the government was wrong in this case!'
Er, sorry guys, what you ACTUALLY mean is that '92% of the right-wing crackpots who read our newspaper agree that the government was wrong in this case! And that's mostly because we told them so!'
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Post by Stu on Nov 10, 2007 18:21:11 GMT -5
I hate it when people try to use us as their problem solvers or to promote themselves.
And if we can't help them, they blame us for all the woes in their lives.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Nov 10, 2007 18:34:49 GMT -5
I hate it when people try to use us as their problem solvers or to promote themselves. And if we can't help them, they blame us for all the woes in their lives. By the way Stu, I'm going to be needing that $50 my friend owes me. It's all your fault! People do act dumb though man. Something simular for me is people yelling at me, and threatning me, because they turn their movies in like 2 months late.
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Post by Square on Nov 10, 2007 19:20:44 GMT -5
I want to become a journalist, or a prestenter, and the thing I noticed is that reading the Sun at home its more "POLES ARE TAKING OUR JOBS, VLADAMIER WILL STEAL YOUR IMPORTANT JOB WHICH YOU DONT DO WELL AND DONT CARE ABOUT" while the Gaurdians is "Poles filling empty job; unepmloyed annoyed"
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Nov 10, 2007 19:21:54 GMT -5
There's a smokin' hot Pole where I work. If our government is okay with jobs being filled with hot polish blondes with tight butts, I'm okay with it too!
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