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Post by Arthur Digby Stamp on Aug 28, 2007 14:25:35 GMT -5
Agreed. The headlocks and chinlocks are feasible moves, and Orton really DOES do some of the most convincing holds like those. A lot of people have certain submission holds that they like to use. Sure, it's not a flashy move, but Orton looks like he could wrench a lesser man's head off. Oh wow, that totally justifies it being 90% of his offense for 80% of the match. No it doesn't. You can work the jaw in so many ways besides a chin lock. And frankly, since I know that, I'm not going to care about how convincing it is, just like i don't care about Randy Orton. But hey, that's me, the guy who thinks criticizing Cena's moveset and praising Randy's is dumb as hell cause guess what? Randy's got less moves! Ok I'm getting out of here before my cynicism kills me. -First of all, 90% is a bit of a stretch. -Nobody criticized Cena's moveset. In fact I'd go so far as to say that everybody in the company has a limited moveset. If you watch WWE, a typical match includes both guys signature moves, a headlock, armbar, or shoulder hold, a couple counters, and one guy's finisher if you're watching tv, or 2 maybe 3 if it's a pay-per-view. If you're looking for a wide variety of submission holds, maybe the problem isn't Randy Orton's headlocks, rather that you're watching the wrong product to begin with.
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Post by mo on Aug 28, 2007 14:25:54 GMT -5
Oh yeah!
I still find Vince McMahon entertaining, although I do admit that when he does have storylines going on involving himself they usually do drag on waaay too much
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Post by MGH on Aug 28, 2007 14:27:02 GMT -5
Round 3!
-Biker Taker is Undertaker's best character ever. So real, so intense, and so bas ass. Shooting lightning out of the ceiling? Jesus Christ how lame is that?
-I wouldn't really care if TNA shut down operations tomorrow. And this is coming from someone who likes seeing all the boys have places to work and have opportunities, but that company is just impossible for me to watch anymore.
-Khali is the worst WWE champion of all time. That's right, THE. WORST. Worse than Vince, who had his entertaining moments. How anyone in their right mind could watch that match at Summerslam and say "this is the best choice for that brand!" boggles my mind. If you like him then it's fine, it's your business who you like. But saying he's the right choice? No freaking way.
-I find Kelly Kelly grossly unattractive. I mean like, wouldn't want a damn thing to do with her kind of unattractive. And I'll wait for the 15 inevitable "if shez comin' up to u you'd go crazy and u knoz it!!11!11!" responses, but fact is I wouldn't. It's called differing tastes and being attracted to what you're attracted too. And I'm FAAAAAR from attracted to that woman.
-Sara Del Rey's thighs? Sweet Jesus I'd let her have her way with me. Then probably watch one of her matches because she's a fantastic worker. Wrestling needs more great female workers.
-There was soooo much more they could have gotten out of Snitsky's foot fetish gimmick. Really could have had at least twice the great comedy that we actually did. Now he's a walking penis who looks to be melting. Shame.
-I'd love to watch John Cena squash Batista in a big time match.
-I like John Morrison the worker very much, and I think just based on talent alone he's worthy of the spot he's in. But I can't figure out these supposed "great mic skills" some people say he has. He sounds like the most scripted man in the company to me.
-Though I wish Cena WAS more scripted if it's him coming up with camel toe and gay jokes all the time.
-Kennedy and Orton both should have won Hell In The Cell matches to win their feuds with Undertaker.
-If I see Taker vs Kane one more time I'm gonna SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP [/scott steiner]
-I think Bobby Lashley vs Shawn Michaels could be really f'n good if given time.
-WWE hasn't had a tag match as good as Shelley/Sabin vs The Briscoes in my time as a WWE fan. Which is a terrible shame, because they so easily could if they ever wanted too.
-Edge vs Orton at Vengeance 2004? An amazing match. Never though I'd see those two go 30.
-Anyone who can order the next Ring of Honor PPV and not like Nigel McGuinness vs Bryan Danielson will officially shock the living hell out of me.
-Mr. Kennedy cut some freaking excellent promos during the Undertaker feud, but of course some people were too caught up in claiming he only says his name twice to ever bother noticing.
-I miss 2003 heel Cena. Man he had great stuff back then.
-Stephanie McMahon in 1999 and Trish Stratus in 2000 may be two of the sexiest women I've ever laid my eyes on.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Aug 28, 2007 14:29:19 GMT -5
Oh wow, that totally justifies it being 90% of his offense for 80% of the match. No it doesn't. You can work the jaw in so many ways besides a chin lock. And frankly, since I know that, I'm not going to care about how convincing it is, just like i don't care about Randy Orton. But hey, that's me, the guy who thinks criticizing Cena's moveset and praising Randy's is dumb as hell cause guess what? Randy's got less moves! Ok I'm getting out of here before my cynicism kills me. -First of all, 90% is a bit of a stretch. -Nobody criticized Cena's moveset. In fact I'd go so far as to say that everybody in the company has a limited moveset. If you watch WWE, a typical match includes both guys signature moves, a headlock, armbar, or shoulder hold, a couple counters, and one guy's finisher if you're watching tv, or 2 maybe 3 if it's a pay-per-view. If you're looking for a wide variety of submission holds, maybe the problem isn't Randy Orton's headlocks, rather that you're watching the wrong product to begin with. Did I say "variety of submissions?" no i said other ways to work the jaw. You assumed i meant submissions, and that's not what i meant at all.
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Aug 28, 2007 14:33:37 GMT -5
Round 3! -Biker Taker is Undertaker's best character ever. So real, so intense, and so bas ass. Shooting lightning out of the ceiling? Jesus Christ how lame is that? -I wouldn't really care if TNA shut down operations tomorrow. And this is coming from someone who likes seeing all the boys have places to work and have opportunities, but that company is just impossible for me to watch anymore. -I find Kelly Kelly grossly unattractive. I mean like, wouldn't want a damn thing to do with her kind of unattractive. And I'll wait for the 15 inevitable "if shez comin' up to u you'd go crazy and u knoz it!!11!11!" responses, but fact is I wouldn't. It's called differing tastes and being attracted to what you're attracted too. And I'm FAAAAAR from attracted to that woman. -I think Bobby Lashley vs Shawn Michaels could be really f'n good if given time. EDIT: Only if HBK is the heel and drops the goody two-shoes act. (Cactus Matt's opinion, not MGH's.) -Mr. Kennedy cut some freaking excellent promos during the Undertaker feud, but of course some people were too caught up in claiming he only says his name twice to ever bother noticing. -I miss 2003 heel Cena. Man he had great stuff back then. -Stephanie McMahon in 1999 and Trish Stratus in 2000 may be two of the sexiest women I've ever laid my eyes on. I agree with all of these, and bigged-up the one that gets me ranting every time.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 28, 2007 14:34:44 GMT -5
Now he's a walking penis who looks to be melting. Shame. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA ;D
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 28, 2007 14:35:10 GMT -5
SPEAKing of the Hall of Fame ... Vince McMahon could make a BOATLOAD of money if he built an actual Hall of Fame building - probably in Connecticut, but maybe even in New York - and had a place for fans to actually go and see the plaques, videos, memorabilia, etc. of the wrestlers/"superstars" that have been inducted. Why he has yet to do so continues to baffle me. Think of some of the cool items they could have on the walls. -Andre's giant belt, made for him if he won the belt. -Statuettes or busts of major figures, such as Gorilla Monsoon, etc. -A giant picture fo each inductee. -Retro shopzone stuff to buy.
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Post by Bram wants to 'urt you on Aug 28, 2007 14:38:20 GMT -5
I preferred nWo era Mike Tenay as a play by play man to JR.
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Post by Tiiulicious on Aug 28, 2007 14:41:36 GMT -5
*I'd go lesbian for Jillian Hall. That girl is smoking hot and I'm not even bi. She's just perfect in every way. *Kurt Angle, Matt Hardy and Christian Cage are the sexiest men in wrestling. Always have been, always will. *I would rather poke my own eyes out than watch any Batista matches. He's aweful. *The Miz has sort of grown on me, to the extent that I might like him in a few months time. That's disturbing. *Candice Michelle is on par with Kat, Debra & Hervina as one of the worst women's champions in history. *MVP vs Matt Hardy is the only feud I'm currently interested in and the only reason why I watch Smackdown. *JBL/Michael Cole is my favourite announcing team ever. *Carlito should be IC champion. Just because I think his hair is hottt * I wish Johnny Ace could keep hooker-fetish from influencing his job. I want wrestlers, not slutty centerfolds dammit I'll think of something else at another time...
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Post by Mr. Mediocre on Aug 28, 2007 14:44:11 GMT -5
Mr. Kennedy, MVP, and Elijah Burke are all severely underrated both here and in general. All of them should be World Champions in the future. Same goes for CM Punk.
WWECW is the best wrestling show on TV right now.
I have grown to like the Miz.
I genuinely believe ROH is the best wrestling company in the world right now and think a lot of the guys on the roster are significantly more charismatic and entertaining than people give them credit for (Bryan Danielson being first on the list).
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Post by Arthur Digby Stamp on Aug 28, 2007 14:45:04 GMT -5
-First of all, 90% is a bit of a stretch. -Nobody criticized Cena's moveset. In fact I'd go so far as to say that everybody in the company has a limited moveset. If you watch WWE, a typical match includes both guys signature moves, a headlock, armbar, or shoulder hold, a couple counters, and one guy's finisher if you're watching tv, or 2 maybe 3 if it's a pay-per-view. If you're looking for a wide variety of submission holds, maybe the problem isn't Randy Orton's headlocks, rather that you're watching the wrong product to begin with. Did I say "variety of submissions?" no i said other ways to work the jaw. You assumed i meant submissions, and that's not what i meant at all. Fair enough. But from a psychology standpoint, it's much easier to crank on the guy's neck while he struggles to breath then it is to repeatedly hammer away on his jaw, or do a jawbreaker and then stomp his face, or any other type of combination. And from a crowd interaction standpoint, it allows people to absorb what's going on without seeing move after move after move, while also giving them a chance to (hypothetically) get behind the babyface John Cena.
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Post by MysteryStingerfanTheater3000 on Aug 28, 2007 14:47:16 GMT -5
-I thought WCW was a WAY better product then WWE/F until late 2000. -They need to get all 3 World Titles of the current champs, or WWE will continue to lose fan base.(At least Kahli or Cena) -WWE needs to get rid of some PPV's and limit to 1 a month. -The need to reform DX with HHH and HBK, but this time make them Heel. -There's two things they can do with the Woman's and Crusierweight Divison, spice it up, or end it. -ECW is really lacking the Hardcore matches that made it in the Heyman-owned era. -They really need to partner with a Japanese organizations, like NJPW or AJPW . -I haven't watched Smackdown in full for nearly 6 months, they need to go live, it's lost it's edge(no pun intended).
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 28, 2007 14:49:35 GMT -5
-I thought WCW was a WAY better product then WWE/F until late 2000. -They need to get all 3 World Titles of the current champs, or WWE will continue to lose fan base. -WWE needs to get rid of some PPV's and limit to 1 a month. -The need to reform DX with HHH and HBK, but this time make them Heel. -There's two things they can do with the Woman's and Crusierweight Divison, spice it up, or end it. -ECW is really lacking the Hardcore matches that made it in the Heyman-owned era. -They really need to partner with a Japanese organizations, like NJPW or AJPW . I only agree with that last one.
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Post by r. on Aug 28, 2007 14:55:39 GMT -5
-I want to like john cena, i find him entertaining at time's, but so often is the case, he comes out with some juvinile retort or joke that just puts me off,and is if this has'nt been made clear enough im honestly starting to not care about the wwe belt itself, which is a bad thing.
-I loved the zombie in ecw
-I think they should combine a few of the title's(Tag team and world titles)
(puts flame suit on)I think some ppl took the beniot situation way to personaly(and that's not to say that some where'nt justified in doing so). -i think wwe pretending chris benoit never existed is childish and petty.
-i dont understand why so many ppl dislike rey nowaday's.
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Post by MysteryStingerfanTheater3000 on Aug 28, 2007 14:57:31 GMT -5
-I want to like john cena, i find him entertaining at time's, but so often is the case, he comes out with some juvinile retort or joke that just puts me off,and is if this has'nt been made clear enough im honestly starting to not care about the wwe belt itself, which is a bad thing. -I loved the zombie in ecw -I think they should combine a few of the title's(Tag team and world titles) (puts flame suit on)I think some ppl took the beniot situation way to personaly(and that's not to say that some where'nt justified in doing so). -i think wwe pretending chris benoit never existed is childish and petty.-i dont understand why so many ppl dislike rey nowaday's. You my friend have won my respect.
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Post by GregP19 on Aug 28, 2007 15:21:20 GMT -5
Here's some more:
Eddie Guerrero and owen Hart are NOT Hall of Famers
now that CM has jobbed to morrison on 3 straight ppv's, the miz/kellyballs angle is the best thing going on ECW
I'll take a spot fest over a workrate match any day of the week
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 28, 2007 15:24:34 GMT -5
Here's some more: Eddie Guerrero and owen Hart are NOT Hall of Famers now that CM has jobbed to morrison on 3 straight ppv's, the miz/kellyballs angle is the best thing going on ECW I'll take a spot fest over a workrate match any day of the week Eddie's already in the Hall of Fame, so your point is rather moot. Besides, it's not just based on his WWE career, which was in itself impressive. In WCW, Mexico, and Japan, he also made his mark. Not flaming you, just offering my honest opinion.
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Post by r. on Aug 28, 2007 15:24:42 GMT -5
just to correct you on eddie. (Eddie Guerrro Tilte History) WWA (Mexico) World Trios titles w/Mando & Hector Guerrero defeating ? ( ?, 1989); WWA (Mexico) World Welterweight title defeating ?? ( ?, 1992); AAA (Mexico) World Tag Team titles w/Love Machine (Art Barr) defeating Octagon & El Hijo del Santo (July 23, 1994); ECW Television title defeating 2 Cold Scorpio (April 8, 1995); ECW Television title defeating Dean Malenko (July 28, 1995); WCW United States Heavyweight title defeating Diamond Dallas Page in a tournament (December 29, 1996); WCW World Cruiserweight title defeating Chris Jericho (September 14, 1997); WCW World Cruiserweight title defeating Rey Mysterio Jr. (November 10, 1997); PWF (Carolinas) Tag Team titles w/Hector Guerrero defeating Super Ninja & Black Angel (May 22, 1998); WWF European title defeating Chris Jericho (April 3, 2000); WWF Intercontinental title defeating Kurt Angle and Chyna (c) in a 3-WAY (September 4, 2000); WWF European title defeating Test (April 1, 2001); WWA International Cruiserweight title defeating Psicosis and Juventud Guerrera (Febuary 24, 2002); IWA Mid-South Heavyweight title defeating C.M. Punk and Rey Mysterio in a 3-WAY (March 1, 2002); WWE Intercontinental title defeating Rob Van Dam (April 21, 2002 - Bashlash); WWE Tag Team titles w/Chavo Guerrero defeating Edge/Rey and Benoit/Angle (November 17, 2002 - Survivor Series); WWE Tag Team titles w/Yoshihiro Tajiri defeating Charlie Haas & Shelton Benjamin (May 18, 2003 - Judgement Day); WWE Tag Team titles w/Chavo Guerrero defeating Charlie Haas & Shelton Benjamin (September 18, 2003 - SmackDown!); WWE United States title defeating Chris Benoit in a Tournament Final (July 27, 2003 - Vengeance); WWE Heavyweight title defeating "The Next Big Thing" Brock Lesnar (February 15, 2004 - No Way Out); WWE Tag Team titles w/Rey Mysterio defeating The Basham Brothers (February 20, 2005 - No Way Out); i could sit here all day reminising about his great matches, but ill point you in the direction of youtube and let you be the judge.
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Post by The Freakin' Deacon on Aug 28, 2007 15:38:39 GMT -5
- I like Bobby Lashely. I however did NOT like Bobby Lashley, the ECW champ.
- I have hated the way RAW has been for the past few weeks now. It's pretty much just.. meh.
- Not even MVP and Matt Hardy can get me to watch Smackdown! Now that Londrick is on RAW.
- Elijah Burke is probably my current favorite guy on the roster.
- I did not like Viscera or the World's Largest Love Machine.. I do not like Big Daddy V either.
- I do not like wrestling from the 80's. Granted I wasn't really around for the 80's, the matches I have seen, the "classics", I did not like them. They bored me.
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Post by bigrick0016 on Aug 28, 2007 15:39:42 GMT -5
Thamk God we can't get flamed for the things we're saying here, because I'd get it
- The little Hulkamaniac inside will never, ever die - I'd watch the new ECW if it wasn't called ECW. The show literally makss me sad. - I don't like women wrestling, even with good ones. - My view on fake breasts... They're real if I can touch them - I love spotfests - I think characters and the ability to entertain me is more important than being a great wrestler. I love watching a Malenko match, but it's like watching a ballgame between 2 teams I care nothing about because I do not care about the outcome. -I don't think Matt Hardy can ever Main Event, but an IC or US Title reign would be great. -Yes, guys do have to be a certain size to be a conceivable Main Eventer.
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