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Post by Lionheart on Jun 8, 2007 20:23:01 GMT -5
It's been discussed before, but after seeing the Edge/Benoit match, it bears repeating: they have GOT to stop making Edge look like such a totally unskilled wimp if they want to make him a credible champ.
He can be cowardly (to an extent), that's fine. Dirty is good - eye-rakes, low blows, whatever, all expected and maybe even necessary heel stuff. Never hesitating to use a grab of the rope or any other rule he has to do get out of a sticky spot, absolutely OK. Ruthless, willing to do whatever he has to do before and after matches and outside the ring, definitely.
But in actual matches in the ring, he can't go on looking totally outclassed all the time. I counted two actual offensive moves aside from punches and kicks (excluding shoves into the turnbuckles and what-have-you) that Edge had during the whole match: the arm hold and the spear at the end. Pathetic.
And what the heck is with him using the spear all the time? What happened to the Edge-e-Cution/Downward Spiral?
What happened, for that matter, to the Edge that was going toe-to-toe with DX and then Randy Orton in really great matches where he actually mounted an offense just a couple months ago? Now he wins all his matches through cheap rollups or rope-a-doping his opponents into the turnbuckles or just barely squeaking out a stipulation victory after getting physically dominated the entire time.
This is ridiculous.
OK, I'm done ranting now.
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Post by capfan on Jun 8, 2007 20:25:31 GMT -5
He didn't look like a wimp during that match, but Benoit seem to be more aggressive thats all.
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Post by erwxcalibur on Jun 8, 2007 20:26:24 GMT -5
yes, they need a cowardly heel and the way he won the title was the cheapest thing next to the finger poke
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Post by Tyfo on Jun 8, 2007 20:31:31 GMT -5
To piss off the little Cena and Batista marks by making them think he's definatly going to lose, but he somehow out smarts his "much superior" opponent at the end and make them want to see Edge get his ass kicked more.
For me, it just angers me because Im an Edge fan and I know he's WAY more talented then Cena or Batista. And it would be nice from time to time for him to go out in a rage and just kick somebodies ass, instead of cowering and running away.
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Post by BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED! on Jun 8, 2007 20:32:01 GMT -5
I just hate how Cole keeps saying Edge "stole" the title.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jun 8, 2007 20:33:28 GMT -5
I just hate how Cole keeps saying Edge "stole" the title. technically he kinda did by seizing opportunities, but you're right it's not really stealing. At the same time, it's Michael Cole and we have to accept that this is how the WWE thinks their face commentator's mind should work on SD.
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Post by capfan on Jun 8, 2007 20:37:12 GMT -5
I just hate how Cole keeps saying Edge "stole" the title. He really did steal the belt, he took advantage (kayfabe) of a man who was already beaten.
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Post by Ridley on Jun 8, 2007 20:39:19 GMT -5
I've just realised looking at this thread that while Cena overcomes odds Batista gets even(s).
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Post by Tyfo on Jun 8, 2007 20:41:08 GMT -5
I just hate how Cole keeps saying Edge "stole" the title. Your talking about the same guy who just said Benoit was honoring Eddie by doing the triple verticles. Yet when Chavo does it, he's "disrespecting" Eddie.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jun 8, 2007 21:32:09 GMT -5
Vince needs to let Edge grow a pair, and fast or else Batista will look like a bully.
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Post by samachine on Jun 8, 2007 21:33:17 GMT -5
Nope, that's the only way fans will buy that skinny little twerp beating anyone. I mean if Booker had to have a stable to beat a cruiserweight, Edge will survive.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Jun 8, 2007 21:34:15 GMT -5
Vince needs to let Edge grow a pair, and fast or else Batista will look like a bully. And Edge is gonna BEAT HIM UP!
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jun 8, 2007 21:37:44 GMT -5
Vince needs to let Edge grow a pair, and fast or else Batista will look like a bully. And Edge is gonna BEAT HIM UP! WECOMINFOYAANDWEGONNAKNOCKYABLOCKSOFF
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jun 8, 2007 21:39:40 GMT -5
*Batista walks in*
That pair is mine. And come this sunday, I'am gonna be needing them back.
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Post by Warwolf on Jun 8, 2007 21:47:28 GMT -5
This is why I boycott Smackdown. Well, part of why I boycott Smackdown. Edge hasn't changed his persona or moves in two years. Then all of a sudden he does, but he only does so now that he has a belt that he (yes, in kayfabe he actually did) stole from a guy who was already dead on his feet (Pun intended).
I really can't believe I'm saying this because I don't want him anywhere near the Goddamned belt either, but I'm actually starting to MISS seeing Triple H on TV cause even as a heel, he had times where he got clean wins (then again this is cause he was burying everyone, but still!) and at least he wasn't Booker T or JBL or Edge, where he was just pulling cheap win after cheap win after cheap win out of his ass all the time.
EDIT: For those wondering, no I did not watch the show tonight. Haven't watched Smackdown since the "ECW" broadcast when it was announced that Edge won the belt. But just listening to people gripe about how he's being booked makes me more certain than ever that I made the right choice. And wharevet show he moves to, if he still holds any version of the world title, I don't care who else is on it unless it's Kane and they set him up in a feud to rip the belt off of Edge and beat him to a pulp with it, I will boycott.
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Post by Tyfo on Jun 8, 2007 22:00:35 GMT -5
Triple H is the only heel allowed to look tough and get clean wins. And he's not even around, and not even a heel.
Their just preparing for when he does turn again......about 30 seconds after his comeback.
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Post by angryfan on Jun 8, 2007 22:26:17 GMT -5
Nope, that's the only way fans will buy that skinny little twerp beating anyone. I mean if Booker had to have a stable to beat a cruiserweight, Edge will survive. Wait, isn't he like 6'4", 240 or something? That ain't small exactly. In terms of the "stealing" the title argument mentioned, I can see it for two of his title wins, but the one that really threw me off was when he won the three way against RVD and Cena. He beats RVD, who was the champion, yet somehow, JR felt the need to say he "stole" the title from Cena, who wasn't the champion at the time. I get we need a cowardly heel, but in WWE land, there are only three kinds, and that bothers me, since it shows a lack of being able to book any other way. We've got monster heels, coward heels, and Trips. That's it, no smart, but still tough heels. No heels that, while they may cheat, can still back up their words and actually look credible. Well, ok, ONE, but that's it, and, as has been said, he's out injured.
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Post by rra on Jun 8, 2007 22:30:05 GMT -5
All I just know that on tonight's SMACKDOWN episode, Edge got a clean pin...and a pretty good match with Benoit.
My method as I described for this happening on SNME, and a title match...would have been SO MUCH BETTER (fact!) but still, I enjoyed tonight.
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Post by samachine on Jun 8, 2007 22:35:32 GMT -5
Nope, that's the only way fans will buy that skinny little twerp beating anyone. I mean if Booker had to have a stable to beat a cruiserweight, Edge will survive. Wait, isn't he like 6'4", 240 or something? That ain't small exactly. compared to.. basically every other wrestler his body mass looks tiny, and to marks that's not realistic for him to be beating big builky guys.
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Post by angryfan on Jun 8, 2007 22:36:28 GMT -5
All I just know that on tonight's SMACKDOWN episode, Edge got a clean pin...and a pretty good match with Benoit. My method as I described for this happening on SNME, and a title match...would have been SO MUCH BETTER (fact!) but still, I enjoyed tonight. But that couldn't happen. SNME needed Batistaaaaaaaaaaaa, because, well...hell, I'm not sure why it needed him. Probably something to do with them not wanting to pay damages if they pulled him and he threw a massive hissy fit of Nagasaki perportions.
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