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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on May 7, 2007 0:16:04 GMT -5
Can't wait until Cena breaks Bruno's record.
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Post by Xander Xplosion on May 7, 2007 0:18:44 GMT -5
Undertaker at 17 and 20 respectively....disgusting for a man of his talents....and with that bicep and hip issue.....that isn't changing anytime soon....
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Post by HRH The KING on May 7, 2007 0:20:34 GMT -5
Can't wait until Cena breaks Bruno's record. Heh heh heh ;D
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on May 7, 2007 0:21:15 GMT -5
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Post by The Peoples Elbow on May 7, 2007 12:05:41 GMT -5
Watch and see if Cena doesn't surpass Sammartino, lol. I would really hate it if I wound up being right.
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Post by Big Daddy B on May 7, 2007 12:14:40 GMT -5
Someone hurry and edit Bruno's record so Vince doesn't see it any try to surpass it with Cena's.
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on May 7, 2007 12:25:07 GMT -5
That would be funny if Shawn took the title from Cena after NINE days, preventing him from beating Bret's record. That way Shawn could screw Cena too. You sir, are good sirAnd you maam are QUACK!
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Post by stevierichardsfan on May 7, 2007 15:50:33 GMT -5
cena sucks
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Post by Swarm on May 9, 2007 12:50:16 GMT -5
It's funny I was searching crap on Wikipedia and came across this article on there. It has the length of days that WWE Champions have held the belt. It's hilarious, John Cena has the 6th longest time with the belt with 644 days and is only ten away from Bret Hart. Truely sad. anyway if you want to see the list here it is. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_top_WWE_Champions_by_combined_lengthI don't get this. Why is it sad? John Cena is the greatest wrestler on the planet right now and just headlined the biggest grossing WM EVER. Ever. Cena is way better than Bret Hart.
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Post by Arturo Classico on May 9, 2007 12:55:20 GMT -5
It's funny I was searching crap on Wikipedia and came across this article on there. It has the length of days that WWE Champions have held the belt. It's hilarious, John Cena has the 6th longest time with the belt with 644 days and is only ten away from Bret Hart. Truely sad. anyway if you want to see the list here it is. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_top_WWE_Champions_by_combined_lengthI don't get this. Why is it sad? John Cena is the greatest wrestler on the planet right now and just headlined the biggest grossing WM EVER. Ever. Cena is way better than Bret Hart. Maybe in bizarro world where being better is actually being worse. Than yes Cena is Better than Hart.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on May 9, 2007 12:55:46 GMT -5
It's funny I was searching crap on Wikipedia and came across this article on there. It has the length of days that WWE Champions have held the belt. It's hilarious, John Cena has the 6th longest time with the belt with 644 days and is only ten away from Bret Hart. Truely sad. anyway if you want to see the list here it is. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_top_WWE_Champions_by_combined_lengthI don't get this. Why is it sad? John Cena is the greatest wrestler on the planet right now and just headlined the biggest grossing WM EVER. Ever. Cena is way better than Bret Hart. I'll give you he headlined WM, but there is no way he is the greatest wrestler right now. Biggest push yes, greatest wresler no. And Cena will never be better than Bret. Yes Bret had a 5 moves of doom sequence, but he still was a better wrestler than Cena, IMO.
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Post by Ferrets? on May 9, 2007 13:04:30 GMT -5
I don't get this. Why is it sad? John Cena is the greatest wrestler on the planet right now and just headlined the biggest grossing WM EVER. Ever. Cena is way better than Bret Hart. Maybe in bizarro world where being better is actually being worse. Than yes Cena is Better than Hart. Well, I think we can all agree that John Cena is way more huggable than Bret Hart. ;D
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Post by Swarm on May 9, 2007 13:05:01 GMT -5
I do not consider work-rate when discussing "greatest wrestler" like most people will. If a guy makes money for his company he is a successful wrestler...when a guy is making TONS of money for his company and headlining the biggest show of the year and grossing more money than any PPV ever...he's the greatest wrestler on the planet.
I understand your point...there are people who think Bryan Danielson is the best wrestler ever...those people are wrong as not only is he a bad wrestler and makes no one any money including himself, I'm not even sure he is considered to be a pro since all he does is flop around in front of 400 people at high school gyms mostly...but I get your point. I just don't agree with it.
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Post by Nice Guy Cody on May 9, 2007 13:06:31 GMT -5
Cena - 3 reigns - 644+ Austin - 6 reigns - 528 Bret - 5 reigns - 654 Wrong, just wrong Bah Gawd, it's just John Cena overcoming the odds! Everything is always stacked against him! What an underdog! LOVE HIM!!!!!111 I do not consider work-rate when discussing "greatest wrestler" like most people will. If a guy makes money for his company he is a successful wrestler...when a guy is making TONS of money for his company and headlining the biggest show of the year and grossing more money than any PPV ever...he's the greatest wrestler on the planet. I understand your point...there are people who think Bryan Danielson is the best wrestler ever...those people are wrong as not only is he a bad wrestler and makes no one any money including himself, I'm not even sure he is considered to be a pro since all he does is flop around in front of 400 people at high school gyms mostly...but I get your point. I just don't agree with it. Does it get lonely up there in that Ivory Tower?
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on May 9, 2007 13:18:46 GMT -5
All he does is flop around? Geez, have you ever watched a match of his? Watch him vs KENTA, or Homicide, or Paul London. He doesn't ever flip and flop. Plus he doesn't wrestle in high-school gyms, he wrestles in ROH, which, while they don't get massive crowds, they get more than 400.
Oh and your Cena argument- There is a big difference between being great and being successful. The most inept and talentless person can be successful if they get the correct timing, just like a greatly talented person can fail to get what they arguably deserve more than the talentless person. And I'm not just talking about wrestling, I mean anything- football, acting, the banned p-word, business, whatever.
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Post by Swarm on May 9, 2007 13:19:09 GMT -5
If work rate = success then Danielson vs. Fat Elvis would have Main Evented WM and John Cena would be fighting in front of 15 people waiting in line at a lemonade stand in ROH.
I like ROH don't get me wrong, but I'm not dumb enough not to know that wrestling is a business and in any business, your success is based on the amount of money you make for yourself and your company. And right now, that makes Cena the greatest wrestler on the planet. His ***** matches vs. Umaga and HBK don't hurt.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on May 9, 2007 13:23:03 GMT -5
If work rate = success then Danielson vs. Fat Elvis would have Main Evented WM and John Cena would be fighting in front of 15 people waiting in line at a lemonade stand in ROH. I like ROH don't get me wrong, but I'm not dumb enough not to know that wrestling is a business and in any business, your success is based on the amount of money you make for yourself and your company. And right now, that makes Cena the greatest wrestler on the planet. His ***** matches vs. Umaga and HBK don't hurt. Did you completely miss my point? I said that work rate does NOT equal success. I said ability/how good you are, and how successful you are are 2 completely different things. Therefore Cena can be the most successful wrestler on the planet, and currently he is, but that doesn't mean he's the greatest/best on the planet. And I don't think Bryan Danielson's the best worker either, for that matter.
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Post by Swarm on May 9, 2007 13:27:36 GMT -5
If work rate = success then Danielson vs. Fat Elvis would have Main Evented WM and John Cena would be fighting in front of 15 people waiting in line at a lemonade stand in ROH. I like ROH don't get me wrong, but I'm not dumb enough not to know that wrestling is a business and in any business, your success is based on the amount of money you make for yourself and your company. And right now, that makes Cena the greatest wrestler on the planet. His ***** matches vs. Umaga and HBK don't hurt. Did you completely miss my point? I said that work rate does NOT equal success. I said ability/how good you are, and how successful you are are 2 completely different things. Therefore Cena can be the most successful wrestler on the planet, and currently he is, but that doesn't mean he's the greatest/best on the planet. And I don't think Bryan Danielson's the best worker either, for that matter. No I did not miss your point. I was responding to the other dude. Look at the times between your post and my response. If I could type that fast I would be on TV for sure earning some kind of award. Greatest/best etc...it's all subjective...my point is strictly from a business standpoint...and from a business perspective, Cena is the greatest wrestler on the planet right now because no one draws the buck like he does. That's all I'm saying.
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Post by Spyke the Pacers Fan on May 9, 2007 13:28:19 GMT -5
If work rate = success then Danielson vs. Fat Elvis would have Main Evented WM and John Cena would be fighting in front of 15 people waiting in line at a lemonade stand in ROH. I like ROH don't get me wrong, but I'm not dumb enough not to know that wrestling is a business and in any business, your success is based on the amount of money you make for yourself and your company. And right now, that makes Cena the greatest wrestler on the planet. His ***** matches vs. Umaga and HBK don't hurt. Did you completely miss my point? I said that work rate does NOT equal success. I said ability/how good you are, and how successful you are are 2 completely different things. Therefore Cena can be the most successful wrestler on the planet, and currently he is, but that doesn't mean he's the greatest/best on the planet. And I don't think Bryan Danielson's the best worker either, for that matter. True. Another example of this is, there could be someone earning a 6 or 7 figure contract in the NBA right now, but then there could be some dude playing streetball that could school his ass.
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Post by Nice Guy Cody on May 9, 2007 13:30:38 GMT -5
If work rate = success then Danielson vs. Fat Elvis would have Main Evented WM and John Cena would be fighting in front of 15 people waiting in line at a lemonade stand in ROH. I like ROH don't get me wrong, but I'm not dumb enough not to know that wrestling is a business and in any business, your success is based on the amount of money you make for yourself and your company. And right now, that makes Cena the greatest wrestler on the planet. His ***** matches vs. Umaga and HBK don't hurt. Who cares? If there's one thing I've learned from the worlds of movies, music and all-around human psychology, it's that people in large groups are idiots, the majority is usually dead wrong, and if something is extremely mainstream and popular, it's likely because it's boring crap that's just pandering and repeating played-out fads to people who don't realize they've seen the same exact thing done better a million times elsewhere. Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't base my enjoyment of wrestling or anything else based on how much money mom and pop are willing to spend on 12-year-old Johnny's wrestling fandom. If he wants to buy replica John Cena spinner belts, that's fine. But it CERTAINLY doesn't suddenly mean after only two years on top (which is meaningless anyway, as it's the WWE and not the fans that put him there and kept him there) Cena MUST be recognized as the end-all, be-all greatest wrestler of all time, no questions asked. I care about what entertains me in wrestling, not what other people spend their money on. And what entertains me is what actual WRESTLING goes on INSIDE the match, not money that's getting passed around outisde it.
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