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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 11, 2009 17:30:20 GMT -5
Pro wrestling 101: There are no rules for refs to follow. Well, its more like there is a set of rules, but the excuse typically given is the referee is using discretion. Like times when the ref will let both guys fight in the crowd and whatnot during a title match and will not count them out, or let them put guys through tables outside the ring and such and not DQ them. Its stupid and lazy, really. It just makes me hate the refs when it happens. Although I should really be disliking the writers for not taking one extra minute to come up with a more logical finish.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 11, 2009 17:07:50 GMT -5
If he was as awful as he's being portrayed as being they would have pulled him out of the ring no matter how charismatic he is... ....which they did, hence the discussion that we're having right now. (not trying to sound like a smartass) But I think people forget that Kennedy was going to begin a program with Orton after Batista was injured. It's not like he was held down. In fact, the next week, Triple H's return was hotshotted as he was put into Kennedy's spot of feuding with Orton. Thats the thing though. If Kennedy was so unliked and dangerous in the ring, why would WWE put him in a position where he would be working in the ring with one of their biggest assets in Orton? If he was on such thin ice, why not put him on ECW, or have him in a program with some midcarder guy.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 11, 2009 17:01:21 GMT -5
Oh well great lets all have nonsensical opinions with no backing. I bet if someone started a threat with the line "Triple H is useless" that would get a great reaction. It's fine to have an opinion but um shouldn't you have a reason for that opinion? I've stated numerous times why I don't like him. Do I have to tack on a FAQs sheet to my signature providing reasons why I don't like certain wrestlers? If I said The Great Khali sucks, would you be on me like you are now? I dont think anyone is really on you. Just asking you to explain why you think Bourne is a waste of space, and why you think he doesn't have any talent. From what I have seen of his WWE matches, they have pretty good psychology and he sells well. He isn't just out there throwing out random flips and no selling stuff ala Teddy Hart.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 11, 2009 16:28:19 GMT -5
It's good he still has stout fans and defenders. But really, when Kennedy screws up again...and given his history, he WILL screw up again...the list of people he blames for it will simply get bigger and bigger. No smoke without fire. I am not a fan or defender. I never liked him, he bored me in the ring. I just think Orton comes off like a whiner here. Both guys do.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 11, 2009 16:07:03 GMT -5
RVD came about an inch from killing Triple H in the elimination chamber... In the end like the other post says this is all pretty weak, it's like all these guys wanted him gone and as soon as he did something for them to all complain they did it.You sound like Kennedy. It's a big conspiracy. When freaking Cena- probably one of the nicest, most laid back guys in wrestling complains about you- you know you're a bad wrestler. Kennedy was clumsy, he sandbagged guys, stiff people and then acted like he did nothing wrong -he's still blaming Orton for the suplex. The botched suplex was the final straw, not the only reason. If it has just been that, it likely would have been forgotten. But he'd been pissing off people for years with that stuff. And seemed to make no effort to change or improve his style. RVD got safer over time, at least. Likely so. However, it makes me ask the question of why Kennedy was continually given so much of a push if he was that dangerous and unreliable in the ring.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 11, 2009 15:59:32 GMT -5
RVD was just busting guys open, Kennedy was quite clumsy and wrestlers must have felt they were at serious risk. Look if you've got a whole roster of main eventers pissed off at you, and still make no effort to improve, then you've got problems. RVD came about an inch from killing Triple H in the elimination chamber... In the end like the other post says this is all pretty weak, it's like all these guys wanted him gone and as soon as he did something for them to all complain they did it. There are probably a lot of reasons why they wanted to get rid of him. Probably a buildup of things. I dont believe it was because they felt their spots threatened or anything. Probably he was just disliked personally. All I am saying is, if that is the case, say so. Cos making it just about one backdrop that didn't go perfectly is petty at best, suspect at worst. Spots dont always go perfectly, wrestlers accidentally hurt each other or themselves quite often. Its why one of Bret Harts biggest claims is that he never injured himself or anyone else in the ring. He often says that he is the only wrestler he knows of that can make that claim.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 11, 2009 15:52:08 GMT -5
I don't exactly think it's Kennedy's fault Cena ripped his pec muscle wrestling him. The thing with Guerrero isn't that surprising since he was new at the time. But I think sometimes things do get overblown. Everyone f***s up and everyone has likely been working with someone that happened to get injured. He worked a program with Taker with nothing happening nothing like this came of his entire Smackdown tenure it only happened once he was moved to Raw... The truth to all of this is alot closer to the middle than likely being portrayed by either company but it's pretty obvious he had a lot of people working Raw that did not care for him at all and that could be for any number of reasons. Alvarez made a good point: when was the last time the main eventers in WWE got together and flat out told management they didn't want to wrestle this guy? I have no doubt WWE is a political place, but that just doesn't happen, unless the guy is really, really bad. Kennedy seems to have convinced himself it's because he was a star and they were threatened by him, but considering I've seen matches where his opponent will get visibly pissed off at him, it's far more likely he's deluding himself. I dont really like Kennedy at all. I just think the backdrop excuse is pretty weak. Wrestlers stiff each other all the time, intentionally and unintentionally. Hell, Brock Lesnar dropped Bob Holly right on his head and didn't get fired or depushed for it.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 11, 2009 15:39:54 GMT -5
I can understand Ortons concern, but from his reaction and everything it makes it sound like Kennedy did a Dr. Death style Backdrop Driver to him or something.
Also, anyone kinda find it funny that he is complaining after what happened to Jericho last night? That looked just as bad, if not worse.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 11, 2009 15:35:41 GMT -5
Since JBL retired he didn't have enough money to pay HBK off. They settled out of court for a decent, but much smaller sum.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 11, 2009 15:27:04 GMT -5
Unless the guy is out there botching left and right, or getting no reaction at all, I cannot see how you could say he is useless or has no ability. Doesn't stop the Cena/Batista hate. I am not saying that is warranted either..
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 11, 2009 15:25:04 GMT -5
I've always wondered something Whats the technical name for that Backbreaker/Neck Snap thing he does? Mike Sanders was the first guy I saw do it. He called it the 3.0... I believe the technical name for it is something like inverted facelock backbreaker.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 11, 2009 15:21:11 GMT -5
You can like or dislike whoever.
Making comments like SO AND SO IS USELESS when they are most obviously not, though, is akin to spoiling for a fight.
If you make a comment like that, you should be able to validate it with some sort of evidence.
I do not like Triple H, for instance...but I would never say he has no talent or is useless.
Unless the guy is out there botching left and right, or getting no reaction at all, I cannot see how you could say he is useless or has no ability.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 11, 2009 15:08:44 GMT -5
Orton has been booked like crap since WM 25 anyway.
I was really into him at the beginning of the year, with his psycho, manipulative character.
Then someone decided he should morph back into Orton 2007 mode, only this time with SLOWER WALKING!
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 11, 2009 14:37:25 GMT -5
I dont think he would be doing much better on Smackdown, TBH.
Probably just jobbing to Ziggler instead of Swagger.
He should have stayed on ECW, though. He didnt get enough seasoning there...he needs more time to develop his character and hopefully become more comfortable on the mic as well. Being on RAW will not help him in those departments.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 11, 2009 6:04:26 GMT -5
Lance Storm Superkicking a Booker T. midget.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 11, 2009 6:01:53 GMT -5
Just watched some of the stuff with HBK on youtube and I was actually surprised that he actually got cheered in Canada, even more in Bret Hart's hometown. Unless the noise was piped in, this was surreal IMO. There are 12-13 year old children who never saw Bret Hart wrestle in a WWF/E ring. The more time goes on, the less currency that name and legacy carries, especially since he's all but severed ties with the industry. And HBK should be kicking each and every one of those little f***ers in the face!
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 11, 2009 5:14:19 GMT -5
I was really offended and shocked by what HBK did.
I mean, just the other week someone made a thread about HHH burying talent, and I mentioned how he should be more like Shawn with his willingness to put over younger talent.
Then he goes and buries that little girl. DAMN YOU HBK!
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 11, 2009 5:06:29 GMT -5
Spoiler Alert!: Americans and Canadians dont really hate each other.
We just have a good time ribbing each others countries.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 11, 2009 4:01:17 GMT -5
Gooker? Nah. It was just a throwaway segment. It was kinda stupid, but also somewhat funny to me in a lame way. Especially the SCM to a little girl!
It wasn't the best way to bring HBK back but if I had my way he wouldn't be involved with DX at all. Too late for that now so I may as well try to enjoy the goofiness as best I can and hope their segments arent as bad as the majority have been following their reunion.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 11, 2009 2:21:16 GMT -5
Nah, the ref signaled for the bell to be rung. ahh, didn't see that part. Either way, it seemed like everyone paused for a moment, which made the ending awkward until Jericho hit Orton. Yeah it seemed awkward to me too, it would have confused me less if the ref hadnt called for the bell actually. I would have then assumed it was just a screw up by the timekeeper. I hate really contrived endings like these. Orton could have just thrown the ref out of the ring making the match a no contest or something...it just makes me think [when im in mark mode, which i try to force myself to be while watching as much as I can] that the ref sucks at his job, if he had waited a few more seconds Jericho was tapping anyway.
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