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Post by angryfan on Jun 4, 2007 0:00:51 GMT -5
I would say no, it would not. The level at which somebody is pushed is not indicative of their fame or ability. Damn straight, Pilot. One of my favorite pro wrestlers of all time, Brad Armstrong was never pushed a day in his life, and now, even past his prime, he could probably wrestle circles around everybody currently employed in the WWE, with maybe a half dozen exceptions. You mentioned Brad Armstrong, which allows me to say this, Bar none, the most beautufully executed Russian leg sweep I have ever seen.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 4, 2007 0:02:06 GMT -5
Damn straight, Pilot. One of my favorite pro wrestlers of all time, Brad Armstrong was never pushed a day in his life, and now, even past his prime, he could probably wrestle circles around everybody currently employed in the WWE, with maybe a half dozen exceptions. You mentioned Brad Armstrong, which allows me to say this, Bar none, the most beautufully executed Russian leg sweep I have ever seen. Dude, I remember one match against Goldberg(he must have lost at least half a dozen of those), where he hit, honestly, the most beautiful Russian leg sweep I've ever seen, period. It was a work of art.
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Post by Swarm on Jun 4, 2007 0:04:15 GMT -5
Or a 3 time World Champion who Main Evented Wrestlemania to a WWECW jobber nobody but the IWC knows about. Wow. I mean... just wow. No one knows who Dreamer is outside of the "IWC". You're too much ,man. Honestly. You realize that Folely's three title reigns come down to less that two months as champ total, right? I consider Foley a personal hero of mine, but even I'll admit he was never more than a glorified main event level jobber used to put other people over. Dreamer was the same way. Honestly, this argument of "If it didn't happen in WWE, it wasn't important and should be completely disregarded" is incredibly ignorant. Seriously...hear me out. All I read about on the IWC boards is how much ECW sucks and how Vince killed ECW and all the ECW fans are gone and hate the show etc... Right? And the old ECW was never on TV...you had to be a super underground hardcore ECW fan to find it... I'm not disputing anything you are saying about TD in ECW...I watched it too...I used to love the guy... but in the new ECW where the main objective is to draw new fans, casual fans...he is jobbed out and played as a joke...he has done nothing in the new ECW and has yet to have a program with anyone on TV that helped develop or explain who "Tommy Dreamer" is to some one like you or the dude who started this thread... People didn't know who Booker T was when he showed up in the WWE and he was freaking WCW Champion...they sure as hell don't know Tommy Dreamer like you do. In the new ECW he's a jobber. That's how casual WWE fan sees him. And you can't make thay guy GM. That's all I'm saying.
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Post by Swarm on Jun 4, 2007 0:05:29 GMT -5
Ok so you're the douchbag who starts a thread and when someone doesn't agree with you you flame them. Sorry dawg I think your idea sucks. I'm sure I have plenty of ideas that you wouldn't like either...doesn't mean I'd flame you for it. If you can't handle other people's opinions when yoy post what you think no matter how inane they may seem to you without acting like a b*tch maybe you should post what you think. You do realize you just flamed him...right? I mean, that's what calling someone a "douchebag" is. Yeah I do it's also called sticking up for myself.
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Post by Tim on Jun 4, 2007 0:05:34 GMT -5
You do realize you just flamed him...right? I mean, that's what calling someone a "douchebag" is. Nothing that nutsack says makes any sense. He claims that nobody outside of the internet knows/cares who Tommy Dreamer is, even though Tommy competed in ECW for almost a decade, works his ass off every time he steps in the ring, and even competed on the grandest stage of them all at this year's Wrestlemania.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jun 4, 2007 0:05:53 GMT -5
...And the old ECW was never on TV...you had to be a super underground hardcore ECW fan to find it... I'm only gonna address this point. Yes, it was on TV. It was on TNN, they didn't promote it, but it was there for a time.
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Post by Lionheart on Jun 4, 2007 0:06:34 GMT -5
Ok so you're the douchbag who starts a thread and when someone doesn't agree with you you flame them. Sorry dawg I think your idea sucks. I'm sure I have plenty of ideas that you wouldn't like either...doesn't mean I'd flame you for it. If you can't handle other people's opinions when yoy post what you think no matter how inane they may seem to you without acting like a b*tch maybe you should post what you think. You do realize you just flamed him...right? I mean, that's what calling someone a "douchebag" is. Careful, you might provoke another ironic temper tantrum.
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Post by Lionheart on Jun 4, 2007 0:07:44 GMT -5
In the new ECW he's a jobber. That's how casual WWE fan sees him. And you can't make thay guy GM. That's all I'm saying. The casual WWE fan won't care who the GM is.
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Post by Swarm on Jun 4, 2007 0:08:16 GMT -5
You do realize you just flamed him...right? I mean, that's what calling someone a "douchebag" is. Careful, you might provoke another ironic temper tantrum. Look...sorry I think your idea sucks balls. Doesn't mean we can't be cool.
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Post by Tim on Jun 4, 2007 0:10:22 GMT -5
And the old ECW was never on TV I watched it too...I used to love the guy... So... you watched the old ECW, yet have apparently never heard of ECW on TNN?
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Post by angryfan on Jun 4, 2007 0:11:14 GMT -5
OK, in terms of "he's never had a program to establish him", I'll agree, he has not. Problem is, there are only 11 guys on the brand, period. I guess 13 if you want to count the Majors Brothers. One never defends the title on the show, or rarely wrestles there (Lashley), two never get air time period (Stevie and Balls), one is stuck with no direction at the moment, thanks the loss of his valet (Thorn), one is squashing the same few guys over and over for no reason (Snitsky), and the rest are feuding with eachother over nothing.
No one on the show has direction. No one on the show has been shown to be more than mid-card, because the "champion" never wrestles there, and the title itself has been defended on the show twice in the last three months.
By the standards set on the ECW TV show, of the roster I mentioned, four are jobbers, one is the champion but is never there, one squashes jobbers for no reason, with no program, and the rest are just "mid-carders" feuding with eachother because they're there. If someone is going to step in and be GM, who? Who has any credibility on that brand? No one.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 4, 2007 0:11:27 GMT -5
So, manager to jobbers=GM material. Sucky heel announcer that's never done anything entertaining=GM material(or at least proxy GM material), but one of the most talented, well liked and well respected members of the roster=not GM material? Wow. That's logic.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 4, 2007 0:12:57 GMT -5
I like it.
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Post by Swarm on Jun 4, 2007 0:13:50 GMT -5
You do realize you just flamed him...right? I mean, that's what calling someone a "douchebag" is. Nothing that nutsack says makes any sense. He claims that nobody outside of the internet knows/cares who Tommy Dreamer is, even though Tommy competed in ECW for almost a decade, works his ass off every time he steps in the ring, and even competed on the grandest stage of them all at this year's Wrestlemania. Maybe saying "nobody" was the wrong choice of words. Very few people know the guy. There are lots of guys who have been working his their asses off for years and who wrestled in ECW who people don't know... ...do you think people really know who Balls Mahoney is? Or Sandman? In the grand scheme of things very few. The ECW fan base was a very tight but very small group of fans. They might know who these guys are by names...heard of them before...but they didn't see them wrestle in ECW... I applaud you sticking up for the guys you like, but the fact is more people know who Virgil is than who Tommy Dreamer is... Sorry if that makes you mad.
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Post by mo on Jun 4, 2007 0:14:25 GMT -5
In the new ECW he's a jobber. That's how casual WWE fan sees him. And you can't make thay guy GM. That's all I'm saying. The casual WWE fan won't care who the GM is. RAW's been without one for God knows how long and they don't seem to care at all I still say it could work, if Creative let it
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Post by Swarm on Jun 4, 2007 0:16:13 GMT -5
And the old ECW was never on TV I watched it too...I used to love the guy... So... you watched the old ECW, yet have apparently never heard of ECW on TNN? Yeah I knew that. What I meant was it was never main steam...Like I said...you had to be a hardcore wrestling fan to have been able to find it... and the majority of what made ECW great was not on TV was my point.
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Post by Lionheart on Jun 4, 2007 0:16:20 GMT -5
Look...sorry I think your idea sucks balls. And I think your arguments against my idea and the way you present them suck, too. I wouldn't have thought, but then you got all worked up. Oh well, your problem, not mine.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jun 4, 2007 0:16:39 GMT -5
Nothing that nutsack says makes any sense. He claims that nobody outside of the internet knows/cares who Tommy Dreamer is, even though Tommy competed in ECW for almost a decade, works his ass off every time he steps in the ring, and even competed on the grandest stage of them all at this year's Wrestlemania. Maybe saying "nobody" was the wrong choice of words. Very few people know the guy. There are lots of guys who have been working his their asses off for years and who wrestled in ECW who people don't know... ...do you think people really know who Balls Mahoney is? Or Sandman? In the grand scheme of things very few. The ECW fan base was a very tight but very small group of fans. They might know who these guys are by names...heard of them before...but they didn't see them wrestle in ECW... I applaud you sticking up for the guys you like, but the fact is more people know who Virgil is than who Tommy Dreamer is... Sorry if that makes you mad. I think we need that "Virgil, Wrestling Superstar" picteure in this thread to point out the inherent logical fallacy.
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Post by Tim on Jun 4, 2007 0:17:08 GMT -5
Swarm:
In one post you say you loved Dreamer, yet in another compare him to a 'bowl of spoiled milk somebody has crapped in'.
Contradict much?
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Post by Swarm on Jun 4, 2007 0:19:18 GMT -5
You wanna know the truth...even if this did happen he would just become the GM who helped Bobby Lashley further overcome the odds and you would all grow to hate him turning him into your next target of mass cyber flaming...
so be happy this won't happen.
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