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Post by Swarm on Jun 3, 2007 23:34:36 GMT -5
He would make a bad GM. He makes a fine hardcore wrestler with a nice little cult following on the internet but he is not charismatic enough, over enough or well know enough to carry the role. Very few people know who the dude is I have news for you...or at least what he used to be in ECW when it wasn't on TV and no one saw it but the hardcore underground fans... Tommy Dreamer in the WWE is a jobber and you can't make a jobber the GM. Tommy Dreamer is The Brooklyn Brawler without the hat. Wow, spoken like someone who has never seen a Dreamer promo before. Spectacular Let's see, there was the pep talk to York and Matthews in 200, where he showed his torn bicep on camera, and was screaming about "want it bad enough". There were the promos with Raven for about three years. Fantastic logic as well. "well, he's been shown as a jobber, so no one will want to hear him talk or see him as an authority figure". You mean like Long or freaking Coachman? Teddy Long was a ref, a bad ref, who became a manager, who then became GM. In this role, he says "holla",and puts people in matches with the Undertaker. Beyond that, he does nothing. Coachman was a very subpar announcer, who became a GM by proxy. He has no connection, no one cares when he talks, yet he has been in this role for some time. So, now a guy who, despite being good enough to hold an office postion (meaning he's liked and knows what he's doing in the company), who's good enough to go out there, not complain, and put over the talent they want put over, and who can talk, but has really never been given a chance (outside his feud with Newinski a few years ago) in WWE, is somehow less useful in a role that might help an entire brand than, say, a failed announcer or a failed ref, neither of whom were ever over with the crowd either. LIke I said...all that stuff in the old ECW doesn't matter. You aren't the core audience for ECW anymore...Vince could give a crap about the old ECW fan...that's just the way it is. I used to watch ECW...it was cool, but it's done. And in the new ECW Tommy Dreamer is a jobber. He is never going to be a star. Coachman and Long weren't jobber wrestlers. You can't make a jobber the GM. He has a cult following but to the causual fan he's a loser. Can't make a loser the GM.
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Post by Lionheart on Jun 3, 2007 23:34:49 GMT -5
Can't make a jobber wrestler the GM. It just cheapens the show. This is more entertaining than warriorthug.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jun 3, 2007 23:35:11 GMT -5
Yeah but he wasn't a wrestler. He is also more well know than MVP, CM Punk and Carlito among others was when they debuted. Can't make a jobber wrestler the GM. It just cheapens the show. Actually I think Tommy's batting around .500 now in the New ECW, a lot better than he did in the old one probably. Also, they made Mick Foley, who was at times a glorified jobber (despite being 3-time World Champion), a commissioner so...
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Post by mo on Jun 3, 2007 23:37:06 GMT -5
Psh, they got Stevie over with RTC on WWE Programming, give Dreamer the right storyline and it'll work
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 3, 2007 23:42:48 GMT -5
Can't make a jobber wrestler the GM. It just cheapens the show. This is more entertaining than warriorthug. At least he doesn't disappear when confronted with logical arguments to his illogical ones, like WT does. I'll give him credit there.
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Post by acressl on Jun 3, 2007 23:43:42 GMT -5
This is more entertaining than warriorthug. At least he doesn't disappear when confronted with logical arguments to his illogical ones, like WT does. I'll give him credit there. And really that was part of Warriorthug's magic, wasn't it?
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Post by Swarm on Jun 3, 2007 23:43:51 GMT -5
Yeah but he wasn't a wrestler. He is also more well know than MVP, CM Punk and Carlito among others was when they debuted. Can't make a jobber wrestler the GM. It just cheapens the show. Also, they made Mick Foley, who was at times a glorified jobber (despite being 3-time World Champion), a commissioner so... Comparing Mick Foley to Tommy Dreamer is like comparing a pot of gold to a bowl of spoiled milk somebody took a crap in. jmo.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jun 3, 2007 23:45:48 GMT -5
Also, they made Mick Foley, who was at times a glorified jobber (despite being 3-time World Champion), a commissioner so... Comparing Mick Foley to Tommy Dreamer is like comparing a pot of gold to a bowl of spoiled milk somebody took a crap in. jmo. jmo? you know what I'm just going to let someone else field this bizzare analogy. I'll just say that you are exponentially selling Tommy Dreamer short.
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Post by acressl on Jun 3, 2007 23:46:57 GMT -5
Comparing Mick Foley to Tommy Dreamer is like comparing a pot of gold to a bowl of spoiled milk somebody took a crap in. jmo. jmo? Also...eh... you know what i'm just going to let someone else field the narrow-minded viewpoint you just posted. I just can't believe they likened Mick to a bowl of spoiled milk someone shat in. ;D
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Post by Lionheart on Jun 3, 2007 23:47:08 GMT -5
It's a good thing you keep reminding us that your posts are just your opinion, otherwise someone might get confused and mistake them for divinely inspired truth.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 3, 2007 23:47:29 GMT -5
Also, they made Mick Foley, who was at times a glorified jobber (despite being 3-time World Champion), a commissioner so... Comparing Mick Foley to Tommy Dreamer is like comparing a pot of gold to a bowl of spoiled milk somebody took a crap in. jmo. No, comparing Mick Foley to Dreamer is comparing a guy who was one of the most talented men in the company he worked for, but instead of going for the glory everytime out, busted his ass to put others over unselfishley, to the benefit of everyone he worked for and with, to a guy who was one of the most talented men in the company he worked for, but instead of going for the glory everytime out, busted his ass to put others over unselfishley, to the benefit of everyone he worked for and with, but on a slightly smaller scale.
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Post by Swarm on Jun 3, 2007 23:49:54 GMT -5
Comparing Mick Foley to Tommy Dreamer is like comparing a pot of gold to a bowl of spoiled milk somebody took a crap in. jmo. No, comparing Mick Foley to Dreamer is comparing a guy who was one of the most talented men in the company he worked for, but instead of going for the glory everytime out, busted his ass to put others over unselfishley, to the benefit of everyone he worked for and with, to a guy who was one of the most talented men in the company he worked for, but instead of going for the glory everytime out, busted his ass to put others over unselfishley, to the benefit of everyone he worked for and with, but on a slightly smaller scale. Or a 3 time World Champion who Main Evented Wrestlemania to a WWECW jobber nobody but the IWC knows about.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jun 3, 2007 23:51:03 GMT -5
No, comparing Mick Foley to Dreamer is comparing a guy who was one of the most talented men in the company he worked for, but instead of going for the glory everytime out, busted his ass to put others over unselfishley, to the benefit of everyone he worked for and with, to a guy who was one of the most talented men in the company he worked for, but instead of going for the glory everytime out, busted his ass to put others over unselfishley, to the benefit of everyone he worked for and with, but on a slightly smaller scale. Or a 3 time World Champion who Main Evented Wrestlemania to a WWECW jobber nobody but the IWC knows about. Heh, nobody knows who Tommy Dreamer is, that's a good one.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 3, 2007 23:53:37 GMT -5
No, comparing Mick Foley to Dreamer is comparing a guy who was one of the most talented men in the company he worked for, but instead of going for the glory everytime out, busted his ass to put others over unselfishley, to the benefit of everyone he worked for and with, to a guy who was one of the most talented men in the company he worked for, but instead of going for the glory everytime out, busted his ass to put others over unselfishley, to the benefit of everyone he worked for and with, but on a slightly smaller scale. Or a 3 time World Champion who Main Evented Wrestlemania to a WWECW jobber nobody but the IWC knows about. Wow. I mean... just wow. No one knows who Dreamer is outside of the "IWC". You're too much ,man. Honestly. You realize that Folely's three title reigns come down to less that two months as champ total, right? I consider Foley a personal hero of mine, but even I'll admit he was never more than a glorified main event level jobber used to put other people over. Dreamer was the same way. Honestly, this argument of "If it didn't happen in WWE, it wasn't important and should be completely disregarded" is incredibly ignorant.
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Post by angryfan on Jun 3, 2007 23:54:48 GMT -5
Odd that we're comparing Tommy and Mick now, since the feud the two of them had, as an off-shoot of the Raven feud, was a thing of pure beauty.
Here's the comparison.
One busted his ass internationally for years, bled, worked through injuries, and was rewarded with a WWF/E contract. When he arrived, he was given a push, and shown as importnat.
The other busted his ass internationally for years, bled, worked through injruies, and was rewarded with a WWF/E contraact. When he arrived, he was jobbed to the moon.
Somehow, the fact that one was pushed, and one was not, despite the fact that both are very similar in their approaches, means that one is somehow "more valuable" than the other, based solely on one getting a push, and one not.
Kinda like Terry Taylor and Curt Hennig. Both old school wrestlers, both talented, both good with a mic, and damn good in the ring. Arrived two weeks apart in WWF, one given Mr Perfect, since he got there first, the other given The Red Rooster. Does this mean that Terry Taylor, because he was given a crap gimmick upon arrival, is somehow worthless as a performer?
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 3, 2007 23:56:04 GMT -5
Odd that we're comparing Tommy and Mick now, since the feud the two of them had, as an off-shoot of the Raven feud, was a thing of pure beauty. Here's the comparison. One busted his ass internationally for years, bled, worked through injuries, and was rewarded with a WWF/E contract. When he arrived, he was given a push, and shown as importnat. The other busted his ass internationally for years, bled, worked through injruies, and was rewarded with a WWF/E contraact. When he arrived, he was jobbed to the moon. Somehow, the fact that one was pushed, and one was not, despite the fact that both are very similar in their approaches, means that one is somehow "more valuable" than the other, based solely on one getting a push, and one not. Kinda like Terry Taylor and Curt Hennig. Both old school wrestlers, both talented, both good with a mic, and damn good in the ring. Arrived two weeks apart in WWF, one given Mr Perfect, since he got there first, the other given The Red Rooster. Does this mean that Terry Taylor, because he was given a crap gimmick upon arrival, is somehow worthless as a performer? I hope not, because Taylor, in his prime was, in my opinion, the equal or better of any main eventer of that era as a worker.
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Post by Swarm on Jun 3, 2007 23:56:09 GMT -5
It's a good thing you keep reminding us that your posts are just your opinion, otherwise someone might get confused and mistake them for divinely inspired truth. Ok so you're the douchbag who starts a thread and when someone doesn't agree with you you flame them. Sorry dawg I think your idea sucks. I'm sure I have plenty of ideas that you wouldn't like either...doesn't mean I'd flame you for it. If you can't handle other people's opinions when yoy post what you think no matter how inane they may seem to you without acting like a b*tch maybe you should post what you think.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jun 3, 2007 23:56:46 GMT -5
Odd that we're comparing Tommy and Mick now, since the feud the two of them had, as an off-shoot of the Raven feud, was a thing of pure beauty. Here's the comparison. One busted his ass internationally for years, bled, worked through injuries, and was rewarded with a WWF/E contract. When he arrived, he was given a push, and shown as importnat. The other busted his ass internationally for years, bled, worked through injruies, and was rewarded with a WWF/E contraact. When he arrived, he was jobbed to the moon. Somehow, the fact that one was pushed, and one was not, despite the fact that both are very similar in their approaches, means that one is somehow "more valuable" than the other, based solely on one getting a push, and one not. Kinda like Terry Taylor and Curt Hennig. Both old school wrestlers, both talented, both good with a mic, and damn good in the ring. Arrived two weeks apart in WWF, one given Mr Perfect, since he got there first, the other given The Red Rooster. Does this mean that Terry Taylor, because he was given a crap gimmick upon arrival, is somehow worthless as a performer? I would say no, it would not. The level at which somebody is pushed is not indicative of their fame or ability.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 3, 2007 23:57:55 GMT -5
Odd that we're comparing Tommy and Mick now, since the feud the two of them had, as an off-shoot of the Raven feud, was a thing of pure beauty. Here's the comparison. One busted his ass internationally for years, bled, worked through injuries, and was rewarded with a WWF/E contract. When he arrived, he was given a push, and shown as importnat. The other busted his ass internationally for years, bled, worked through injruies, and was rewarded with a WWF/E contraact. When he arrived, he was jobbed to the moon. Somehow, the fact that one was pushed, and one was not, despite the fact that both are very similar in their approaches, means that one is somehow "more valuable" than the other, based solely on one getting a push, and one not. Kinda like Terry Taylor and Curt Hennig. Both old school wrestlers, both talented, both good with a mic, and damn good in the ring. Arrived two weeks apart in WWF, one given Mr Perfect, since he got there first, the other given The Red Rooster. Does this mean that Terry Taylor, because he was given a crap gimmick upon arrival, is somehow worthless as a performer? I would say no, it would not. The level at which somebody is pushed is not indicative of their fame or ability. Damn straight, Pilot. One of my favorite pro wrestlers of all time, Brad Armstrong was never pushed a day in his life, and now, even past his prime, he could probably wrestle circles around everybody currently employed in the WWE, with maybe a half dozen exceptions.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jun 3, 2007 23:57:56 GMT -5
It's a good thing you keep reminding us that your posts are just your opinion, otherwise someone might get confused and mistake them for divinely inspired truth. Ok so you're the douchbag who starts a thread and when someone doesn't agree with you you flame them. Sorry dawg I think your idea sucks. I'm sure I have plenty of ideas that you wouldn't like either...doesn't mean I'd flame you for it. If you can't handle other people's opinions when yoy post what you think no matter how inane they may seem to you without acting like a b*tch maybe you should post what you think. You do realize you just flamed him...right? I mean, that's what calling someone a "douchebag" is.
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