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Post by I'm The Cool One on Jun 28, 2007 2:04:44 GMT -5
thats where theres a grey area thats occupied with opinion. i feel like acknowledging his legacy and acomplishments IS respecting him. i've got no respect for him as a person OR an athelete. what he did just totally takes every shred of respect in every aspect away. i dont want to have a tiny iota of respect for him in my body. and i wont. he's done NOTHING in the ring that was good enough to overricde what he did this past weekend. I see what you're saying. I happen to disagree, but I see what you're saying. We won't be able to change each other's minds, likely, however, I don't think there's any harm in discussing our differeing opinions. I know you mentioned earlier it's really upsetting to you, please understand it's not my intention to get you worked up or angry or anything. I'm just voicing a different opinion. eh, i know that you're not trying to upset me man. its just the whole situation thats upsetting. i've got no beef with you. this would be a pretty trivial time to have beef with someone. alls cool on this side. its just something i'm very passionate about and i've had no one to voice my opinion to (no one else i know watches wrestling.) so thanks to the WCF for being my talking post.
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Jun 28, 2007 2:07:03 GMT -5
It's possible some MAJOR news outlets won't even report the toxicology results. Let's face it, that could be weeks away. The media's attention span is only as long as it takes before the NEXT huge murder/disaster/political scandal. Yep, because especially if it's not the dreaded roid rage, they won't even bother. They got their nickel out of the situation. i definately agree with that one. if its not roid rage then they've got nothing to demonize but a man whos already dead. they gain nothing from it. the question is, will they jsut leave it alone, or find another way to turn it against wrestling as a whole? maybe the amounts of time spent on the road? maybe the violent nature of the job itself? i've seen the media grasp onto straws to find a scapegoat on many other occasions.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 28, 2007 2:07:17 GMT -5
I think you've made your point crystal clear. i think i have too. and so has the game and duke, madison. dont forget them. in that case, madison has spoken and i'm outty 5000. again, i respect your opinions, game and duke. agree to disagree. we're gonna have to. I don't want you or anyone else to take what I said as anything more than what it was. These threads are increasingly becoming nothing more than the same people, myself included, saying the same opinions over and over and it's getting us nowhere. You are more than welcome to continue posting in this thread, but I think we all need to take a step back for a minute to keep us from going in verbal circles.
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Post by iwchater on Jun 28, 2007 2:07:36 GMT -5
It's possible some MAJOR news outlets won't even report the toxicology results. Let's face it, that could be weeks away. The media's attention span is only as long as it takes before the NEXT huge murder/disaster/political scandal. Yep, because especially if it's not the dreaded roid rage, they won't even bother. They got their nickel out of the situation. There recently was a young man who worked hard in life to be a media reporter. He knew all the ropes & everything. Then he was on the televison for five minutes to talk about a wrestling incident where a wrestler died. Three hours later after the check cleared he found out that the wrestler dying wasn't from steroids so he decided to go back to doing nothing until another situation presented itself. This isn't true but doesn't it seem like it could've/could happen?
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Post by The Line on Jun 28, 2007 2:07:55 GMT -5
well, I am hitting the hay. I hope things will get better and clearer with more time, but I have a feeling this will one of the "gets worse before it gets better" type of things. It already has.
This might be a bit extreme, but maybe for future releases of past events, they can have "benoit editions" and "non-benoit editions"
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 28, 2007 2:08:16 GMT -5
Yep, because especially if it's not the dreaded roid rage, they won't even bother. They got their nickel out of the situation. i definately agree with that one. if its not roid rage then they've got nothing to demonize but a man whos already dead. they gain nothing from it. the question is, will they jsut leave it alone, or find another way to turn it against wrestling as a whole? maybe the amounts of time spent on the road? maybe the violent nature of the job itself? i've seen the media grasp onto straws to find a scapegoat on many other occasions. If it were, say, Paris Hilton, they'd care, but since Benoit was just a wrestler, they might remember his name by that time.
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Jun 28, 2007 2:09:09 GMT -5
i think i have too. and so has the game and duke, madison. dont forget them. in that case, madison has spoken and i'm outty 5000. again, i respect your opinions, game and duke. agree to disagree. we're gonna have to. I don't want you or anyone else to take what I said as anything more than what it was. These threads are increasingly becoming nothing more than the same people, myself included, saying the same opinions over and over and it's getting us nowhere. You are more than welcome to continue posting in this thread, but I think we all need to take a step back for a minute to keep us from going in verbal circles. i see what you're saying dude. and i agree. its a matter of differing opinions being stated over and over again with nothing happening but people getting pissed. so its all cool. i got ya. its just such a rough time for wrestling fans. i'm still not sure 100% how to deal with it...
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 28, 2007 2:10:32 GMT -5
Yep, because especially if it's not the dreaded roid rage, they won't even bother. They got their nickel out of the situation. There recently was a young man who worked hard in life to be a media reporter. He knew all the ropes & everything. Then he was on the televison for five minutes to talk about a wrestling incident where a wrestler died. Three hours later after the check cleared he found out that the wrestler dying wasn't from steroids so he decided to go back to doing nothing until another situation presented itself. This isn't true but doesn't it seem like it could've/could happen? Well, not literally. He'd probably be doing something. Plus, you make it sound like he worked hard to become a reporter just to cover a wrestling death and get paid. I get your point, though.....I think.
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Post by iwchater on Jun 28, 2007 2:10:54 GMT -5
I don't want you or anyone else to take what I said as anything more than what it was. These threads are increasingly becoming nothing more than the same people, myself included, saying the same opinions over and over and it's getting us nowhere. You are more than welcome to continue posting in this thread, but I think we all need to take a step back for a minute to keep us from going in verbal circles. i see what you're saying dude. and i agree. its a matter of differing opinions being stated over and over again with nothing happening but people getting pissed. so its all cool. i got ya. its just such a rough time for wrestling fans. i'm still not sure 100% how to deal with it... So, we all on the same page of the same book now?
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Jun 28, 2007 2:11:18 GMT -5
i definately agree with that one. if its not roid rage then they've got nothing to demonize but a man whos already dead. they gain nothing from it. the question is, will they jsut leave it alone, or find another way to turn it against wrestling as a whole? maybe the amounts of time spent on the road? maybe the violent nature of the job itself? i've seen the media grasp onto straws to find a scapegoat on many other occasions. If it were, say, Paris Hilton, they'd care, but since Benoit was just a wrestler, they might remember his name by that time. yeah good point. i'm not so much worried about them remembering benoit though as i am about the medias everlasting disdain for the wrestling business. especially (and lets not take this comment too far into political realms) hard right-wing stations like Fox News. they like to knock things like violence in music and on TVs untill they finally get their way and it gets toned down. i'm afraid they'll find a way to turn this into some kind of "wrestling is evil" campaign.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 28, 2007 2:11:49 GMT -5
i see what you're saying dude. and i agree. its a matter of differing opinions being stated over and over again with nothing happening but people getting pissed. so its all cool. i got ya. its just such a rough time for wrestling fans. i'm still not sure 100% how to deal with it... So, we all on the same page of the same book now? Yeah, but it's more like one of them "Choose Your Own Adventure Books". We disagree, but it's part of the same over all story.
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Jun 28, 2007 2:12:28 GMT -5
i see what you're saying dude. and i agree. its a matter of differing opinions being stated over and over again with nothing happening but people getting pissed. so its all cool. i got ya. its just such a rough time for wrestling fans. i'm still not sure 100% how to deal with it... So, we all on the same page of the same book now? we'll all always be on the same page in some aspects. we all agree that this is a tragedy.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 28, 2007 2:13:25 GMT -5
If it were, say, Paris Hilton, they'd care, but since Benoit was just a wrestler, they might remember his name by that time. yeah good point. i'm not so much worried about them remembering benoit though as i am about the medias everlasting disdain for the wrestling business. especially (and lets not take this comment too far into political realms) hard right-wing stations like Fox News. they like to knock things like violence in music and on TVs untill they finally get their way and it gets toned down. i'm afraid they'll find a way to turn this into some kind of "wrestling is evil" campaign. That's been going on for years anyway. The "wrestling is evil" stuff just gets filed away, waiting on the next time something happens. "Wrestling is Evil" doesn't get ratings, but "Paris Hilton Goes to Party!!!" does....
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Post by sunwukong on Jun 28, 2007 2:13:32 GMT -5
I don't want you or anyone else to take what I said as anything more than what it was. These threads are increasingly becoming nothing more than the same people, myself included, saying the same opinions over and over and it's getting us nowhere. You are more than welcome to continue posting in this thread, but I think we all need to take a step back for a minute to keep us from going in verbal circles. i see what you're saying dude. and i agree. its a matter of differing opinions being stated over and over again with nothing happening but people getting pissed. so its all cool. i got ya. its just such a rough time for wrestling fans. i'm still not sure 100% how to deal with it... I don't think anyone really is sure how to deal with it. Some people (myself included) got angry. Others got depressed, while some felt betrayed. Others defended his work as a wrestler. No one was right or wrong for expressing it in different ways, but as the information comes to light and everyone starts to accept what happened, there's just not that much left for anyone to say. The outrage and shock have been expressed, and now all we're left to do it watch as the last bits of information are gathered. I think the biggest issue here is that a lot of people do feel betrayed. They thought they knew a man, or at least had an idea of what he was about, and at the end of the day he wasn't really the good guy people thought he was. He was a vastly troubled human. Seeing a hero fall is rough. Seeing him take innocent people with him is even worse. It's no surprise a lot of people don't know how to feel.
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Post by iwchater on Jun 28, 2007 2:13:37 GMT -5
So, we all on the same page of the same book now? we'll all always be on the same page in some aspects. we all agree that this is a tragedy. Even Nancey Grace could have the respect for someone to say that.
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Jun 28, 2007 2:14:52 GMT -5
yeah good point. i'm not so much worried about them remembering benoit though as i am about the medias everlasting disdain for the wrestling business. especially (and lets not take this comment too far into political realms) hard right-wing stations like Fox News. they like to knock things like violence in music and on TVs untill they finally get their way and it gets toned down. i'm afraid they'll find a way to turn this into some kind of "wrestling is evil" campaign. That's been going on for years anyway. The "wrestling is evil" stuff just gets filed away, waiting on the next time something happens. "Wrestling is Evil" doesn't get ratings, but "Paris Hilton Goes to Party!!!" does.... another good point.
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Jun 28, 2007 2:16:18 GMT -5
i see what you're saying dude. and i agree. its a matter of differing opinions being stated over and over again with nothing happening but people getting pissed. so its all cool. i got ya. its just such a rough time for wrestling fans. i'm still not sure 100% how to deal with it... I don't think anyone really is sure how to deal with it. Some people (myself included) got angry. Others got depressed, while some felt betrayed. Others defended his work as a wrestler. No one was right or wrong for expressing it in different ways, but as the information comes to light and everyone starts to accept what happened, there's just not that much left for anyone to say. The outrage and shock have been expressed, and now all we're left to do it watch as the last bits of information are gathered. I think the biggest issue here is that a lot of people do feel betrayed. They thought they knew a man, or at least had an idea of what he was about, and at the end of the day he wasn't really the good guy people thought he was. He was a vastly troubled human. Seeing a hero fall is rough. Seeing him take innocent people with him is even worse. It's no surprise a lot of people don't know how to feel. betrayal. thats definately the word of the week... f***ing betrayal. benoit betrayed every one of his fans, his family, the hart family, and no doubt, Eddie guerrero is sitting somewhere thinking "what the hell, man?" its just so sad
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Post by glassplate on Jun 28, 2007 2:20:13 GMT -5
It's so damn sad
Eddie died a through natural causes (Though it was through past bad decisions) champion, a person who came over his addictions, a man who fulfilled his dreams, a man who settled past demons, a man who found christianity and peace through it.
His best friend died killing his family and himself though he had all the talent and tools to die an even greater man then his friend
It's two totally different instances of people who seemed so like each other
Ones a hero and the other ..... well, it's downright evil
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Jun 28, 2007 2:21:59 GMT -5
It's so damn sad Eddie died a through natural causes (Though it was through past bad decisions) champion, a person who came over his addictions, a man who fulfilled his dreams, a man who settled past demons, a man who found christianity and peace through it. His best friend died killing his family and himself though he had all the talent and tools to die an even greater man then his friend It's two totally different instances Ones a hero and the other ..... well, it's downright evil good way of putting it. i'm out folks. gotta work tomorrow. keep up people. this sucks, still.
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Post by glassplate on Jun 28, 2007 2:25:36 GMT -5
I think this shit just hit me.
I mean, I realized the situation but I just didn't care after I heard Benoit killed his kid
But the image of him strangling his wife with his bare hands and then giving his kid a choking version of the crippler crossface is starting to develop in my mind
And I am disgusted
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