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Post by Sawylent White on Sept 17, 2007 21:44:52 GMT -5
I don't have an issue with him stunning London and Kendrick. Like people have stated, Austin used to do it all the time (to be fair, though, it was totally in character for Austin to do it, with the whole "DTA" thing, whereas it doesn't make much sense for Triple H to do it right now while he's a goofy jokester face). But was it really necessary to have him beat Cade and Murdoch clean? Why not? Cade & Mudoch were beaten plenty of times by Cena (by himself), DX and others, but yet they are 2 old school heels during perfectly fine defending their tag titles. Londrick will not suffer any long term damage just like Cade & Murdoch didn't. In fact 90% of these bickering threads are for actions that result to nothing in the long term sense. That's why I don't understand any of it. I don't remember Cena ever beating Cade and Murdoch clean while they were the champions. If he did, that's stupid too. I'm not worried about long-term effects or anything--it just doesn't make sense that one man (regardless of who it is) can beat the best combination of two men. And as for London and Kendrick--like I said, I didn't mind that he pedigree'ed them.
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Post by #Classic Hi-Definition X on Sept 17, 2007 21:45:57 GMT -5
I love the smell of HHHate in the evening.
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Post by chickenwhopper on Sept 17, 2007 21:46:44 GMT -5
If neither of them suffered why was the crowd so dead during a good match at Unforgiven? It's funny because the most over guys are almost unbeatable; Cena, Triple H, Batista, Taker and Lashley Something's wrong when that happens. It's not like they can get them over in some other way, because looks what happens to the undercard, everyone sits on their hands.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Sept 17, 2007 21:46:47 GMT -5
I'm more amused at people saying this is establishing Triple H as a main eventer. Yeah, cause he's never gonna break that glass ceiling. ;D
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Post by tonyexile on Sept 17, 2007 21:47:10 GMT -5
I didn't really get the whole concept, though I kinda chuckled at his nonchalant head shrugs as he left the ring.
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Post by Sawylent White on Sept 17, 2007 21:48:25 GMT -5
Just want to throw it out there that I'm not what people call a "HHHater", I actually like him. Hell, I've NEVER even complained about him burying people before. Just thought it was stupid that he beat Cade and Murdoch clean, that's all.
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Post by Dean-o on Sept 17, 2007 21:48:40 GMT -5
Why not? Cade & Mudoch were beaten plenty of times by Cena (by himself), DX and others, but yet they are 2 old school heels during perfectly fine defending their tag titles. Londrick will not suffer any long term damage just like Cade & Murdoch didn't. In fact 90% of these bickering threads are for actions that result to nothing in the long term sense. That's why I don't understand any of it. I don't remember Cena ever beating Cade and Murdoch clean while they were the champions. If he did, that's stupid too. I'm not worried about long-term effects or anything--it just doesn't make sense that one man (regardless of who it is) can beat the best combination of two men. And as for London and Kendrick--like I said, I didn't mind that he pedigree'ed them. Exactly my point. Most matches (especially Raw/Smackdown) are forgotten over time. Cena did beat C&M by himself before...one time just recently actually. I don't have an exact date but I remember the hatred on this board when it happened. Handicap matches have been a part of the wrestling world forever. They aren't going away, and more times then not the underdog (face) will walk away the winner. It's just a part of wrestling.
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Post by Corporate H on Sept 17, 2007 21:48:48 GMT -5
I've been a big defender of Triple H for the longest time, but this is just blatant. For someone who got buried hard by The Ultimate Warrior, you'd think he'd have a little more foresight in his actions.
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Post by Big Hurt on Sept 17, 2007 21:50:29 GMT -5
I agree. They had a chance to really elevate Londrick with an HHH association, maybe a 6 man next week, and they buried them. That was BS.
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Post by Dean-o on Sept 17, 2007 21:50:56 GMT -5
I've been a big defender of Triple H for the longest time, but this is just blatant. For someone who got buried hard by The Ultimate Warrior, you'd think he'd have a little more foresight in his actions. And as you can see, he's doing just fine after being buried, at a WrestleMania no less!
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Post by Ace Diamond on Sept 17, 2007 21:52:03 GMT -5
I agree. They had a chance to really elevate Londrick with an HHH association, maybe a 6 man next week, and they buried them. That was BS. Were they in a match? No? Then it wasn't a burial. It's HHH being Steve Austin HHH.
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Post by Corporate H on Sept 17, 2007 21:53:24 GMT -5
I agree. They had a chance to really elevate Londrick with an HHH association, maybe a 6 man next week, and they buried them. That was BS. I thought he would put them over too, it would have been great. There is no reason why he couldn't. It's not going to make a HUGE difference in their careers because of this, but it just seems like a bad business decision in the short term. Marks will hold it against them, and smarks will lose faith in any feud they are ever possibly involved in with Trips.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Sept 17, 2007 21:53:41 GMT -5
I don't remember Cena ever beating Cade and Murdoch clean while they were the champions. If he did, that's stupid too. I'm not worried about long-term effects or anything--it just doesn't make sense that one man (regardless of who it is) can beat the best combination of two men. And as for London and Kendrick--like I said, I didn't mind that he pedigree'ed them. Exactly my point. Most matches (especially Raw/Smackdown) are forgotten over time. Cena did beat C&M by himself before...one time just recently actually. I don't have an exact date but I remember the hatred on this board when it happened. Handicap matches have been a part of the wrestling world forever. They aren't going away, and more times then not the underdog (face) will walk away the winner. It's just a part of wrestling. Handicap matches have been a staple. I remember Scott Hall ging over a jobber team like High Voltage or whatever but I can't remember ever seeing the current tag champs beat clean.
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Post by mysterydriver on Sept 17, 2007 21:53:55 GMT -5
It was just bad friggin booking.
After a great first hour, the show went down the tubes.
It still makes me mad. Daggone it. I need to go back and watch the Flag match.
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Post by Desi on Sept 17, 2007 21:54:26 GMT -5
As much as I love HHH, that was an incredibly stupid thing to do.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Sept 17, 2007 21:54:37 GMT -5
I agree. They had a chance to really elevate Londrick with an HHH association, maybe a 6 man next week, and they buried them. That was BS. Were they in a match? No? Then it wasn't a burial. It's HHH being Steve Austin HHH. Then it's just as bad that he's copying another super star's gimmick (especially since it's one of his old foes).
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Post by Veladus Jobs To Dead Computers on Sept 17, 2007 21:56:01 GMT -5
I think it's funny that people are expecting C&M to beat one of the biggest stars in the history of the business, arguably in his prime. Oh, they're the tag team champions? So what? If any two of us debuted on RAW, we'd probably walk out with the straps. Those things are completely meaningless and have been for a very long time. What have C&M ever done to deserve a victory over Trips?
I'd cover Londrick, but everybody else already has. Austin. Been there, done that.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Sept 17, 2007 21:56:11 GMT -5
I must've missed the news about HHH being Head Booker.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 17, 2007 21:56:49 GMT -5
Dude, that is blatantly untrue.
Also, again, Trips pulling an Austin doesn't make much sense. Austin randomly attacking people fit his character; his actions were that of a man, again, tearing down the old concepts of faces and heels. He was the "DTA" character, the rebel without a cause, yadda yadda. It suited him to attack whoever came near him.
I'm not going to comment on Trips here, since I didn't see it, but I do know his character is not like that.
And for those saying "Cade and Murdoch haven't suffered from losing handicap matches before", I'll defer to what others have said before, since, again, I'm not fully qualified to comment...does the crowd actually react to Cade and Murdoch anymore?
Even better, since I CAN comment on this team: did the crowd react to La Resistance after they lost handicap matches to Benoit, Batista, etc.?
There are better ways to get guys over as main eventers than just "they never lose!" That's flat-out lazy booking, if this is indeed what they're doing.
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Post by Chris Decker-The Wild Rover on Sept 17, 2007 21:58:06 GMT -5
guys........seriously, this was not that big of a deal. in the long term nobody will remember this cause next week the C&M/Londrick will still continue. i mean it came off as quite blatant when londrick started to do there poses and started trying to be HHH's bud. So maybe i just saw it telegraphed and thats why it doesn't bother me.
now i'm not gonna lie and say when i saw it i went "ahh motherf***er" but in the grand scheme of things....not a big deal guys
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