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Post by sunwukong on Jun 28, 2007 1:54:55 GMT -5
this is just something that i'm still fighting to deal with. i know, i know, i never knew benoit and all. but i watched the man on TV for years, i watched him from ECW till now. and NEVER saw it comming. this is something so foriegn to me. and andy, we all know you're not condoning benoit's actions. but simply what i was saying is that you're trying to protect his legacy. and i just dont agree with that at all His wrestling legacy should not be affected. Just because it seems more and more like with every passing minute, Benoit was a crapty person, it doesn't suddenly make him a crapty wrestler. But the reality is that the WWE is a corporation that has PR to worry about.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 28, 2007 1:55:15 GMT -5
People who smurfing lose it still have brains. Their brains aren't in the right spot, but they still have them. It's all pressure man. To much pressure on himself & his whole family. true. i dont know. i just cant find it in myself to have respect for him. or give two craps about him after all of this. he's officially lower than scum in my opinion. but i've got a very strong opinion on someone who would kill a child or woman. No one is asking you to respect him.
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Jun 28, 2007 1:55:22 GMT -5
this is just something that i'm still fighting to deal with. i know, i know, i never knew benoit and all. but i watched the man on TV for years, i watched him from ECW till now. and NEVER saw it comming. this is something so foriegn to me. and andy, we all know you're not condoning benoit's actions. but simply what i was saying is that you're trying to protect his legacy. and i just dont agree with that at all His wrestling legacy should not be affected. Just because it seems more and more like with every passing minute, Benoit was a crapty person, it doesn't suddenly make him a crapty wrestler. he was an amazing wrestler. but which is more important? his "legacy" and "skills" or the fact that he did what he did? its all about priorities.
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Post by iwchater on Jun 28, 2007 1:55:35 GMT -5
and i'd love to blame this on benoit going crazy. i really would. like i said, he was my favorite for years. but theres so much evidece that he didnt. the bibles, the chokehold, the time between nancy and daniels deaths... its just hard to believe he simply lost it. he thought this out and knew what he was doing. it just really bothers me that no one will ever know why he did it. see, those are the exact reasons why I think he DID go crazy The facts point to both reasons It's only opinions that find the answers
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Post by Aceorton on Jun 28, 2007 1:56:01 GMT -5
Bret actually said this was a bigger tragedy than Owen. I thought that was pretty, uh, brave I guess, for him to say. I can see his point. Owen's death, while awful, was an accident that took the life of one person. There was blame thrown at WWE, the harness manufacturer, etc., but in the end, even with allegations of neglect or endangerment by the Harts, I think everyone still realized it was an accident. Here there are three people dead, and everyone is trying to pick up the pieces, trying to make sense of it, and you just CAN'T. You can't put an easy label on it, grieve and put it behind you. The fallout will last much, much longer, and the long-term effects can't be pinpointed.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 28, 2007 1:56:32 GMT -5
His wrestling legacy should not be affected. Just because it seems more and more like with every passing minute, Benoit was a crapty person, it doesn't suddenly make him a crapty wrestler. But the reality is that the WWE is a corporation that has PR to worry about. True, but once the storm passes, the mainsteam media won't be reporting there was 7 Benoit matches included on a 24 disc set of the Survivor Series.
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Jun 28, 2007 1:57:57 GMT -5
true. i dont know. i just cant find it in myself to have respect for him. or give two craps about him after all of this. he's officially lower than scum in my opinion. but i've got a very strong opinion on someone who would kill a child or woman. No one is asking you to respect him. thats where theres a grey area thats occupied with opinion. i feel like acknowledging his legacy and acomplishments IS respecting him. i've got no respect for him as a person OR an athelete. what he did just totally takes every shred of respect in every aspect away. i dont want to have a tiny iota of respect for him in my body. and i wont. he's done NOTHING in the ring that was good enough to overricde what he did this past weekend.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 28, 2007 1:58:20 GMT -5
His wrestling legacy should not be affected. Just because it seems more and more like with every passing minute, Benoit was a crapty person, it doesn't suddenly make him a crapty wrestler. he was an amazing wrestler. but which is more important? his "legacy" and "skills" or the fact that he did what he did? its all about priorities. While it is more important he murdered his family than it is he was a World Champion, it can't be undone. Pretending he never existed doesn't really do a service to anything.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 28, 2007 1:59:07 GMT -5
But the reality is that the WWE is a corporation that has PR to worry about. True, but once the storm passes, the mainsteam media won't be reporting there was 7 Benoit matches included on a 24 disc set of the Survivor Series. If it's a slow news day, don't bet on that. As an animation collector, I've seen countless "how dare they" articles in relation to DVD sets for stuff like the old Warner Bros catalogue containing mildly racist or sexist gags.
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Post by iwchater on Jun 28, 2007 2:00:06 GMT -5
Okay, let me say this, it's been said so many f***ing times. Benoit's gimmick, and Benoit the person, pretty much differents. I heard Benoit speak on his gimmick on the hard knocks VHS, sounded like a pretty nice guy. Insanity between work, steroids, and his child, and hell maybe his kid & wife did have food poisoning, that's what got the best of him.
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Post by The Line on Jun 28, 2007 2:00:14 GMT -5
once the tox reports are put out, expect this to fade into black, with the exception of wrestling news sites, and maybe Local papers(edmonton sun, and the local Layfayette/Atlanta papers)
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 28, 2007 2:00:21 GMT -5
No one is asking you to respect him. thats where theres a grey area thats occupied with opinion. i feel like acknowledging his legacy and acomplishments IS respecting him. i've got no respect for him as a person OR an athelete. what he did just totally takes every shred of respect in every aspect away. i dont want to have a tiny iota of respect for him in my body. and i wont. he's done NOTHING in the ring that was good enough to overricde what he did this past weekend. I think you've made your point crystal clear.
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Jun 28, 2007 2:00:42 GMT -5
he was an amazing wrestler. but which is more important? his "legacy" and "skills" or the fact that he did what he did? its all about priorities. While it is more important he murdered his family than it is he was a World Champion, it can't be undone. Pretending he never existed doesn't really do a service to anything. lol, like madison said via mass message... we're not going to change eachothers minds. i understand where you're comming from, and i understand what you're saying. i just dont agree with it at all. personally i'd much rather subscribe to the old addage "out of sight, out of mind" and be done with him. i dont want to sit down to watch WM and be reminded every time that theres a murderer on this DVD. it makes me sick. but i can see where you're comming from and i respect your opinion.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 28, 2007 2:00:53 GMT -5
No one is asking you to respect him. thats where theres a grey area thats occupied with opinion. i feel like acknowledging his legacy and acomplishments IS respecting him. i've got no respect for him as a person OR an athelete. what he did just totally takes every shred of respect in every aspect away. i dont want to have a tiny iota of respect for him in my body. and i wont. he's done NOTHING in the ring that was good enough to overricde what he did this past weekend. I see what you're saying. I happen to disagree, but I see what you're saying. We won't be able to change each other's minds, likely, however, I don't think there's any harm in discussing our differeing opinions. I know you mentioned earlier it's really upsetting to you, please understand it's not my intention to get you worked up or angry or anything. I'm just voicing a different opinion.
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Post by Aceorton on Jun 28, 2007 2:02:17 GMT -5
once the tox reports are put out, expect this to fade into black, with the exception of wrestling news sites, and maybe Local papers(edmonton sun, and the local Layfayette/Atlanta papers) It's possible some MAJOR news outlets won't even report the toxicology results. Let's face it, that could be weeks away. The media's attention span is only as long as it takes before the NEXT huge murder/disaster/political scandal.
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Jun 28, 2007 2:02:33 GMT -5
thats where theres a grey area thats occupied with opinion. i feel like acknowledging his legacy and acomplishments IS respecting him. i've got no respect for him as a person OR an athelete. what he did just totally takes every shred of respect in every aspect away. i dont want to have a tiny iota of respect for him in my body. and i wont. he's done NOTHING in the ring that was good enough to overricde what he did this past weekend. I think you've made your point crystal clear. i think i have too. and so has the game and duke, madison. dont forget them. in that case, madison has spoken and i'm outty 5000. again, i respect your opinions, game and duke. agree to disagree. we're gonna have to.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 28, 2007 2:02:37 GMT -5
True, but once the storm passes, the mainsteam media won't be reporting there was 7 Benoit matches included on a 24 disc set of the Survivor Series. If it's a slow news day, don't bet on that. As an animation collector, I've seen countless "how dare they" articles in relation to DVD sets for stuff like the old Warner Bros catalogue containing mildly racist or sexist gags. Really? I never heard of the uproar. I have the 3rd Loony Tunes set where they put some of the old WB cartoons on and had Whoopi Goldberg do a disclaimer for it. I didn't realize folks were upset about it.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 28, 2007 2:03:25 GMT -5
once the tox reports are put out, expect this to fade into black, with the exception of wrestling news sites, and maybe Local papers(edmonton sun, and the local Layfayette/Atlanta papers) It's possible some MAJOR news outlets won't even report the toxicology results. Let's face it, that could be weeks away. The media's attention span is only as long as it takes before the NEXT huge murder/disaster/political scandal. Yep, because especially if it's not the dreaded roid rage, they won't even bother. They got their nickel out of the situation.
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Post by The Line on Jun 28, 2007 2:03:38 GMT -5
once the tox reports are put out, expect this to fade into black, with the exception of wrestling news sites, and maybe Local papers(edmonton sun, and the local Layfayette/Atlanta papers) It's possible some MAJOR news outlets won't even report the toxicology results. Let's face it, that could be weeks away. The media's attention span is only as long as it takes before the NEXT huge murder/disaster/political scandal. that is more than possible
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 28, 2007 2:04:17 GMT -5
It's possible some MAJOR news outlets won't even report the toxicology results. Let's face it, that could be weeks away. The media's attention span is only as long as it takes before the NEXT huge murder/disaster/political scandal. Yep, because especially if it's not the dreaded roid rage, they won't even bother. They got their nickel out of the situation. I'm sure the tox results will be somewhere between Garfield and the Junior Jumble.
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