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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2007 18:47:23 GMT -5
Yeah I'll say sometimes Russo's vision of what wrestling should be isn't really up to speed with what I believe, but watching this interview he doesn't seem like a really bad guy, he might not be genuine with some of the things he's saying but I don't know him enough to say otherwise, it sounds like he does love the business and is doing as best he can and I can respect that much.
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Post by DrizzlinShytes on Feb 4, 2007 19:02:15 GMT -5
Doesn't Vince Russo realize that the reason people watch wrestling is for the WRESTLING!!!!? No they don't or the E would've gone out of business years ago.
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Feb 4, 2007 19:08:08 GMT -5
Watching the shot vids and listening to his Wrestlecrap Radio interview, he's a man that never answers to his faults and always has a response to explain how everyone is against him.
The worst kind of people, in my opinion, are those that refuse to accept their faults.
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Post by DrizzlinShytes on Feb 4, 2007 19:09:50 GMT -5
That whole interview makes Russo out to be pretty sane. Anyone writing for as long as he has will make mistakes and wrong calls but he is right. If wrestling was the selling point Hogan wouldn't be the top draw in history. If wrestling was the reason people watched shows then the last two biggest surges in popularity wouldn't have been led by Hogan and Austin. The Attitude Era and the Rock'N Wrestling era were not wrestling based, period. Like Russo or not but he is correct. You have to present great storylines with engaging characters...just like any other television show. A match between two boring characters is not going to draw much. And I think the one thing Russo hits on that the E could learn about is DO NOT INSULT THE INTELLIGENCE OF YOUR AUDIENCE!
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Feb 4, 2007 19:11:28 GMT -5
But Russo does insult the intelligence of the audience by saying he knows what they want more than they do. He's no different than the "evils" shown by WWE.
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Post by EJS on Feb 4, 2007 19:15:00 GMT -5
But Russo does insult the intelligence of the audience by saying he knows what they want more than they do. He's no different than the "evils" shown by WWE. At least Russo's vision of what the fans want involes less man-ass...
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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Feb 4, 2007 19:16:15 GMT -5
But Russo does insult the intelligence of the audience by saying he knows what they want more than they do. He's no different than the "evils" shown by WWE. At least Russo's vision of what the fans want involes less man-ass... Yeah, but more Mr. Ass.
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Post by JMA on Feb 4, 2007 19:19:43 GMT -5
But Russo does insult the intelligence of the audience by saying he knows what they want more than they do. He's no different than the "evils" shown by WWE. At least Russo's vision of what the fans want involes less man-ass... Not really. We saw plenty of HBK's ass during the Attitude Era.
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Post by DrizzlinShytes on Feb 4, 2007 19:21:17 GMT -5
But Russo does insult the intelligence of the audience by saying he knows what they want more than they do. He's no different than the "evils" shown by WWE. Well you have to take into account all of his work. In the WWF he seemed to know what a great many fans wanted. In the WCW I give him the benefit of the doubt when you take into account all of the egos he had to write for with no real authority to rein in Hogan, Flair, etc etc. So you can look at just what he has written in WCW and say that he never was anything or you could look at the WWF when he was there and how he helped and tapped into what there was a real hunger for. I do think he is correct in saying that you can't insult the intelligence of the audience if you want to keep them. I do think a weekly TV show has to be talky and flesh out why we should care about characters THEN you buy the PPV to see the characters you care about. Has Russo's actions at times contradicted his words? Absolutely. He is human and he has made some large mistakes. That doesn't make his assessment wrong nor does it make him a complete waste of space.
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Post by GrantM on Feb 4, 2007 19:23:00 GMT -5
The YouTube shooters would have a field day over this
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Post by JMA on Feb 4, 2007 19:24:17 GMT -5
The worst kind of people, in my opinion, are those that refuse to accept their faults. Agreed. If more people learned to take responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming others then this world would be a better place.
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Feb 4, 2007 19:25:14 GMT -5
He makes good points, don't get me wrong, but his actions speak louder than his words.
And the fact that he blames everyone else for his faults is pure bull shit. And in regards to the war and realism... Wrestling is supposed to be escapism entertainment.
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Post by JMA on Feb 4, 2007 19:30:49 GMT -5
His attitude just perplexes me, to be honest. I think it's just a case of him trying to justify his actions in the face of harsh criticism. People will do almost anything to avoid admitting they made a mistake.
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Feb 4, 2007 19:53:19 GMT -5
And, not to mention... He's a huge hypocrite. He speaks about the stupidity of wrestling and about not insulting the fans, while he drove me away from TNA. Something WWE land has never done.
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Post by JMA on Feb 4, 2007 20:02:31 GMT -5
Also, why would Russo insult Internet fans when he's done many angles that only they would understand? That doesn't make any sense.
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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Feb 4, 2007 20:17:14 GMT -5
And, not to mention... He's a huge hypocrite. He speaks about the stupidity of wrestling and about not insulting the fans, while he drove me away from TNA. Something WWE land has never done. WWE can be boring, and sometimes tasteless, and often leaves us wishing they would bring their act together ... but at least their shit makes sense.
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Feb 4, 2007 20:21:51 GMT -5
Yep. I'm a honors student in college. And I still don't get the reverse battle royal.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Feb 4, 2007 20:34:48 GMT -5
That whole interview makes Russo out to be pretty sane. Anyone writing for as long as he has will make mistakes and wrong calls but he is right. If wrestling was the selling point Hogan wouldn't be the top draw in history. If wrestling was the reason people watched shows then the last two biggest surges in popularity wouldn't have been led by Hogan and Austin. The Attitude Era and the Rock'N Wrestling era were not wrestling based, period. Like Russo or not but he is correct. You have to present great storylines with engaging characters...just like any other television show. A match between two boring characters is not going to draw much. And I think the one thing Russo hits on that the E could learn about is DO NOT INSULT THE INTELLIGENCE OF YOUR AUDIENCE! Well, a wrestling show does need more than just wrestling to get people to watch. But, the wrestling is a main reason why people tune in. A wrestling show really needs to be a good balance between angles, promos/interviews, and wrestling matches.
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Post by MGH on Feb 4, 2007 20:42:28 GMT -5
That's the thing. At the heart of it all it's still WRESTLING. And it's a WRESTLING based show. The storylines and angles are vital, but not as much as the actual WRESTLING. That's what you draw people in with. If you have a Hogan as champion, you need a solid wrestling undercard.
The fact that Russo once wanted to do a show with nothing but angles and promos and then give a main event at the end of it says enough.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2007 21:44:33 GMT -5
I'm not going to get into Vince Russo debate Version 7.23434345.
But people act as though he contributed nothing to wrestling.
Does everyone forget how flipping lame WWF was in the early 90s?
Does everyone forget how WWE has been for the most part, average the last 5 years?
Yes, Russo booked Arqutte as champion, Goldberg as heel, Judy Bagwell as tag champion etc, etc.
But WWE has booked HHH humping a mannequin, Terrorists strangling the Undertaker and Randy Orton crashing Eddie Guerrero's lowrider a month after he died.
Every booker/promtion has had it's share of stupid, moronic storylines. Why Russo seems to get dumped on 5000 times more than anyone else in beyond me.
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