This is why I fear for TNA

[I Got Heat]

hollywood said:

lolatwwe said:

Everyone was over in the Impact Zone. That doesn't count and we both know it. When they start buying tickets we'll talk.

If everyone was over, why did half the crowd leave during one of their 2-hour tapings there?

They didn't pay to get in, do you understand that? Why are we arguing about fans who didn't pay to see something and what they thought of it? Who cares about the Impact Zone, it's a place to tape a show to get us to BUY PPVs.

[hollywood]

sinister1 said:

hollywood said:

If everyone was over, why did half the crowd leave during one of their 2-hour tapings there?

Cause they're tourists? Not wrestling fans? Who came to see the Jaws ride at Universal more than watching wrestling?

And yet it wasn't as big of a problem until now?

lolatwwe said:

hollywood said:

If everyone was over, why did half the crowd leave during one of their 2-hour tapings there?

They didn't pay to get in, do you understand that? Why are we arguing about fans who didn't pay to see something and what they thought of it? Who cares about the Impact Zone, it's a place to tape a show to get us to BUY PPVs.

And I don't buy them. And neither do a lot of other people.

[I Got Heat]

hollywood, you just hate Russo. You don't care if what he books is good or not, you just hate him. That's fine, but just be up front about it, because there's no sense in us arguing with you about his current booking when all you care about is that he "came off like a jerk on a wrestling radio show I listened to."

[Michael Coello]

hollywood said:

sinister1 said:

Cause they're tourists? Not wrestling fans? Who came to see the Jaws ride at Universal more than watching wrestling?

And yet it wasn't as big of a problem until now?

Cause it was mostly wrestling before, and now that it's a different format, it's not the same as an attraction?

[hollywood]

lolatwwe said:

hollywood, you just hate Russo. You don't care if what he books is good or not, you just hate him. That's fine, but just be up front about it, because there's no sense in us arguing with you about his current booking when all you care about is that he "came off like a jerk on a wrestling radio show I listened to."

I think I've been as up front as I can possibly be, haven't I? I've said I think he's a hack, a self-proclaimed martyr, and the worst booker I've ever seen. How more blunt can I be?

And I've also said I took the "wait and see" approach a lot of other people did. I actually gave the man a second chance. In fact, I even half-heartedly defended him to friends at first because I figured he deserved another shot. I sat through Impact for several months with him in charge, and now I think the show's terrible.

I don't hate the man. I just hate his booking. I hated his work long before RD ever interviewed him. Him proving what an ass he was on WrestleCrap Radio only furthered that impression. And with the crap he's doing with Impact right now, I'm fast getting to the point where I'll never think anything good of him. (or maybe I'm already there)

[I Got Heat]

Like I said in a post earlier, MOST of the people unhappy with Impact now are the ones who watched it for PPV-quality matches but did not buy the PPVs. These fans are cheapskate forum people who spend all day on here bashing a lack of free wrestling on TV, when in reality they should go out and get a job and BUY the next PPV to get their wrestling fix. This is exactly why promotions shouldn't cater to Internet fans. All they want is free free free wrestling on TV all the time, and they'll sign on a forum and bash your promotion if you don't give it to them. It's sad that Lance Storm does the same exact thing, you'd think he would have saved up enough in his career to check out a PPV instead of crying over a TV show that was intended to get over angles.

[hollywood]

lolatwwe said:

Like I said in a post earlier, MOST of the people unhappy with Impact now are the ones who watched it for PPV-quality matches but did not buy the PPVs. These fans are cheapskate forum people who spend all day on here bashing a lack of free wrestling on TV, when in reality they should go out and get a job and BUY the next PPV to get their wrestling fix. This is exactly why promotions shouldn't cater to Internet fans. All they want is free free free wrestling on TV all the time, and they'll sign on a forum and bash your promotion if you don't give it to them. It's sad that Lance Storm does the same exact thing, you'd think he would have saved up enough in his career to check out a PPV instead of crying over a TV show that was intended to get over angles.

Maybe the fans are cheapskates. But if that's the case, TNA should cater more to those cheapskates. Trust me, there's plenty of non-internet fans who don't order PPVs either. If they can't get their free wrestling from TNA, they can easily get it from WWE and WSX.

EDIT: It doesn't help that a lot of said fans think the angles furthered on Impact are stupid.

[I Got Heat]

If they were satisfied with WWE and WSX they wouldn't be posting about TNA.

[hollywood]

lolatwwe said:

If they were satisfied with WWE and WSX they wouldn't be posting about TNA.

Perhaps some of them, like me, are posting because they desperately want TNA to succeed and finally become a real alternative to McMahon and Co.

[mysterydriver]

lolatwwe said:

Like I said in a post earlier, MOST of the people unhappy with Impact now are the ones who watched it for PPV-quality matches but did not buy the PPVs. These fans are cheapskate forum people who spend all day on here bashing a lack of free wrestling on TV, when in reality they should go out and get a job and BUY the next PPV to get their wrestling fix. This is exactly why promotions shouldn't cater to Internet fans. All they want is free free free wrestling on TV all the time, and they'll sign on a forum and bash your promotion if you don't give it to them. It's sad that Lance Storm does the same exact thing, you'd think he would have saved up enough in his career to check out a PPV instead of crying over a TV show that was intended to get over angles.

...

I bought PPVs all the time...last year. I am not buying Against All Odds because of this debacle of a TV show.

Yes, I did enjoy "PPV-quality" matches on free TV. I mean, didn't we all cheer when they gave us Abyss Vs Norman Smiley for FREE! Wow! I would have paid $30 for just that!

Now, I'm not ragging on Norman, in fact he gave me more of a WcW nostalgia feeling than Sting. All I am saying is that this three minute match that helps Abyss look stronger rather than random "snaps" where he throws stuff or Sting allows him to maul without fighting back (Before disappearing from the ambulance?).

I just want wrestling! Wrestling on my wrestling show! Is that too much to ask for from Vince Russo?!

One clean finish to build a character up. One less attack on an old man in a Pizza shop!

TNA Impact has became an infomercial. I won't watch infomercials when I can't sleep at 3AM and I sure won't watch them on Thurdays at 9 when I am looking to be entertained.

[mysterydriver]

hollywood said:

lolatwwe said:

If they were satisfied with WWE and WSX they wouldn't be posting about TNA.

Perhaps some of them, like me, are posting because they desperately want TNA to succeed and finally become a real alternative to McMahon and Co.

Without resorting to acronyms, let me say: Quoted for truth.

[Jason Todd Grisham]

hollywood said:

Maybe the fans are cheapskates. But if that's the case, TNA should cater more to those cheapskates. Trust me, there's plenty of non-internet fans who don't order PPVs either. If they can't get their free wrestling from TNA, they can easily get it from WWE and WSX.

EDIT: It doesn't help that a lot of said fans think the angles furthered on Impact are stupid.

Cause it helps SO much to get money from the advertising revenue right? TNA makes their money off of merchandise and PPV revenue. Putting free PPV quality matches on iMPACT! isn't going to help them. What they are doing with the "This is TNA" special is perfect. People need to know how well the wrestle.

But if you expect a PPV quality match every iMPACT you are spoiled. Is more wrestling required? Yes. But I think they would be better off building up storylines than having 10 minute matches.

[hollywood]

a2j88 said:

hollywood said:

Maybe the fans are cheapskates. But if that's the case, TNA should cater more to those cheapskates. Trust me, there's plenty of non-internet fans who don't order PPVs either. If they can't get their free wrestling from TNA, they can easily get it from WWE and WSX.

EDIT: It doesn't help that a lot of said fans think the angles furthered on Impact are stupid.

Cause it helps SO much to get money from the advertising revenue right? TNA makes their money off of merchandise and PPV revenue. Putting free PPV quality matches on iMPACT! isn't going to help them. What they are doing with the "This is TNA" special is perfect. People need to know how well the wrestle.

But if you expect a PPV quality match every iMPACT you are spoiled.

That may be, but so are a lot of other fans. And it may hurt their future PPV buys.

EDIT: Again, it might be different if the show was actually entertaining despite its lack of wrestling.

[I Got Heat]

You're not giving them enough of a chance. It's like WCW management syndrome, you want some kind of huge positive change right away or you want the guy dead.

[hollywood]

lolatwwe said:

You're not giving them enough of a chance. It's like WCW management syndrome, you want some kind of huge positive change right away or you want the guy dead.

I wasn't looking for any change. I was just looking for them to continue building on their momentum, and I think Russo's killing that momentum.

Plus, I gave them several months. How much more of a chance am I supposed to give them?

[I Got Heat]

mysterydriver said:

lolatwwe said:

Like I said in a post earlier, MOST of the people unhappy with Impact now are the ones who watched it for PPV-quality matches but did not buy the PPVs. These fans are cheapskate forum people who spend all day on here bashing a lack of free wrestling on TV, when in reality they should go out and get a job and BUY the next PPV to get their wrestling fix. This is exactly why promotions shouldn't cater to Internet fans. All they want is free free free wrestling on TV all the time, and they'll sign on a forum and bash your promotion if you don't give it to them. It's sad that Lance Storm does the same exact thing, you'd think he would have saved up enough in his career to check out a PPV instead of crying over a TV show that was intended to get over angles.

...

I bought PPVs all the time...last year. I am not buying Against All Odds because of this debacle of a TV show.

Yes, I did enjoy "PPV-quality" matches on free TV. I mean, didn't we all cheer when they gave us Abyss Vs Norman Smiley for FREE! Wow! I would have paid $30 for just that!

Now, I'm not ragging on Norman, in fact he gave me more of a WcW nostalgia feeling than Sting. All I am saying is that this three minute match that helps Abyss look stronger rather than random "snaps" where he throws stuff or Sting allows him to maul without fighting back (Before disappearing from the ambulance?).

I just want wrestling! Wrestling on my wrestling show! Is that too much to ask for from Vince Russo?!

One clean finish to build a character up. One less attack on an old man in a Pizza shop!

TNA Impact has became an infomercial. I won't watch infomercials when I can't sleep at 3AM and I sure won't watch them on Thurdays at 9 when I am looking to be entertained.

You're in the minority. Most people who get TNA PPVs know they are quality and worth the money. WWE PPVs on the other hand....

[I Got Heat]

hollywood said:

lolatwwe said:

You're not giving them enough of a chance. It's like WCW management syndrome, you want some kind of huge positive change right away or you want the guy dead.

I wasn't looking for any change. I was just looking for them to continue building on their momentum, and I think Russo's killing that momentum.

Plus, I gave them several months. How much more of a chance am I supposed to give them?

If you really dislike it, you can quit watching. As a wrestling fan I can say I've stuck with bad programming for much longer than several months waiting for a change, but maybe that's just me.

[mysterydriver]

lolatwwe said:

mysterydriver said:

...

I bought PPVs all the time...last year. I am not buying Against All Odds because of this debacle of a TV show.

Yes, I did enjoy "PPV-quality" matches on free TV. I mean, didn't we all cheer when they gave us Abyss Vs Norman Smiley for FREE! Wow! I would have paid $30 for just that!

Now, I'm not ragging on Norman, in fact he gave me more of a WcW nostalgia feeling than Sting. All I am saying is that this three minute match that helps Abyss look stronger rather than random "snaps" where he throws stuff or Sting allows him to maul without fighting back (Before disappearing from the ambulance?).

I just want wrestling! Wrestling on my wrestling show! Is that too much to ask for from Vince Russo?!

One clean finish to build a character up. One less attack on an old man in a Pizza shop!

TNA Impact has became an infomercial. I won't watch infomercials when I can't sleep at 3AM and I sure won't watch them on Thurdays at 9 when I am looking to be entertained.

You're in the minority. Most people who get TNA PPVs know they are quality and worth the money. WWE PPVs on the other hand....

As much as I enjoy the Green Day song about being in the minority, that comment felt like a brush-off.

I love wrestling and I loved TNA. Russo has stated that as long as Wrestling is in the title, then wrestling fans will watch it. However, from what I have seen the last couple of weeks, I think I can prove him wrong. It is a shame too, a pure shame. I wanted them to become a big name competition to WWE.

Speaking of WWE, when did they come into this? You just bashed their PPVs for no good reason in a Russo debate.

[hollywood]

lolatwwe said:

hollywood said:

I wasn't looking for any change. I was just looking for them to continue building on their momentum, and I think Russo's killing that momentum.

Plus, I gave them several months. How much more of a chance am I supposed to give them?

If you really dislike it, you can quit watching. As a wrestling fan I can say I've stuck with bad programming for much longer than several months waiting for a change, but maybe that's just me.

I did quit. About a month ago. I also don't watch RAW or SmackDown much, either. These days I usually just buy the occasional ROH or Chikara Pro DVD. They're usually ten times better than TNA and WWE.

mysterydriver said:

Speaking of WWE, when did they come into this? You just bashed their PPVs for no good reason in a Russo debate.

I'm not a big fan of the E these days, but they're Royal Rumble really was a good show, even if I wasn't personally thrilled about the outcomes.

[I Got Heat]

mysterydriver said:

lolatwwe said:

You're in the minority. Most people who get TNA PPVs know they are quality and worth the money. WWE PPVs on the other hand....

As much as I enjoy the Green Day song about being in the minority, that comment felt like a brush-off.

I love wrestling and I loved TNA. Russo has stated that as long as Wrestling is in the title, then wrestling fans will watch it. However, from what I have seen the last couple of weeks, I think I can prove him wrong. It is a shame too, a pure shame. I wanted them to become a big name competition to WWE.

Speaking of WWE, when did they come into this? You just bashed their PPVs for no good reason in a Russo debate.

TNA debates almost always relate to WWE and what they're doing in comparison. I'd be shocked if I went through the previous 9 pages and didn't find "WWE" before I typed it, and I actually doubt that's the case.

Of course when Russo said "wrestling fans will still watch" he was making a generalization and of course there are going to be exceptions, and even exceptions that become exceptions because the statement makes them sick and they want to disprove it (Russo has caused this with a lot of things he has said over the years) but for the most part he made a good point. Just from this board alone we know there's a crapload of fans watching products they don't like because it's wrestling. That's fine to admit, and it's OK for something Russo said to also be true.

You can stop watching for whatever reason you want. Despite you no longer watching the rating seems to be up and steady. I'm not saying you're not a valued fan, but they're always gonna lose some people to gain more. You know some fans out there who are "hardcore" will simply stop watching once it gets too popular with marks. These are things TNA has to know will happen and accept, that they will lose fans in growth periods. We can post back and forth all day arguing about if they're going to die or if they're going to get much bigger and become a threat, but none of us will really know the truth unless it happens.