The Benoit thread - all posts re: Benoit go here

[eman528]

who said:

I'm sorry but using the Crossface on him would be torture for the kid and a horrible way to die. That just seems way too violent to do to his own son. That just doesn't seem right and if it is true then Benoit has become even more of a scum in my book.

I don't know, the crosface always looked to me like more of a very weak camel clutch and I always thought it probably wouldnt REALLY hurt that much (like a sleaper or cobra clutch dosent really do anything at all). Do you really think it could kill someone? It may just be a choke.

[Spankymac is sick of the swiss]

Wow, I love that the word "Crossface" is even mentioned, and now that's 100% certain what did it. The writer just slipped that into the article after the "Chokehold" part so people would jump to that conclusion. And they did.

[Parrish]

jzbadblood said:

What happens if this was a set-up? I mean, they say Benoit was paranoid and he thought someone was following him? What if this whole thing was made to look like Benoit did it?

I think thats wishful thinking

[Vice honcho room temperature]

jzbadblood said:

What happens if this was a set-up? I mean, they say Benoit was paranoid and he thought someone was following him? What if this whole thing was made to look like Benoit did it?

Than the guy is very good at framing murder scenes.

[bigstamp2382]

jzbadblood said:

What happens if this was a set-up? I mean, they say Benoit was paranoid and he thought someone was following him? What if this whole thing was made to look like Benoit did it?

We don't need anymore conspiracy theories.

[Aceorton]

"A chokehold," Ballard said, "was used to strangle the boy rather than hands, because there's no bruising consistent with a strangling by hands."

Benoit's signature match-ending hold was called the "cross-face crippler," where he'd cross his arms at an opponent's chin, pulling the head backward.

These two paragraphs appear to be the sole reason everyone is speculating that the Crossface was used to kill the child. PLEASE STOP. This is just lousy, lousy reporting, with the writer inexplicably attempting to make the connection to Benoit's finisher by mentioning it in the next paragraph. There's no evidence. It's actually contradictory, since the Crossface isn't a chokehold. The writer is just trying to stir speculation in the absence of real details, which unfortunately we're probably never going to have.

[jzbadblood]

vampiro said:

jzbadblood said:

What happens if this was a set-up? I mean, they say Benoit was paranoid and he thought someone was following him? What if this whole thing was made to look like Benoit did it?

Okay, since we're speaking of paranoid delusions...

Hey, you never know. Stranger things have happened. Wouldn't it be the perfect way to destroy his family man reputation along with anything he ever did in the ring?

[vampiro]

chuckymac314 said:

Wow, I love that the word "Crossface" is even mentioned, and now that's 100% certain what did it. The writer just slipped that into the article after the "Chokehold" part so people would jump to that conclusion. And they did.

THANK YOU for finally pointing that out. I thought I was the only one who noticed how the thread jumped that way. I really, really doubt it.

[vampiro]

aceorton said:

"A chokehold," Ballard said, "was used to strangle the boy rather than hands, because there's no bruising consistent with a strangling by hands."

Benoit's signature match-ending hold was called the "cross-face crippler," where he'd cross his arms at an opponent's chin, pulling the head backward.

These two paragraphs appear to be the sole reason everyone is speculating that the Crossface was used to kill the child. PLEASE STOP. This is just lousy, lousy reporting, with the writer inexplicably attempting to make the connection to Benoit's finisher by mentioning it in the next paragraph. There's no evidence. It's actually contradictory, since the Crossface isn't a chokehold. The writer is just trying to stir speculation in the absence of real details, which unfortunately we're probably never going to have.

Like I said, that's journalism.

[bigstamp2382]

At this point, I don't care what he did in the ring. The ring isn't greater than the life of a woman and a seven year old boy.

[Mr. Mediocre]

chuckymac314 said:

Wow, I love that the word "Crossface" is even mentioned, and now that's 100% certain what did it. The writer just slipped that into the article after the "Chokehold" part so people would jump to that conclusion. And they did.

I'm just going based on the fact that someone said chokemarks that aren't consistent with use of the hands.

Regardless, you're probably right. It's hard not to get swept up in everything that gets reported right now.

[Spankymac is sick of the swiss]

vampiro said:

chuckymac314 said:

Wow, I love that the word "Crossface" is even mentioned, and now that's 100% certain what did it. The writer just slipped that into the article after the "Chokehold" part so people would jump to that conclusion. And they did.

THANK YOU for finally pointing that out. I thought I was the only one who noticed how the thread jumped that way. I really, really doubt it.

Yeah, the trend was just getting really annoying, so I had to say something.

[Old School Heel mark4Morishima]

vampiro said:

THANK YOU for finally pointing that out. I thought I was the only one who noticed how the thread jumped that way. I really, really doubt it.

I assumed it was probably a sleeper.

[glassplate]

Amityville horror shit right here

[sonofkwang]

gitcommand said:

bindergang said:

Source? None of this "other website" crap.

Link to the wikipedia history log:
en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chris_Benoit&limit=500&action=history

Should be near the bottom of the page if it hasn't been bumped off by the time you look at it.

Link to the revision posted by that user:
en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chris_Benoit&oldid=140442953


Here is an excerpt from the Wikipedia history log:
(cur) (last) 00:48, 25 June 2007 JAB5 (Talk | contribs) (51,547 bytes) (Need a reliable source. Saying that his wife died is a pretty big statement, you need to back it up with something.)
(cur) (last) 00:01, 25 June 2007 69.120.111.23 (Talk) (51,566 bytes) (¨2006-2007)

I have my wikipedia preferences set to Eastern time, so it may show up as a different time (4:01) depending on your time zone setting.

I checked the other wikipedia revisions made by that IP address (69.120.111.23), an it was interesting that their revisions included the "Government" section of "Naugatuck, Connecticut". However, some ISPs reuse IP addresses, so it could have been an entirely different user.

Wow!

[Parrish]

jzbadblood said:

vampiro said:

Okay, since we're speaking of paranoid delusions...

Hey, you never know. Stranger things have happened. Wouldn't it be the perfect way to destroy his family man reputation along with anything he ever did in the ring?

Why would anyone give a damn about destroying his reputation in the ring? Basic fact, the man was a disturbed individual, he put his family through hell over the weekend before killing them, and then the coward took his own life. I dont care how good the man was in the ring, there is no excuse for what this P.O.S. did.

[Joe Neglia]

aceorton said:

"A chokehold," Ballard said, "was used to strangle the boy rather than hands, because there's no bruising consistent with a strangling by hands."

Benoit's signature match-ending hold was called the "cross-face crippler," where he'd cross his arms at an opponent's chin, pulling the head backward.

These two paragraphs appear to be the sole reason everyone is speculating that the Crossface was used to kill the child. PLEASE STOP. This is just lousy, lousy reporting, with the writer inexplicably attempting to make the connection to Benoit's finisher by mentioning it in the next paragraph. There's no evidence. It's actually contradictory, since the Crossface isn't a chokehold. The writer is just trying to stir speculation in the absence of real details, which unfortunately we're probably never going to have.

Actually, have to agree with you to an extent there, since I was the one who initially brought this to the board to begin with. Again, it appears to have been something similar, and the journalist couldn't quite make it work, so just threw them together in a linking.

[EJS]

What article is this with the "crossface" mention?

[bigstamp2382]

Parrish for the win.

[derekd]

What you're seeing now and what you've been seeing for the past two days and what you're going to continue seeing for a while is journalists irresponsibly citing aspects of wrestling as the causes/tools of a double murder suicide. They do this to sensationalize and create fear and panic, and you are playing their game by reacting to it as if it is truth. You are here, so chances are, you are smarter than that. Please stop.