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Post by willywonka666 on May 23, 2007 15:37:09 GMT -5
I have a Francine compilation tape and of course Shane Douglas makes a lot of appearances and talks about various individuals, including a pretty disparaging remark about Magnum T.A.  Were his interviews pretty credible considering he wasn't around some of the people he was talking about? Or was he just being a heel and talking shit? |
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Post by bobolebowski on May 23, 2007 16:55:27 GMT -5
my guess is he was just trying to be a heel, how could you not like Magnum TA?
but Shawn Michaels even said in his book that Shane Douglas wasnt the greatest promo man, he just was allowed to cuss and all that in ECW, and basically that cursing was Douglas' claim to fame. Without cussing the Franchise is nothing.
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Post by JMA on May 23, 2007 17:06:32 GMT -5
I wouldn't take anything Shawn said in his book seriously. He's the king of BSing.
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Post by Ace Diamond on May 23, 2007 21:19:30 GMT -5
I wouldn't take anything Shawn said in his book seriously. He's the king of BSing. I dunno, he has a point here. |
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on May 23, 2007 21:30:02 GMT -5
I wouldn't take anything Shawn said in his book seriously. He's the king of BSing. I dunno, he has a point here. I agree also, normall I wouldn't take what he says seriously, but it seems that's all Shane could do is curse repeatedly during a promo and people think it's great. |
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Post by American Nightmare on May 23, 2007 21:38:20 GMT -5
shanes face stuff in WCW was very good, i mean, good for the era of a clean babyface. If you look past the cursing (which ill admit is hard) you can see the guy has lots of charisma.
And id never believe a thing Shawn says about Douglas. They hate eachother, why would he say anything nice?
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on May 23, 2007 21:42:05 GMT -5
shanes face stuff in WCW was very good, i mean, good for the era of a clean babyface. If you look past the cursing (which ill admit is hard) you can see the guy has lots of charisma. And id never believe a thing Shawn says about Douglas. They hate eachother, why would he say anything nice? I agree, I liked his tag team with Ricky Steamboat and they had a lot of great matches with Pillman/Austin in early 1993. But it's not like Shawn is saying something that's farfetched in this case, pretty much most of Shane's interviews have to be bleeped out as he goes off on cursing quite a lot. Trust me, I'm no fan of HBK either, but in this case he's not that far off. |
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on May 23, 2007 22:58:34 GMT -5
Shane isn't really a great promo guy. I feel like he would be one of the greats if he didn't use all the cursing. I mean, it's one thing to use curse words to amplify a feeling, and then there's using curses like you just learned them as a 10 year old. Douglas fits into the latter.
I'm not saying cursing shouldn't be done in wrestling, but Douglas uses it so much it takes away from whatever he has to say and it becomes more of a "why is he so immature all he can do is curse" kind of thing. Give me guys who can use words to manipulate feelings instead of guys who think the good idea of an "intense hatred promo" is "Sabu, you ain't shit!".
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Post by invaderdave on May 23, 2007 23:01:11 GMT -5
There's a couple of ECW Promo Fictions where he's featured that are pretty good. I don't know a whole lot about cursing 'n such, buteven without cursing, I think the Franchise would have obviously worked better than DEAN F'ING DOUGLAS.
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on May 23, 2007 23:20:45 GMT -5
I should go on record and say that I hated Promo Fiction.
Not so much that its 6 minutes of time for the entire roster, but the constant loop of Miserlou and the way they try to emulate Pulp Fiction annoys me. Yeah, it's a cool movie and all, but the way it came off was lame.
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Post by JMA on May 23, 2007 23:35:57 GMT -5
I wouldn't take anything Shawn said in his book seriously. He's the king of BSing. I dunno, he has a point here. I disagree. Incidentally, how do you objectively tell which wrestlers are good on the mic and which aren't? Sure, it's easy to tell if someone is REALLY bad on the mic, but it's not as clear-cut when you're talking about good mic workers (unless, going back to an extreme, they're great on the mic). I've never felt that Shawn's face promos were that good, for example. I think he can cut a great HEEL promo, but as a face his promos seem disingenuous. Other people probably think he's good at cutting face promos. The most famous Douglas promo (the one after he won the NWA World title) was great and not because of the cussing. It was great because fans felt the meaning behind it. In my opinion, that's what the good talkers can do--they can make you feel. |
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Post by Ace Diamond on May 24, 2007 1:08:45 GMT -5
I dunno, he has a point here. I disagree. Incidentally, how do you objectively tell which wrestlers are good on the mic and which aren't? Sure, it's easy to tell if someone is REALLY bad on the mic, but it's not as clear-cut when you're talking about good mic workers (unless, going back to an extreme, they're great on the mic). I've never felt that Shawn's face promos were that good, for example. I think he can cut a great HEEL promo, but as a face his promos seem disingenuous. Other people probably think he's good at cutting face promos. The most famous Douglas promo (the one after he won the NWA World title) was great and not because of the cussing. It was great because fans felt the meaning behind it. In my opinion, that's what the good talkers can do--they can make you feel. You are right about that specific promo, yes. But when you look at some of the promos he did in TNA as the coach of The Naturals there just wasn't a lot there. That's just me talking though |
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Post by Virt McGirt on May 24, 2007 11:05:55 GMT -5
Shane isn't really a great promo guy. I feel like he would be one of the greats if he didn't use all the cursing. I mean, it's one thing to use curse words to amplify a feeling, and then there's using curses like you just learned them as a 10 year old. Douglas fits into the latter. I'm not saying cursing shouldn't be done in wrestling, but Douglas uses it so much it takes away from whatever he has to say and it becomes more of a "why is he so immature all he can do is curse" kind of thing. Give me guys who can use words to manipulate feelings instead of guys who think the good idea of an "intense hatred promo" is "Sabu, you ain't crap!". So, is "obligatory" a curse word? |
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Post by stevierichardsfan on May 24, 2007 11:31:59 GMT -5
what did shane say about magnum t.a. iv heard he said somthing but dont know what it was
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Post by willywonka666 on May 24, 2007 11:53:07 GMT -5
what did shane say about magnum t.a. iv heard he said somthing but dont know what it was he said something about Magnum T.A. blowing guys in the lockerroom, in so many words, and I'm not sure why he even brought up the name because he obviously was never involved in anything with Magnum, it juts sounded like he heard a rumor and couldn't wait to tell everybody |
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on May 24, 2007 13:26:47 GMT -5
See -- it's stuff like that I hate. It makes the person seem so low-brow and stupid. Any jerkoff can curse a lot, but it takes a talented person to portray feelings.
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Post by bobolebowski on May 24, 2007 13:32:38 GMT -5
Well I will agree that Shane Douglas did deliever a killer promo when he threw down the NWA Title. That was one cool deal there. But I just feel like hes not THAT great of a promo guy. He went to ROH the weekend of One Night Stand and talked about how the show was gonna suck and all he did was curse and yell and got a course of Boos because of it, and was Booed Out of the building.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on May 24, 2007 13:34:36 GMT -5
Well I will agree that Shane Douglas did deliever a killer promo when he threw down the NWA Title. That was one cool deal there. But I just feel like hes not THAT great of a promo guy. He went to ROH the weekend of One Night Stand and talked about how the show was gonna suck and all he did was curse and yell and got a course of Boos because of it, and was Booed Out of the building. I remember that, I was there live for it and Shane came across as a jerk on the promo, I think he was trying to put over ROH, but once the crowd got on him, he deviated from that. He ended up coming back later after the Joe/Nigel match, but nobody cared. |
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Post by willywonka666 on May 24, 2007 13:37:10 GMT -5
What's he up to nowadays? i heard he went into rehab but that's been months ago
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Post by sexualvanilla on May 24, 2007 14:09:42 GMT -5
Shawn's claim was that all he ever did was curse and try to run down the legends and didn't have much else to say besides that. Flair offers his opinion of Douglas in his book, saying that all Douglas would do is whine and blame everyone else for his lack of success, saying that if he was truly great, he would've risen above all that and succeeded. I agree with them and have always thought Shane's work has been horribly overrated
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