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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jun 26, 2007 21:05:36 GMT -5
Then i would sugjest going to your profile options and turning off your ability to view signitures if it bugs you that much. But why is it allowed? I would have been banned if I had a signiture with Cho after the VT killings right? Why is having some other murderer ok? Because Benoit took a lot of chunks out of a lot of us down with him. A lot of us mourn not only the loss of these peoples lives but mourn the loss of an entertainer, the person be damned.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2007 21:06:17 GMT -5
Then i would sugjest going to your profile options and turning off your ability to view signitures if it bugs you that much. But why is it allowed? I would have been banned if I had a signiture with Cho after the VT killings right? Why is having some other murderer ok? The people with Benoit in their signature are trying to put forth the message that they want to remember Chris Benoit as the legendary wrestler and not the man who murdered his family, as hard as that is to do. If Cho was one of my close friends and he shot up a school, I would have him in my sig because of our friendship.
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Post by rra on Jun 26, 2007 21:06:25 GMT -5
Not a single person here is disputing that. No one. Just because you're comfortable hating the man doesn't mean some of the rest of us are. See, I think a lot of people are just kind of sticking up for him and using the old religious "turn the other cheek" cliche on him because you liked him as a wrestler. If it had been some average shcmoe that did this, nobody would be saying "Oh we shouldn't hate him... etc etc etc". But I'm with bigstamp, Nancy and the kid were the REAL victims here. Absolutely mate. I think many of us wish it was a triple homicide or roid rage or whatever excuse to get away from the seemingly clear fact now that Benoit didn't do all this at the heat of the moment or was intoxicated. OVER A WEEKEND! What makes me sick is, I had posted this heart-warming memorial thread to Benoit at another website where I wrote my love letter to his great career. Now after learning that he killed his own family, I feel like such an accomplice of a lackey. I almost want to ralph.
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Post by HoagieWithPastrami on Jun 26, 2007 21:06:32 GMT -5
As of right now for respect to others I will take my sig down. However, I am entitled to my opinion. Somewhere inside me I would like to believe that something horrible happened that led Chris to do this. I realize there is no excuse for killing a kid. Lastly I would like to believe that Chris just wasn't himself for these last few days before these tragic events.. In any case I hope the Benoit family is at peace wherever they are now. And something happened to OJ that made him kill his ex-wife and her friend too. But that doesn't mean I'm going to pay tribute to the douche just because he was a good football player.
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Post by bigstamp2382 on Jun 26, 2007 21:07:20 GMT -5
But remember. Woman was also an entertainer, and in the business for a LONG time, and she's dead wrongfully. We as FANS should respect what happened to her and her child, and really tone down the missing of Chris.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2007 21:07:37 GMT -5
As of right now for respect to others I will take my sig down. However, I am entitled to my opinion. Somewhere inside me I would like to believe that something horrible happened that led Chris to do this. I realize there is no excuse for killing a kid. Lastly I would like to believe that Chris just wasn't himself for these last few days before these tragic events.. In any case I hope the Benoit family is at peace wherever they are now. And something happened to OJ that made him kill his ex-wife and her friend too. But that doesn't mean I'm going to pay tribute to the douche just because he was a good football player. Well then you don't have to.
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Post by rra on Jun 26, 2007 21:08:49 GMT -5
You know whats the one feeling that I'm surprised no one else has talked about? Yes I was shocked and upset...and horrified, but you know what FEELING that is dominating my flesh and soul right now? I feel BETRAYED. Benoit was my personal favorite wrestler back in the day, when he and Malenko, Jericho, Eddie G and others wrestled against the glass ceiling of WCW on Saturday Nights. He made wrestling look like a legitimate sport. Like Hart, he made it seem more sport than entertainment. And even as I grew up up to sunday night, I pictured him as a role model of professionalism in skill and in personality behind the scenes. Chris Benoit was what wrestling should be. But he kills his wife and sufficated his own boy....he betrayed me. He betrayed all his fans, he betrayed his own son, and he betrayed me like in a feeling like as if it was a family member doing such a horrible deed. God damn you. Funny how you can take a horrible thing like this and make it about what he did to you. Seems more people are upset about him not being the squeaky clean hero they wanted him to be than the actual terrible act he comitted. That post seems very selfish to me. Yes its selfish, and its honest. Thats why I hate Benoit to hell. The monster killed his own family, and he made me and others feel like lackeys for ever praising his ring work...and his character. You understand betrayal?
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Post by rra on Jun 26, 2007 21:09:26 GMT -5
But remember. Woman was also an entertainer, and in the business for a LONG time, and she's dead wrongfully. We as FANS should respect what happened to her and her child, and really tone down the missing of Chris. You're damn right.
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Post by W?Y on Jun 26, 2007 21:09:57 GMT -5
As of right now for respect to others I will take my sig down. However, I am entitled to my opinion. Somewhere inside me I would like to believe that something horrible happened that led Chris to do this. I realize there is no excuse for killing a kid. Lastly I would like to believe that Chris just wasn't himself for these last few days before these tragic events.. In any case I hope the Benoit family is at peace wherever they are now. Thanks, brother. I agree.
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Post by unit on Jun 26, 2007 21:10:17 GMT -5
Nobody is ever going to know what really happened as all the witnesses are gone. Let me throw out a scenario and see what you think. Benoit and Nancy are engaged in marital relations. Things get a little rough and Nancy wants erotic asphyxiation which ends up going to far. Now Benoits knows he will never be able to explain this to anyone. He decides to end his own life rather than go to prison. He doesn't want to have his son go through life having lost his mother and his father, so he incorrectly decides to do him in as well. Obviously, this is just a scenario and not one that I even believe, but you never know whats going on until you walk a mile in someone elses shoes.
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Post by LuckyD 8402 on Jun 26, 2007 21:10:27 GMT -5
Everyone talking about remembering Benoit for his celebration in the ring at the end of Wrestlemania is a nice little thought, until you see the innocent little child looking up to his father, the father that took his chance of living his dreams like Benoit was able to do.
He's scum and it hurts my heart immensely to type that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2007 21:10:40 GMT -5
I'm not sure how to react to all this, except one thing: thank you to everyone for their comments during this time. Thanks for the mods for handling this properly. I'm trying to understand this situation and I'm filled with so many conflicting emotions, emotion that I know you guys share too. So thanks to everyone in this community for making this difficult time a little easier.
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Post by #Classic Hi-Definition X on Jun 26, 2007 21:11:28 GMT -5
Enough arguing. If some people here want to honor Chris Benoit the WRESTLER, that's their choice. If you don't, that's fine too, but don't expect everyone to fall in line with what you want.
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Post by rra on Jun 26, 2007 21:12:04 GMT -5
Nobody is ever going to know what really happened as all the witnesses are gone. Let me throw out a scenario and see what you think. Benoit and Nancy are engaged in marital relations. Things get a little rough and Nancy wants erotic asphyxiation which ends up going to far. Now Benoits knows he will never be able to explain this to anyone. He decides to end his own life rather than go to prison. He doesn't want to have his son go through life having lost his mother and his father, so he incorrectly decides to do him in as well. Obviously, this is just a scenario and not one that I even believe, but you never know whats going on until you walk a mile in someone elses shoes. With your theory, he STILL killed his kid deliberetely. We loved Benoit as a wrestler, but the denials must stop.
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Post by glassplate on Jun 26, 2007 21:12:19 GMT -5
Well, I'm over this
He's a child and wife murderer. He doesn't deserve to be talked about a second more.
Great wrestler though. He really could make you think it's real.
Breaks my heart but facts are facts
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jun 26, 2007 21:12:26 GMT -5
Do they know if Carbon Monoxide was in Nancy and Daniels systems or has that been ruled out?
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Post by bigstamp2382 on Jun 26, 2007 21:12:55 GMT -5
Definatly ruled out.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jun 26, 2007 21:12:59 GMT -5
There are feelings of disillusionment, of betrayal, of disappointment, and of utter shock permeating amongst myself, my fellow crappers, and wrestling fans in general over the last couple of days. The sad facts of the tragedy involving the late Chris Benoit and his unfortunate family.
It is hard to put to words the devastating effects of this sad situation. The George Reeves comparison hit things right on the head. In the eyes of wrestling fans, the image of Chris Benoit standing in the ring, confetti raining down, championship belt held high overhead was forever a testament to the rewards of hard work, persistence, and dedication. His close friendships with other wrestlers such as Dean Malenko, Chris Jericho, and Eddie Guerrero stood as touching example of the human nature of the men who we watch and cheer. However, this travesty has reminded us in more stark terms of the volatile quality of that human nature.
Violence outside the ring is nothing new. The legal troubles of men like Jimmy Snuka and Steve Austin are well documented. And as heinous as such crimes as they committed are, no one has ever previously reached such dark depths of violence and outrage as the unfolding situation of Chris Benoit has. It has reached us all in a very personal way, to the point that we almost feel as if we have lost some of our faith in the rest of the world.
The sad facts of this situation have opened our eyes, and then shadowed them over. I can but express my sincerest hope that we will all be able to banish this shadow away, and renew our faith in each other and in the men who we have so enjoyed watching entertain us for so long.
In the end, I say God rest the souls of Chris Benoit's family. And may whatever personal demons haunted this man that compelled him to such a horrible action never fall upon anyone else.
Amen.
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Post by NIXON on Jun 26, 2007 21:13:33 GMT -5
Funny how you can take a horrible thing like this and make it about what he did to you. Seems more people are upset about him not being the squeaky clean hero they wanted him to be than the actual terrible act he comitted. That post seems very selfish to me. Yes its selfish, and its honest. Thats why I hate Benoit to hell. The monster killed his own family, and he made me and others feel like lackeys for ever praising his ring work...and his character. You understand betrayal? Why? Did his ring work get worse? He was a great, entertaining wrestler. His ring work should be praised. I would pose that question to myself if I were you. If you feel betrayed by this guy, who you didn't know on any personal level then you don't understand the word at all. You base your opinions of the man on a character he plays on TV, and when he isn't that man, he has stuck a knife in your back? I bet you cried for a week when you found out Gilligan was a pot head and lived in a land locked state huh? I'm sorry, i'm really not trying to be a dick here, but making this tragedy about you is really not cool.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 26, 2007 21:14:21 GMT -5
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