Legion
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Post by Legion on Apr 16, 2007 11:13:37 GMT -5
I think it would be easy to blame any of the people that are mentioned in this poll. In truth, i think it really is all of them together.
Vince could be blamed because it's his company, but if the stuff about him being told Rodimer is rubbish show anything they show that he is willing to listen when told stuff thats coming could be crap.
Steph is by accounts the driving force behind creative and has pushed for some awful people. However as head of creative she is also responsible for the writers who do good things, and so can't be blamed for everything as we dont have it reported to us about anything good she does behind the scenes.
Ace is, again by accounts, a dick. But as talent relations guy he can only recruit what he's told to recruit. So if someone asks him to get 20 bikini models, then he goes and gets them. Im sure he could hire 20 cruisers as well, but he would need to be told to go get them.
Dunn is responsible for the hollywoodisation of WWE, but without that wrestling would never hit any boom periods. Granted alot of it is a waste of time, but some of it is funny and it's entertaining for casual fans or for main stream which is how the WWE can get new fans etc.
So everyone has negatives, but it's the negatives that make the stories on news sites etc. We hardly ever here about a positive decision made behind the scenes so we don't have nearly enough information to truly make a decision. However, for the purpose of this poll i have to say it has to be Vince himself as, as it has already been stated, it's his company and the final choices are his to make.
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Post by Bram wants to 'urt you on Apr 16, 2007 11:53:12 GMT -5
Saying that everything that sucks about the WWE is down to Vince smacks a little of saying that everything that sucks about Windows is down to Bill Gates.
Yes Vince is the top of the food chain and yes he does have the power to veto anything, but at the end of the day, he also has (theoretically) a team of trusted professionals working for him who he trusts to deliver the product that they promise when they pitch an idea.
Think about all the things that appear on WWE that stink the place out, then consider whether or not they MAY have looked good on paper. With 3 brands producing five hours of TV a week, not to mention writing and planning PPVs, it simply isn't feasible for Vince to oversee everything at all stages of production.
That said, I blame Vince's ego with a degree of greed thrown in for good measure.
There are simply too many WWE products out there for one man to oversee and quality check everything. If he tried letting others take the helm for certain aspects (Heyman in ECW seems like a good example) then perhaps he could ensure that the products that he IS personally responsible for are worth watching.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Apr 16, 2007 12:36:43 GMT -5
I can tell you right now that it isn't Snitsky's fault...
It's all up to Vince. The good and the bad. If the shows are lackluster, then it's up to him to fire / hire the resources he needs to bring it up to his level of "goodness~!".
Anyone that has ran a small business would know that everything goes through you and you only. You hire people that you trust to make the right decisions, and if you don't, then you move on to someone else that will.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Apr 16, 2007 16:27:14 GMT -5
Out of all the people EMPLOYED by WWE, who is most responsible for the mediocre product? There's a lot of blame to go around, but who should get most of it? The guy who gets final say. And who can place blame if someone else's decision bombs. The bald oversexed billionaire himself.
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Post by Captain Sunhat on Apr 16, 2007 16:32:23 GMT -5
Other: The WWE fans.
For giving them our hard earned money and watching every week yet complain about the product. They'll notice something is wrong when the big red line starts going down.
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Post by Arturo Classico on Apr 16, 2007 16:33:45 GMT -5
Vince it's his company so he gets all the blame if something goes wrong since he employed all those people.
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Post by JMA on Apr 16, 2007 16:53:29 GMT -5
Other: The WWE fans. For giving them our hard earned money and watching every week yet complain about the product. They'll notice something is wrong when the big red line starts going down. Once again, they're not employees. Unless you count that time Vince "fired" the fans.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Apr 16, 2007 16:58:44 GMT -5
Other: The WWE fans. For giving them our hard earned money and watching every week yet complain about the product. They'll notice something is wrong when the big red line starts going down. Once again, they're not employees. Unless you count that time Vince "fired" the fans. I'm still collecting my unemployment checks, so it's all good
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Post by Captain Sunhat on Apr 16, 2007 17:01:44 GMT -5
Unless you count that time Vince "fired" the fans. I bet someone, somewhere in the world, put that on their CV when applying for a job.
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Post by salTy on Apr 16, 2007 17:48:12 GMT -5
The guy that approves everything.
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Post by MGH on Apr 16, 2007 17:51:32 GMT -5
Vinnie Mac.
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Post by EvilShadow76 on Apr 16, 2007 18:22:28 GMT -5
Gotta go with McMahon. He has the final say of what does and doesn't go down.
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Post by Loki on Apr 16, 2007 18:33:37 GMT -5
Vince is the owner and can probably veto whatever he wants, BUT, as much of a control freak he may be, it's highly unlikely even Vincent Kennedy McMahon DAMMIT can oversee the whole product, from the hirings to the pushes, from the merchandise design to the actual booking.
Sure, he's probably behind 99.9% of the big decisions, and he can promote or nix whatever angle he wants, but in the end, he's "just" putting his face and his signature on the product.
That being said, I don't exactly know, and I guess you don't either, how the writing/booking process works, so I'll put the blame on the "Creative Stuff"... an entity that's surely made by many of the names on the list...
But since I don't know any better, I won't call names or pass judgement on individuals.
Wrestlers are clearly out of that, no matter if it's Triple H or Jamie Noble...
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Post by Dolph Zalgo on Apr 16, 2007 19:08:13 GMT -5
Waylon Mercy
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Post by humanoid on Apr 16, 2007 22:57:57 GMT -5
I can tell you right now that it isn't Snitsky's fault... It's all up to Vince. The good and the bad. If the shows are lackluster, then it's up to him to fire / hire the resources he needs to bring it up to his level of "goodness~!". Anyone that has ran a small business would know that everything goes through you and you only. You hire people that you trust to make the right decisions, and if you don't, then you move on to someone else that will. But the fact remains that WWE isn't a small business so micromagangement is impossible. The reason that 9 out of 10 small businesses fail is because the owners lack the skills necessary to turn the small " if you want it done right do it yourself" business into the "surround yourself with people smarter and more capable than you" type of business that can grow and be really succesful.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Apr 16, 2007 23:08:42 GMT -5
You give them too much credit. I miss the days when the product was good enough to be called mediocore.
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Post by tna on Apr 17, 2007 0:46:37 GMT -5
Vince.
He has final say on all aspects of the creative end of the product.
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Post by JMA on Apr 17, 2007 1:03:17 GMT -5
It's interesting that Johnny Ace received more votes than Stephanie McMahon. I expected Stephanie to come in at first or second place. While I was sure Vince would get lots of votes, I didn't expect it to be this much of a landslide. Then again, when you're the guy on top, a lot of the blame will (and most of the time should) fall on you.
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Post by Person With A Hat on Apr 17, 2007 1:48:30 GMT -5
And I'd put Linda in there as well, she reportedly wanted to make the E the far more corporate entity it is today. Hence the trickle down effect. Honestly, that's a GOOD thing.
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Post by kickassforumguyme on Apr 17, 2007 3:16:26 GMT -5
Khali, he encourages kids not to do drugs and to take their vitamins and say their prayers.
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