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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2007 20:51:53 GMT -5
Personally, I have lost all respect for the man, but I still have a lot of respect for the performer.
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Post by rra on Jun 26, 2007 20:51:58 GMT -5
I hate Benoit even more, Led into beleiving he's a great guy. Killing his wife, then of all things a 7 year old child. Benoit is one of the greatest technical wrestlers that Professional Wrestling ever known...arguably the best of this era. But as a person, he can burn in hell.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 26, 2007 20:52:21 GMT -5
I can't bring myself to hate Benoit. While repulsed by his actions, especially the killing of his little boy, I would prefer to think of him as a good man who took a wrong turn somewhere and wasn't in his right mind at the end. I hope him, Nancy and Daniel are at peace somewhere. agreed 100% even with what happened Wrestlemania XX will ALWAYS be a fond moment. THAT is the Benoit I want to remember Damn straight. I WANT to remember Benoit triumphantly holding up the belt in the shower of confetti. That's how I hope I remember Benoit, not for these circumstances.
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Post by Edison taps to the ARMBAR! on Jun 26, 2007 20:52:25 GMT -5
The true turning point for me will be if they prove it was premeditated or just a burst of anger/rage/depression/delusion etc. From the info I read about his wife asking for a restraining order several years ago to her being tied up and what not leads me to feel very uneasy about the character of Benoit as a human being.
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Post by fg76 on Jun 26, 2007 20:52:37 GMT -5
I like to know how much WWE did know, but I still don't blame them for airing the show last night.
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Mr. Mediocre
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Post by Mr. Mediocre on Jun 26, 2007 20:52:53 GMT -5
I've lost a lot of respect for Benoit myself. I'm not sure "hate" is the appropriate term for what I feel since I loved him for a good 12 years but my opinion on him has changed drastically in the last 24 hours.
I can't reconcile that a man I enjoyed so thoroughly for so long did what he did. I can't. And I guess, now that I think about it, I do hate him for it. You guys are definitely entitled to respect everything he did, but now when I see Benoit clips here and there, I'm not going to be able to enjoy them like I used to.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Jun 26, 2007 20:53:19 GMT -5
For some reason, I keep thinking about George Reeves. I mean, it must have been a real shock for kids in the 1950s to hear that Superman had killed himself; but I could never comprehend who those kids could have felt until now. You have a guy, Chris Benoit, who people looked up to like Superman, and then he does something so horrible. It's just a huge shock. Kids were depressed, and a lot of people refused to believe that Reeves killed himself. Everyone saw him as Superman, and, basically, Superman had killed himself. People couldn’t accept the fact that Superman had given up on life and commit suicide. That’s not something Superman would ever do. But, the thing is that George Reeves was not Superman. He was just a man, an actor who wanted to be famous and have a great career. However, he got the role of Superman; and people couldn’t separate Reeves from the role. And, he had difficulty finding work because of it. Then, he fell into a depression and killed himself. That’s the sad truth.
Though the situations are different, they still have their similarities. Reeves was a depressed, and his depression got the better of him. And, now it seems that Benoit let his anger get the best of him. It also seems Benoit had some mental problems, which most likely wasn’t helped by the painkillers and steroids. That’s the sad reality. What’s also sad is that some people have let 22 years of great wrestling memories that Benoit gave to the wrestling world be erased by one horrible action. People today are doing what people of the 1950s did back then: they aren’t separating the character from the man. Now, I know there is much of a difference between the two; but wrestling is fake. The people who participate in it are playing characters. Mark Calloway is not really “The Undertaker.” Glenn Jacobs is not really “Kane.” Steve Borden is not really “Sting.” And, now it is quite obvious that Chris Benoit is not really “Chris Benoit.”
Basically, what I’m trying to say is that I can’t condone the actions of what the real Benoit has done. However, I’m not going let his actions keep me from enjoying his wrestling career; I still respect and admire the wrestling character “Chris Benoit.” It only seems right for me as I still say that O.J. Simpson was a football player despite the fact that he has been accused of murdering two people and that Michael Jackson was a great musician despite the fact he has been accused of molesting underage minors. I hate to be cliché, but they say time heals all wounds. Well, over the years, people have begun to separate how George Reeves died with his career. I’m pretty sure people will then separate O.J.’s trial with the football player who won the Heisman Trophy and rushed 2,003 yards in one NFL season and separate Wacko Jacko the pedophile with the artists who gave us Thriller and Off The Wall. And, hopefully, eventually, the terrible thing Benoit has done will be separated from The Rabid Wolverine and former World Heavyweight Champion.
Now, I know this won’t be a popular view, and some of you will not like what I have posted; but I honestly do not give a f***. You can hate me, you can flame me, you can do whatever the f*** you want to do. I will not care, and I’m just going to ignore you. This is just how I feel and wanted to get off my chest.
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Post by bigstamp2382 on Jun 26, 2007 20:53:27 GMT -5
No, I hate any sort of child killer. Yes I said it, ban me all you want mods, but I cannot forgive that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2007 20:53:34 GMT -5
The true turning point for me will be if they prove it was premeditated or just a burst of anger/rage/depression/delusion etc. From the info I read about his wife asking for a restraining order several years ago to her being tied up and what not leads me to feel very uneasy about the character of Benoit as a human being. If they reveal it as premeditated, I'm gonna lose it.
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Post by Edison taps to the ARMBAR! on Jun 26, 2007 20:54:27 GMT -5
I've lost a lot of respect for Benoit myself. I'm not sure "hate" is the appropriate term for what I feel since I loved him for a good 12 years but my opinion on him has changed drastically in the last 24 hours. I can't reconcile that a man I enjoyed so thoroughly for so long did what he did. I can't. And I guess, now that I think about it, I do hate him for it. You guys are definitely entitled to respect everything he did, but now when I see Benoit clips here and there, I'm not going to be able to enjoy them like I used to. Hate is something we should not feel for Benoit or any human being in general. Only loving kindness and compassion for all people should be extended out into the world. This is the way to true peace for all people.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 26, 2007 20:54:54 GMT -5
Excellent post Hulk. Especially the George Reeves comparison
though I disagree with some of the sentiments, it was well thought out.
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Post by W?Y on Jun 26, 2007 20:54:57 GMT -5
Guys, I'm really confused right now (yes, I know we all are), but can someone please help me out. Do we know why, or do we know of a motive as to why?
If possible, what is the general consensus on these events? Personally, I can't seem to bring myself to hate Benoit after what he's done, but I feel like I'm not thinking clearly by being in this mind-set. I'm not asking to be convinced, but can someone re-cap what's happened?
I don't know, my mind is everywhere.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 26, 2007 20:55:42 GMT -5
I've lost a lot of respect for Benoit myself. I'm not sure "hate" is the appropriate term for what I feel since I loved him for a good 12 years but my opinion on him has changed drastically in the last 24 hours. I can't reconcile that a man I enjoyed so thoroughly for so long did what he did. I can't. And I guess, now that I think about it, I do hate him for it. You guys are definitely entitled to respect everything he did, but now when I see Benoit clips here and there, I'm not going to be able to enjoy them like I used to. Hate is something we should not feel for Benoit or any human being in general. Only loving kindness and compassion for all people should be extended out into the world. This is the way to true peace for all people. Dude, I feel like we should hug, but that might be akward. I completely agree.
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Post by kunswwfmark on Jun 26, 2007 20:55:58 GMT -5
Ok, I have a slightly odd belief as to what may have been going through Benoit's mind when he decided to take the life of his son. Nancy was already dead, and maybe when Chris came to the realization as to what he had done, he decided he would kill himself. But instead of leaving his child as an orphan, in Benoit's demented mind, he decided to take the child with he and Nancy to spare the child from any sort of media attention or horrific memories of his father.
I know it sounds really messed up, but maybe in Chris's mind he didn't kill his son out of anger or malice, but in an effort to "protect" him. Again, I realize it sounds insane, but looking at it from this perspective may explain why on earth he took the life of his son before taking his own and explain why Bibles were found next to both bodies.
Of course, maybe it's just another way to rationalize the entire situation.
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Post by fg76 on Jun 26, 2007 20:56:06 GMT -5
I feel sorry for Benoit, but at the same time I hope the b*****d burns in hell for what he did. The WWE was trying to cover their ass when they discovered a real death when they were to continue to book a fake one; and now they might really be in deep doo-doo -- but the media isn't helping. Hell even postive media like Steve Czaben can't help the sport, because he still thinks the Dudley Boyz work for the WWE.
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Post by Main Event Mark on Jun 26, 2007 20:56:33 GMT -5
www.wwe.com/inside/news/chrisbenoittimelineWWE/Chris Benoit timeline Written: June 26, 2007 On Saturday, June 23, Chris Benoit was slated to appear at a WWE live event in Beaumont, Texas. That afternoon, Benoit contacted WWE to inform them that his wife and child were ill, and that he would not be able to attend the show. WWE executives rebooked Benoit’s flight for the following morning, allowing Benoit to miss the Beaumont event making alternate arrangements for him to attend the pay-per-view event in Houston on Sunday. WWE employees attempted to confirm with Benoit his travel plans but were unable to contact him. Early Sunday morning, between 3:51 and 3:58 a.m., Benoit sent five text messages to co-workers: Text Message 1 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53am)- Chris Benoit’s cell phone “My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayetteville Georgia. 30215” Text Message 2 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53am)- Chris Benoit’s cell phone “The dogs are in the enclosed pool area. Garage side door is open” Text Message 3 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:54am)- Nancy Benoit’s cell phone “My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215” Text Message 4 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:55am)- Nancy Benoit’s cell phone “My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215" Text Message 5 to one co-worker (sent 6/24 at 3:58am)- Nancy Benoit’s cell phone “My address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215” Throughout the day on Sunday, WWE made numerous attempts to contact Benoit both at home and at local hospitals in the Atlanta area. As of 11:00 p.m., WWE officials were unable to establish contact with Chris Benoit. At 12:30 p.m. on Monday, June 25, WWE officials were notified of the text messages sent to the co-workers the previous day. By 12:45 p.m., WWE had contacted Fayetteville County Sheriff’s office requesting they check on the Benoit family. Fayetteville County Sheriffs office made contact with WWE at approximately 4:00 p.m. advising that they had entered the house of Chris Benoit and found three deceased bodies – an adult male, adult female and a male child. WWE was told that Benoit’s home was now considered a major crime scene. The decision to cancel the live event scheduled in Corpus Christi that night was made between 4:00 and 5:00 p.m. In keeping with company policy, and with limited knowledge regarding facts of the case, WWE choose to air a memorial dedicated to the career of Chris Benoit. As facts emerged surrounding the case, all tributes to Chris Benoit were removed both on-air and on WWE.com.
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Post by briant1 on Jun 26, 2007 20:56:34 GMT -5
Dan Abrahams is clueless...and worse, instead of asking the right questions to divulge some sort of answer to the madness.............he asked whatever questions in order to get the desired answer that he had in mind before the show even began. Thats the problem with the news media. Whats sad is, Abrahams basically is the "booker" of the MSNBC news division now as a producer (and filling in when the show hosts time to time). I mean, look at Bret Hart. He couldn't believe it. We as fans couldn't believe it. Abrahams made him out to be like Cutts' friends in that whole other unrelated story. As for the fiasco of last night, WWE didn't know. We didn't know. Hell, it was until WWE confirmed the murder-suicide that I accepted it as fact.....which was at what, 10 or 11 PM last night? (or was it? Correction please?) Fact was, that stuff was taped and roughly planned for broadcast before WWE knew of the situation behind Benoit's death. Let me tell you folks. If Vince McMahon and WWE knew of it before the tribute aired, they would have PULLED THE DAMN PLUG. I am sure of it. Really, this IS a worse situation than Owen's death. This is worse than the steroid trial in the early 1990s. This is the worst situation that WWE has faced yet PR-wise. I agree. Especially because the media is portraying them as a company who had a 3-hour tribute for a "murderer". Right now the Tribute show is the least of the WWE's problems, this is worse than a black eye this is a heart attack.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jun 26, 2007 20:56:35 GMT -5
Mark David Chapman is a name that brings severe anger to me when I think of Lennon. I can't be mad at Yoko.
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Post by glassplate on Jun 26, 2007 20:56:49 GMT -5
This Benoit crap is RIDICULOUS
A) Kills Vince storyline
B) Kills his entire family
C) Media Frenzy
D) Hurts Kayfabe
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Post by Sephiroth on Jun 26, 2007 20:57:19 GMT -5
While not entirely related, I find myself wondering if this tragedy, and any scandal that may follow, could lead to WWE having to overhaul its health program. They were forced to start enforcing drug testing (though how strict is questionable) after the steroid trial of the 90's. Could this lead to them having to enforce psychological testing? Could wrestler's have to submit to a session with a shrink every now and then, just to ensure that they are still playing with a full deck of cards? If the stories I have heard leaking out are true, it is a definite possibility.
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