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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Jun 8, 2007 22:41:20 GMT -5
This is what pisses me off about WWE. They think they big heels have to cheat and use underhanded tactics to win their matches in order to be huge heels. Yet, WWE has footage of people like Shane Douglas, Roddy Piper, Ric Flair, Curt Hennig, and other people winning match CLEANLY and are still huge heels. They need to start watching some of those tapes in their huge video library.
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Post by Just Jay on Jun 8, 2007 22:57:23 GMT -5
Word. Edge looks like the biggest wuss bag in years so far. Seriously! He cowers over the sight of Batista's shadow. He's not the Undertaker, who he pinned after the briefcase no problem by the way. Jeez!
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Post by kitsunestar on Jun 8, 2007 22:59:10 GMT -5
I really can't believe I'm saying this because I don't want him anywhere near the Goddamned belt either, but I'm actually starting to MISS seeing Triple H on TV cause even as a heel, he had times where he got clean wins (then again this is cause he was burying everyone, but still!) and at least he wasn't Booker T or JBL or Edge, where he was just pulling cheap win after cheap win after cheap win out of his ass all the time. Congratulations, you've fallen into WWE Creative's trap! This is EXACTLY how they WANT you to think. Edge is being made to look like a total wimp so that HHH looks better by proxy. This stinks of Stephanie trying to protect her husband's image... She can't let any heel get over better than The Beast of agHHH.
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Post by Stryfe on Jun 8, 2007 23:53:01 GMT -5
How about Edge isn't that good and you've just got some Rose-colored glasses for his work?
Sorry, Edge is boring. His offense is lack luster, his promos haven't changed since the days 5 minute poses (Heel Edge is Heel edge, unless it's funny Heel Edge, but lacking that, just Heel Edge), and he over plays everything to a point of bordom.
Unless he's in a ring with a Hardy and a Dudley, he's just not that special. A number of guys - Benoit, MVP, Umaga, Shelton, all could have been good choices to elevate to a world title reign, making a new star. But instead, Vince went with Edge, who's best moment was being Not John Cena in Albany last year.
/Christian deserves more props for their E&C work anyway, Edge was the straight man. //Edge's on-and-off camera Shananagins with Matt Hardy made me stop watching wrestling for a good long while.
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Post by Warwolf on Jun 9, 2007 15:41:06 GMT -5
How about Edge isn't that good and you've just got some Rose-colored glasses for his work? Sorry, Edge is boring. His offense is lack luster, his promos haven't changed since the days 5 minute poses (Heel Edge is Heel edge, unless it's funny Heel Edge, but lacking that, just Heel Edge), and he over plays everything to a point of bordom. Unless he's in a ring with a Hardy and a Dudley, he's just not that special. A number of guys - Benoit, MVP, Umaga, Shelton, all could have been good choices to elevate to a world title reign, making a new star. But instead, Vince went with Edge, who's best moment was being Not John Cena in Albany last year. /Christian deserves more props for their E&C work anyway, Edge was the straight man. //Edge's on-and-off camera Shananagins with Matt Hardy made me stop watching wrestling for a good long while. SEE?! I'm not the only one who thinks Edge is boring. Sheesh. I've been saying it for two years now. It's nice to see someone finally see the light.
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Post by Warwolf on Jun 9, 2007 15:44:20 GMT -5
I really can't believe I'm saying this because I don't want him anywhere near the Goddamned belt either, but I'm actually starting to MISS seeing Triple H on TV cause even as a heel, he had times where he got clean wins (then again this is cause he was burying everyone, but still!) and at least he wasn't Booker T or JBL or Edge, where he was just pulling cheap win after cheap win after cheap win out of his ass all the time. Congratulations, you've fallen into WWE Creative's trap! This is EXACTLY how they WANT you to think. Edge is being made to look like a total wimp so that HHH looks better by proxy. This stinks of Stephanie trying to protect her husband's image... She can't let any heel get over better than The Beast of agHHH. Edge looking like a wimp isn't exactly a trap. I haven't been entertained by him in two years plus. The fact is, in the midcard he's tolerable. As a world champion, he's far more boring that he is even in the midcard. Make him a goofy heel like he was when he was with Christian years ago. He might be worth watching then. Cena may not do raps anymore, but at least he tries to shake things up every once in awhile. The stuff he said to Vince is proof positive. Nobody in the last few years has EVER spoken to Vince like that. 'The only reason you're still breathing is because of my patience'. That line was absolutely classic. Vince is being all crazy and stuff and Cena is just shy of openly threatening to kill him. That's great stuff. Edge just doesn't have that kind of capability in his current persona.
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Post by erwxcalibur on Jun 9, 2007 16:25:24 GMT -5
i say it creates a better heel for him to be this cowardly.
hes banging lita and all of that. plus hes arrogant on the mic so hes easy to hate.
if the fans think hes stolen the belt and doesnt deserve it, then i think it builds his heel. it also makes his matches more exciting if the thought is there that he could loose at anytime to a tough opponent.
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Post by wrongnesattax on Jun 9, 2007 17:25:22 GMT -5
i love his smug arrogant heel persona but they should let him do more offense!
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Post by RedSmile on Jun 9, 2007 17:31:32 GMT -5
Wait a minute......
For once a wrestler who isn't all brawn and no brain gets a title, and people 'round these parts have a beef?
Edge is hardly a pansy, the guy got heaps of credit from Cole & JBL about how he is a veteran of TLC and Hardcore matches. JBL also made is VERY clear that Edge is using his brain. to win, and after so many victories you have to stop calling him lucky and start calling him a great champion....
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Post by gmanquik on Jun 9, 2007 17:32:09 GMT -5
I just hate how Cole keeps saying Edge "stole" the title. He really did steal the belt, he took advantage (kayfabe) of a man who was already beaten. And if you had the Money in the Damn Bank, you'd do the exact same thing. I know I would. I'd do what Edge did to Kennedy, then go and do what Edge did to Taker. You would too.
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Post by Edison taps to the ARMBAR! on Jun 9, 2007 18:04:30 GMT -5
Edge destined to to have a Rey Mysterio title run? I hope not. At least Edge gets pwned and wins, Rey just got pwned.
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Post by Warwolf on Jun 9, 2007 18:40:04 GMT -5
Wait a minute...... For once a wrestler who isn't all brawn and no brain gets a title, and people 'round these parts have a beef? Edge is hardly a pansy, the guy got heaps of credit from Cole & JBL about how he is a veteran of TLC and Hardcore matches. JBL also made is VERY clear that Edge is using his brain. to win, and after so many victories you have to stop calling him lucky and start calling him a great champion.... Uh, no, actually, we don't. BENOIT wasn't all brawn and no brains and he won at WrestleMania and made Trips tap for crying out loud. Edge knew he couldn't win against genuinely dangerous competitors for the belt because he ISN'T what you'd call a muscleman, so he just does what every other heel does. He cheats and so on. The problem is, not only have they beat this horse to death (edge waiting till a world champion is practically dead on his feet and sniping the belt in a fluke win), they haven't really done anything to make him grow or evolve as a character, into something that could be entertaining. Booker T's 'King Booker' gimmick bored the stuffing out of me, and I always wanted old 'badass Harlem Heat type heel' Booker as World champion, but at least he made the effort to try to be entertaining. He didn't SUCCEED in my eyes mind you, but he did give it a genuine attempt. As I've said before, Edge is just trying to be that guy on Greg the Bunny's outtake reel who screams "I COULD BE A PSYCHO KILLER!", and it's just not working. Edge isn't using his brain to win. He's just plain running scared and throwing every trick in the book at the wall and hoping something will stick. JBL was almost the same way. Bored the hell out of me, but sometimes he just got a win by pure, stupid luck (IE horrendously bad booking- see the Cage match with Big Show as an example), and his luck ultimately ran out at Wrestlemania 21 when Cena took the belt off him. Edge continued to get lucky and use Lita to his advantage until his luck ran out and he couldn't duck Cena anymore and wound up dropping the belt back to him.
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Post by HRH The KING on Jun 9, 2007 18:47:55 GMT -5
Edge should stop using the "Spear" as a finishing move.
It just doesn't look right.
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Post by Lionheart on Jun 9, 2007 18:51:04 GMT -5
Edge should stop using the "Spear" as a finishing move. It just doesn't look right. I think there should be a moratorium declared on the Spear in general. Everybody bigger than Rey Mysterio is using it, half of them are using it as a finisher, and nobody's the least bit impressed anymore.
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Post by RedSmile on Jun 9, 2007 18:51:43 GMT -5
Wait a minute...... For once a wrestler who isn't all brawn and no brain gets a title, and people 'round these parts have a beef? Edge is hardly a pansy, the guy got heaps of credit from Cole & JBL about how he is a veteran of TLC and Hardcore matches. JBL also made is VERY clear that Edge is using his brain. to win, and after so many victories you have to stop calling him lucky and start calling him a great champion.... Uh, no, actually, we don't. BENOIT wasn't all brawn and no brains and he won at WrestleMania and made Trips tap for crying out loud. Edge knew he couldn't win against genuinely dangerous competitors for the belt because he ISN'T what you'd call a muscleman, so he just does what every other heel does. He cheats and so on. The problem is, not only have they beat this horse to death (edge waiting till a world champion is practically dead on his feet and sniping the belt in a fluke win), they haven't really done anything to make him grow or evolve as a character, into something that could be entertaining. Booker T's 'King Booker' gimmick bored the stuffing out of me, and I always wanted old 'badass Harlem Heat type heel' Booker as World champion, but at least he made the effort to try to be entertaining. He didn't SUCCEED in my eyes mind you, but he did give it a genuine attempt. As I've said before, Edge is just trying to be that guy on Greg the Bunny's outtake reel who screams "I COULD BE A PSYCHO KILLER!", and it's just not working. Edge isn't using his brain to win. He's just plain running scared and throwing every trick in the book at the wall and hoping something will stick. JBL was almost the same way. Bored the hell out of me, but sometimes he just got a win by pure, stupid luck (IE horrendously bad booking- see the Cage match with Big Show as an example), and his luck ultimately ran out at Wrestlemania 21 when Cena took the belt off him. Edge continued to get lucky and use Lita to his advantage until his luck ran out and he couldn't duck Cena anymore and wound up dropping the belt back to him. Edge waits until a champion is dead, and then strikes...thats using his brain. I mean all brawn and no brains as in John Cena, Batista, Lashley, the same type of champions we have had forever now. Benoits title win was how many years ago? And who just beat Benoit last night....with out cheating? He wasn't running scared, he didn't back down last night. He didn't beg off, or run away. I dont want ANOTHER tough guy muscleman, we have dozens of them already. I still do not think Edge is a pansy. The man has been in his share of bloodbaths, and TLC matches. I think he is entertaining. I also think he is pretty damn skilled. I think he can work well with just about anyone on the roster.
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Post by Warwolf on Jun 9, 2007 21:49:44 GMT -5
Uh, no, actually, we don't. BENOIT wasn't all brawn and no brains and he won at WrestleMania and made Trips tap for crying out loud. Edge knew he couldn't win against genuinely dangerous competitors for the belt because he ISN'T what you'd call a muscleman, so he just does what every other heel does. He cheats and so on. The problem is, not only have they beat this horse to death (edge waiting till a world champion is practically dead on his feet and sniping the belt in a fluke win), they haven't really done anything to make him grow or evolve as a character, into something that could be entertaining. Booker T's 'King Booker' gimmick bored the stuffing out of me, and I always wanted old 'badass Harlem Heat type heel' Booker as World champion, but at least he made the effort to try to be entertaining. He didn't SUCCEED in my eyes mind you, but he did give it a genuine attempt. As I've said before, Edge is just trying to be that guy on Greg the Bunny's outtake reel who screams "I COULD BE A PSYCHO KILLER!", and it's just not working. Edge isn't using his brain to win. He's just plain running scared and throwing every trick in the book at the wall and hoping something will stick. JBL was almost the same way. Bored the hell out of me, but sometimes he just got a win by pure, stupid luck (IE horrendously bad booking- see the Cage match with Big Show as an example), and his luck ultimately ran out at Wrestlemania 21 when Cena took the belt off him. Edge continued to get lucky and use Lita to his advantage until his luck ran out and he couldn't duck Cena anymore and wound up dropping the belt back to him. Edge waits until a champion is dead, and then strikes...thats using his brain. I mean all brawn and no brains as in John Cena, Batista, Lashley, the same type of champions we have had forever now. Benoits title win was how many years ago? And who just beat Benoit last night....with out cheating? He wasn't running scared, he didn't back down last night. He didn't beg off, or run away. I dont want ANOTHER tough guy muscleman, we have dozens of them already. I still do not think Edge is a pansy. The man has been in his share of bloodbaths, and TLC matches. I think he is entertaining. I also think he is pretty damn skilled. I think he can work well with just about anyone on the roster. Considering that Edge has to wait till someone is dead on their feet before he tries to win a belt off of someone, I'd call that being a coward, not using your brain. Granted, the character is SUPPOSED to be a coward, but there's a limit to how much of that I'd be willing to put up with. When Edge pulled that stunt when he was on Raw, I would turn off the TV everytime he was on. When "ECW" announced that he'd done it again in pretty much the exact same fashion, I just stopped watching Smackdown altogether. I will do the same with any show he's on until he drops the belt, and manages to win it while perfoming with a persona that doesn't bore the crap out of me.
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Post by Warwolf on Jun 9, 2007 21:50:27 GMT -5
The exception to the above is the Draft, simply to find out which show I need to boycott.
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Post by Just "Dan" is Fine, Thank You on Jun 9, 2007 22:20:26 GMT -5
Considering that Edge has to wait till someone is dead on their feet before he tries to win a belt off of someone, I'd call that being a coward, not using your brain. Why not both? I'd say he's not 100% cowardly, since a real coward champ wouldn't fight long, clean matches.
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Post by Paul Servo on Jun 9, 2007 22:28:48 GMT -5
He was going up against Benoit. It's not like he was in the ring with Funaki.
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Post by The Ichi on Jun 9, 2007 23:06:35 GMT -5
Edge doesn't even need to be a complete coward, he just needs to use the smart and oppurtunistic side to him to win matches (like his win against Benoit). I'd really just prefer him as a super cocky, controversial jerk heel. His wimpering and cowering towards Batista is just bad booking.
No matter, he's still the best heel in the WWE.
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