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Post by boiledewokthe3rd on Aug 1, 2007 3:17:48 GMT -5
I think this story is all fibs! Well, I got this from another forum, and it doesn't seem that farfetched, IMO. It's within the realms of possibility, yes. I just find it hard to believe that a these are the two the network want back, I doubt they know who todays stars are, let alone two minor characters from ten years ago.
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Post by Kenny Brockelstein on Aug 1, 2007 3:20:21 GMT -5
Well, I got this from another forum, and it doesn't seem that farfetched, IMO. It's within the realms of possibility, yes. I just find it hard to believe that a these are the two the network want back, I doubt they know who todays stars are, let alone two minor characters from ten years ago. Yeah surely they would more likely be demanding the return that Stone Cold fella ahead of some washed up old hags. They must be aware of pop culture as well- Chyna is now an absolute mentalist, as demonstrated admirably on the Simple Life...
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Post by Hensley on Aug 1, 2007 3:29:45 GMT -5
I was ready to make an objective analys of this whole situation until your Mickie James sig caught my eyes...DAMN!
But seriously, NEW LOGO...please?
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Post by kawalimus on Aug 1, 2007 4:37:36 GMT -5
Bonnie Hammer doesn't like wrestling I bet. Remember how USA didn't want to become "the wrestling network"? I think they have sent her to intentionally piss off Vince so he thinks about moving to another station. This is common tactic.
USA fire Bonnie Hammer NOW!!!!
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Aug 1, 2007 4:57:14 GMT -5
Since when was the attitude era about Sable or Chyna?
From my memories it was about Rock vs Stone Cold, Undertaker ministry and kane and the rise of Mankind. Plus lots of hardcore matches and fun segements backstage ...
Bring back the hardcore title.
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Post by jcdenton on Aug 1, 2007 5:00:43 GMT -5
boy if it was only as easy as that to get back the most profitable time in WWE history eh USA?
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Post by Cactus Jack on Aug 1, 2007 5:00:53 GMT -5
Yeah, the edginess needs to return.
Other than that, no.
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Post by Tyfo on Aug 1, 2007 5:02:26 GMT -5
All right, start placing your bets. How long until Bonnie Hammer offers to buyout Vince Russo's TNA deal to get him signed onto the Raw creative team?
You know its coming.
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Post by Captain Spaulding on Aug 1, 2007 5:17:55 GMT -5
I'm not sure if the need "edge" or "attitude" but the show and the PPV's are lacking something lately.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Aug 1, 2007 6:22:01 GMT -5
Well it's not coming back. It happened and it's gone, we now have this...whatever "this" is. Well, for a time it seemed like Vince wanted to name it the "Ruthless Aggression Era."
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Post by Old School Heel mark4Morishima on Aug 1, 2007 7:10:05 GMT -5
The attitude era came down to a few simple things:
* Divas who didn't all look like bikini models * Wrestlers getting pushed based on charisma rather than physique * The appearance of no glass ceiling and anyone could make their way to the top * Stable wars
They could and should absolutely do all of that again.
Unfortunately I don't think that's what Ms. Hammer means.
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Post by Kenny Brockelstein on Aug 1, 2007 7:40:10 GMT -5
The attitude era came down to a few simple things: * Divas who didn't all look like bikini models * Wrestlers getting pushed based on charisma rather than physique * The appearance of no glass ceiling and anyone could make their way to the top * Stable wars They could and should absolutely do all of that again. Unfortunately I don't think that's what Ms. Hammer means. Agreed and agreed. I always thought there should be more gang warfare in the 'E. It's such a great way of giving guys experience and, as Heyman would say, "accentuating the positives and hiding the negatives". Admittedly, it was post-Attitude, but Evolution was a prime example- look what it did for Orton and Batista...
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Aug 1, 2007 7:42:03 GMT -5
Bringing back the Attitude Era is beyond retarded, as said already it's come and gone.
Bringing back a washed up Steve Austin or Chyna or Sable isn't going to have ratings surge like it did in 1999 or 2000.
Hell, let's bring back X-Pac again just to make it complete.
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Post by Kenny Brockelstein on Aug 1, 2007 7:47:30 GMT -5
Bringing back the Attitude Era is beyond retarded, as said already it's come and gone. Bringing back a washed up Steve Austin or Chyna or Sable isn't going to have ratings surge like it did in 1999 or 2000. Hell, let's bring back X-Pac again just to make it complete. Let's not...
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Post by VRM: LET'S GO BLUESHIRTS!! on Aug 1, 2007 8:44:56 GMT -5
The Attitude Era is dead and buried. They can bring "aspects" of the era back, but not the era itself. If they wanted this to even have a shot of working, here's the main problems and things they can do to fix them.
1) The Brand Extension. It was good in 2002-2003 when the ex-WCW/ECW talent base was still intact from the Invasion, you now had Attitude Era talent levels on both shows. Now, 5 years later, that base has thinned incredibly. Instead of seeing a card full of matches/promos from top midcarders and main eventers, you see 20 minute matches involving low midcarders and 5 minute (or less) squash matches of the same or jobbers. If they want to bring back some semblance of the Attitude Era, then the Brand Extension has to end so they can have enough talent to use on the shows/PPVs. Put Raw and SD back together and give the leftovers, or volunteers, to ECW to build them as a separate brand.
2) Championship reigns: Never-ending title reigns need to end. Not just the reigns themselves, but the art of using them. Do we need to have the return of transitional champions every month, no. Was the idea of a long feud with the title exchanging hands over a couple of months good, yes.
3) Too many Championships: If they want to pull this off, they need to unify the WHC, US title, and WWE Tag Titles with their counter parts (WWE, IC Title, World Tag). Possibly, bring back a third tier title (Hardcore) and truly develop the Cruiserweight and Women's Divisions. With the fusing of talent on SD and Raw, there will be leftovers for ECW, possibly enough to revive the ECW TV and Tag Team titles.
4) Pay-Per-Views: New Year's Revolution, One Night Stand and December to Dismember. Get rid of them. You only need 1 Pay-Per-View a month. Also, get rid of Vengeance and bring back King of the Ring. The whole reason they went to Brand specific PPVs is the same reason they went to the Brand Extension in the first place...too much talent. Now they have too LITTLE talent and just fill up a PPV card with title matches instead of making decent feuds.
5) Tag Teams: How many tag teams are there between Raw, SD, and ECW combined...barely enough for one set of Tag Belts. Look at the Attitude Era: The Hardy Boyz, Edge and Christian, the Dudley Boys, Too Cool, the New Age Outlaws, The Rock 'n' Sock Connection, the Brothers of Destruction. Granted most of them aren't really affiliated with WWE in more, but the Tag division had depth and breadth, room to grow, with main event caliber stars. Now it's just a bunch of jobbers and low midcarders with craptastic gimmicks.
And that's only a few of the things that they would have to do if they want to TRY and bring back the Attitude Era. But they can't bring it back for one reason and one reason only:
The wrestlers. Stone Cold, The Rock, Mick Foley, Chris Jericho, the Radicals, DX (both versions), most of the people that MADE the Attitude Era what it was are either out of the business in one way or another or making sporadic appearances from time to time. The only exceptions to that are HHH and HBK who are still around, just hurt and they won't last forever. They need to develop the midcard they have and shatter this glass ceiling to make a new crop of main eventers if they ever, AND THE ROCK MEANS EVER!!!!!, want a shot at making any kind of Attitude Era revival work.
My 2 cents.
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Post by skillz on Aug 1, 2007 8:49:24 GMT -5
Disclaimer: I hated the Attitude Era. It ruined wrestling and is the reason why wrestling has progressively gotten worse since the 2000's began.
With that said, it's pretty clear why that particular era worked. People seem to think there was a magic formula or something, but there wasn't. Monday Night Raw in 1995/1996 was mostly insignificant matches, squash matches, promos, etc, taped a week or two in advance. If you missed Raw one week, you probably didn't miss much. Then Nitro came along. Nitro was live every week, the big stars showed up every week, they gave away PPV calibre matches on free TV like it was toilet paper, and it had an "edge" about it, especially when Hogan turned and the nWo became the biggest storyline in U.S. wrestling. That's when Raw had to change its format. That's when the WWF had to listen to the audience that wanted "cool heels" like the nWo and Austin instead of clean-cut babyfaces like Bret and Michaels circa 1995-1996. That same audience wanted sexy women. That same audience wanted hardcore wrestling, which other than ECW, wasn't really prevalent in U.S. mainstream wrestling. That same audience wanted to decide who to cheer for (hence the "tweener" fascination) instead of being told who to cheer for.
In other words, and I've said this a million times, the Attitude Era was a societal fad. Much like Hogan's boom period. It worked within a specific time period because it connected with society's needs at the time.
To "bring back the Attitude Era", they'd have to find whatever today's generation is looking for, and exploit it. I have no clue what that is, but it's not my job to find out. Bringing back Sable and Chyna will do nothing.
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Post by casualobserver on Aug 1, 2007 9:06:22 GMT -5
Bonnie Hammer doesn't like wrestling I bet. Remember how USA didn't want to become "the wrestling network"? I think they have sent her to intentionally piss off Vince so he thinks about moving to another station. This is common tactic. USA fire Bonnie Hammer NOW!!!! Wait, why would USA fire her if they are the ones who send her to piss off Vince?
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Post by erik316wttn on Aug 1, 2007 9:19:21 GMT -5
The executive vice president of USA Bonnie Hammer has suggested to Vince McMahon that they re-hire Sable, Chyna and whoever else they can get from the Attitude Era. Vince is listening to all her suggestions just to be nice but is getting frustrated with her overall. Source: wrestlingexposed.com __________________________________________ I think it may be nearly impossible to bring it back exactly how it was, but I think they could do it with a lot of the guys they have. Cena, Lashley, Carlito, Jeff Hardy, Kennedy, Orton, Edge, Matt Hardy, MVP, Rey Mysterio, CM Punk, Morrison, and Burke are all fairly young and talented wrestlers to build a company around, along with Triple H, Shawn Michaels, and a few other veterans; downsize the number of titles and pay-per-views, and better buildups and segments, I think they could easily improve the ratings and build memorable new stars. I think 3 brands does more harm than good. However, I could live with 3 brands IF they bring back the brand-specific PPV's, and even downsize those. PPV's every two weeks doesn't allow for proper feud buildup.
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Post by Red 'n' Black Reggie on Aug 1, 2007 9:24:18 GMT -5
they tried. it'll just end up the wya 2002 was, a crappy simulation of the 90s. like the new ecw, only there's more of it.
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Post by Chainsaw on Aug 1, 2007 9:48:48 GMT -5
This reminds me of something.
"I don't see why Rainier Wolfcastle should be the star. I think we should bring back Dirk Richter. Kids will want to see the original Radioactive Man." "I keep telling you, he's 73 years old and he's dead." "Granted, but --"
Bonnie Hammer more and more seems like the stereotypical clueless TV exec.
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