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Post by Arturo Classico on Mar 5, 2007 12:40:40 GMT -5
Hi I wanted to say this. Alot of people seem to hate Mysterio over the whole Guerrero storyline. As much as I despised it and Mysterio did basically become the surrogate for Guerrero which I did not like. I still really like Rey and I want him to come back. It's so unfortunate that someone as talented as Rey had to do that and I gurantee he did not want to but number one Wrestlers do not have there own union and second he wouldn't have gotten anything if he refused to do it and as much as he thought it was bad he still had to do it.
The actually use of Chavo and Vickie offended me more. Anyway my point is I doubt when Rey returns he will be doing this and i bet/hope they will book him better because that title run was horrible but not because of him. I feel saying you don't want to see him come back after one stupid storyline is idiotic, plus with the only other possible full-time faces being Batista and Matt Hardy they need Mysterio back badly.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Mar 5, 2007 12:45:12 GMT -5
Honestly I've never liked Rey ever since I first saw him in WCW, so, yeah.
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Post by Reverend BTY on Mar 5, 2007 12:45:45 GMT -5
The only thing I don't like/care about Rey is what storyline he's in. Taking Eddie stuff an example, I don't care and just change the channel. Flash to when he came in against Angle and I loved it. Another example being Matt Hardy/Rey feud that culminated in that San Diego smackdown show. When he returns if he has a good angle goin, I'm sure he'll be in my Top 5 again.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 5, 2007 12:46:05 GMT -5
I wasn't a big fan of him getting the title in the first place, and it didn't really have anything to do with the whole Eddie thing, I just wanted Angle to retain.
Then I didn't like the title run cuz it seemed like he couldn't beat ANYONE. They had Mark Henry, Khali etc just dominate him in non-title matches. It was just booked horribly.
So take away all the Eddie stuff and I still was no fan of that whole thing.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Mar 5, 2007 12:47:13 GMT -5
I wasn't a big fan of him getting the title in the first place, and it didn't really have anything to do with the whole Eddie thing, I just wanted Angle to retain. Then I didn't like the title run cuz it seemed like he couldn't beat ANYONE. They had Mark Henry, Khali etc just dominate him in non-title matches. It was just booked horribly. So take away all the Eddie stuff and I still was no fan of that whole thing. Exactly. To us internet fans, he only got the title because of sympathy over Eddie, well, getting beat over and over AS champion yet keeping the belt made him the ultimate charity case. What's there to get behind?
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Post by Arturo Classico on Mar 5, 2007 12:50:41 GMT -5
I wasn't a big fan of him getting the title in the first place, and it didn't really have anything to do with the whole Eddie thing, I just wanted Angle to retain. Then I didn't like the title run cuz it seemed like he couldn't beat ANYONE. They had Mark Henry, Khali etc just dominate him in non-title matches. It was just booked horribly. So take away all the Eddie stuff and I still was no fan of that whole thing. Exactly. To us internet fans, he only got the title because of sympathy over Eddie, well, getting beat over and over AS champion yet keeping the belt made him the ultimate charity case. What's there to get behind? No eventually he would have beame World Champion eventually the Eddie thig sped it up but even before Eddie died he was getting pops so he would have won it sometime. Also I feel he will world champion soon, anything is better than this stale crap title reign that Batista has right now.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Mar 5, 2007 12:52:47 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I dont think there was ANY WAY he would be world champion without Eddie. If not Eddie, you had Booker, Taker, Finlay, I believe there was talk about putting the belt on Kane even at one point.
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Post by Tom Selleck on Mar 5, 2007 12:59:39 GMT -5
Anyone that is sucessful in Wrestling is treated unfairly by the interent fans.
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Post by Arturo Classico on Mar 5, 2007 13:01:24 GMT -5
Anyone that is sucessful in Wrestling is treated unfairly by the interent fans. Except Foley he never gets bashed by the internet fans. Never.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2007 13:02:02 GMT -5
I never liked him outside of the WCW cruiserwight divsion.
To me he's like the Mexican version of The Patriot. Just a bland, middle of the road babyface with nothing really interesting about him.
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Post by Austin's Middle Finger on Mar 5, 2007 13:07:39 GMT -5
I like watching him wrestle.
When he's on the mic, not so much.
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Post by randomranter on Mar 5, 2007 13:09:36 GMT -5
I've said it a million times before, and I'll say it again.
There is a difference between a bad wrestler and a good wrestler booked badly. Rey is a member of the latter being treated like a member of the former.
What people seem to tend to forget is that Rey was being primed for a main event run before Eddie died. He may or may not have got the title, but he was going to be in the main event picture one way or the other. Eddie's death only sped things along.
After Eddie died is when things started going downhill. Suddenly, EVERYTHING was dedicated to Eddie. It was cool at first, but after a while, it became beyond stale. Whether or not this is Rey's fault or the writers' is anyone's guess. No matter who's fault it is, though, they had the right idea, but just dragged it on too long and focused too much on it.
Rey's win at the rumble was very well presented. Would he have won had Eddie not died? Who knows. Like I said, he was in line for a main event push, so it's entirely possible. However, having him lose his title shot to Orton only to have Teddy Long put him back into the match after he literally cried like a baby in the ring forever tainted him, turning him from "underdog" to "Charity Case". And there's no way to "reverse" that in the eyes of the fans. Because of that, he will always be remembered as a charity case and nothing more. This isn't Rey's fault -- this is one of a series of TERRIBLE booking ideas that did nothing but cement Rey's status as a pathetic charity case, instead of the credible main event wrestler he really is. If they REALLY insisted on having Orton in the main event, instead of keeping the match as just Angle/Rey (which would've been better, IMO), they could have used one of a billion possible ways to insert him without destroying Rey's credibility in the process.
If there was something worse than his "charity case" booking before he won the belt, it was the "jobber with gold" booking after he won it. We all know that there is NO possible way to make Rey/Mark Henry, Rey/Khali, or Rey/Undertaker look credible. It's just not going to happen. Rey should have been kept far, far away from the hosses and focused on the smaller main eventers, such as Benoit, Angle, and Orton.
Booked properly, Rey could have had a short, credible, and memorable title run that could have been one of the highlights of 2006, instead of one of the low points. He could have had PPV matches with Benoit, Orton, and Angle at PPVs, while having non-title matches with cruiserweights and up-and-comers such as Gregory Helms, Matt Hardy, and Kennedy on television. This would have been an incredible string of matches which would have cemented Rey's position as a main-eventer, and retained his credibility in the future for future storylines and title shots. Once his string with the midsized wrestlers has run its course, he could drop the belt to someone who could have credible matches with the big guys.
But instead, they fed him to Khali, Henry, etc. The Red Rooster was booked better than this. They ruined Rey's credibilty, devalued the belt, and forever cemented Rey's status as a charity case who couldn't hack it. Because of bad booking, Rey will never again be taken seriously as a credible contender, and his title reign will go down as one of the worst of all time.
You don't book your CHAMPION the same way you book Iron Mike Sharpe. This isn't Rey's fault, either. He has to do what he's told -- including laying down for Khali on command. He was a good wrestler who had all his credibility and potential taken away from him by a long series of bad booking decisions. I just wish that the fans would learn to separate "Rey Mysterio, Good Wreslter" from "Rey Mysterio, Badly Booked Champion."
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Post by hollywood on Mar 5, 2007 13:12:38 GMT -5
No offense, but you're kinda wasting your time. People tend to stick their opinions no matter what.
Rey is incredibly talented, and was probably the best "small" guy to give the title to out of all the cruiserweights. Yea, it was probably because of Eddie, but that doesn't mean Rey's not a talented worker that didn't deserve a chance. The E just kept having him get DESTROYED every week while having other wrestlers accuse him of being a "charity case." It's no wonder everyone crapped on him before it was over. The whole thing became a joke.
I've never understood the hatred for Rey the wrestler. I understood their hatred of his title reign (it sucked), but not him. He's phenomenal at what he does, but for some reason because he's under 5 feet tall he gets labelled "Vanilla Midget" and treated like a complete waste of space.
Just because Vince and the E don't have a goddamned clue how to market cruiserweights like Rey doesn't mean they aren't valuable. It just means that Vince and the E are morons (but that's hardly anything new).
But the argument is moot. No one's gonna change their minds. On that note, Matt Striker is a complete dud that should be fired and I can't understand why anyone defends him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2007 13:19:19 GMT -5
Well I figure as long as we're willing to buy him lunch at the end of the day we're allowed to say anything we want.
But seriously I completely agree, Rey Mysterio seems like a really cool and a really nice guy, I respect him for what he does and I don't see why anyone gives him any disrespect, I find it really unwarranted, just because you don't like an angle a guy is in, I know there are people who hated the last few angles he's been a part of but I don't see why that's a reason to form a grudge against him.
I thought that his title reign was fine, the way I see it is that everyone complains when John Cena was pitted against the "odds" but seemed to ALWAYS overcome them, and if people are complaining about that, then I think it shows that even if they did things the opposite they would STILL be complaining because Rey Mysterio was booked against odds he couldn't beat, and people still hated it 100%, so sometimes I just believe WWE is screwed either way because people will always complain, but I really enjoyed Rey Mysterio's title reign because I wanted him to win every defense he had, but at the same time I myself doubted he would do it, because in cases like the JBL feud, Rey was put in situations where the odds were STACKED and he hadn't won a match the whole month, I thought for sure JBL was gonna take it.
And if Rey Mysterio is being treated in an angle the way that everyone seems to think John Cena should be treated, it makes me believe that it's not that people actually want to be convinced that John Cena is facing odds he can't overcome, they just don't like John Cena and want him to lose the belt, I wasn't HALF as offended by Rey's angles in WWE before leaving as anyone else, and the word "Eddiesploitation" is about the most annoying wrestling board terminology I've heard since workrate, I don't mind if you were truly offended by the Eddie related angles WWE've had, the word is just annoying to me, more so than any actual angle that's involved Eddie in WWE last year.
So yeah basically...you don't have to like Rey for what he's done in WWE but he seems like a genuinely nice guy and it seems unfair to take shots at him I know most of you probably wouldn't be taking to his face.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2007 13:21:56 GMT -5
What amazed me about Rey's jobbing as champ is it wouldn't even be via cheating sometimes. He'd just job cleanly to a heel. Heels hardly ever get clean wins, but for some reason they thought the best time to change that would be against their champ...repeatedly.
Henry just beat him up for a while, hit his finisher and won. Then Khali comes along and beats him in like 20 seconds.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Mar 5, 2007 13:30:23 GMT -5
I like Rey. The storyline was tasteless and should've never broached. I just hope he sticks to the Cruiserweight division because he ain't heavy enough to be a "heavyweight".
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Post by 4real on Mar 5, 2007 13:32:36 GMT -5
Rey Mysterio did NOT win the title because of Eddie Guerrero IMO. I thought he was gonna win the title at Mania at least a couple of months before Eddie's death. He just seemed the logical choice to me.
Who else was exactly gonna win the SD! Title then?
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Mar 5, 2007 13:32:44 GMT -5
I claim to be the world' s biggest Rey Mysterio mark and I definitely want to see him back.
I hate the way people go like "he would never have become champ without Eddie' s death" and act as if he was the one behind this awful angle.
To be honest, here' s how I imagine the way the WWE bookers got Eddie' s friends and family to take part to Eddiesploitation :
"This so sad, we MUST give him a tribute storyline. Could you sign here, please ?"
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Post by TheDieselTrain on Mar 5, 2007 13:39:38 GMT -5
meh sure he can wrestle but everything else about him makes me want to laugh at him. His goofy smile and how horrible promo skills ruin him for me. The 619 is too damn contrived it cant be that hard to slip off the rope to avoid it.
I wish he knew how dumb he looks wearing a suit and still having his mask on I was so glad Vince & Umaga came out and annihilated him on smackdown
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Mar 5, 2007 13:40:23 GMT -5
Rey Mysterio did NOT win the title because of Eddie Guerrero IMO. I thought he was gonna win the title at Mania at least a couple of months before Eddie's death. He just seemed the logical choice to me. Who else was exactly gonna win the SD! Title then? Eddie Guerrero or Randy Orton as both were feuding with Batista around the time of Eddie's death. Rey's a great talent, no question, but it was just such a sh***y storyline that from here on out, whenever we think of Rey we remember the Eddiesploitation crap from 05-06. I'd rather not see him in a World Title picture ever again. And I still contend that if Eddie hadn't died, Rey wouldn't have gotten the World Title shot so quickly. I don't care if the friends and family agreed to that crap storyline, doesn't make right,IMO.
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