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Post by Mister Yummy on Feb 20, 2008 2:29:55 GMT -5
The Apter Mags are how wrestling magazines should be done. Are they still around, and if so, do they still keep kayfabe? I would so buy them again, if they aren't to expensive and don't try to be all dirt-sheetish and smarkish. I've not seen PWI, Inside Wrestling, or The Wrestler on the shelves for years.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Feb 19, 2008 20:11:57 GMT -5
I'm not being sarcastic in the least. And I still don't see how those situations are racist. thesunbeast makes a good point about how it could be anything, but I'm looking for specifics. Can someone please explin those situations for me.
Also, while Michael Jackson did indeed share his bed with his child sleepover guests, no one was ever naked, at least not that anyone other than the participants knows about. I, for one, don't think MJ did anything wrong, but that's besides the point.
Also, thesunbeast, are stealing cookies and having sex with kids racist ideas too? I'm totally serious in asking, as none of the examples you gave seem to have anything in common to me. Maybe I've been living under a rock or something. I know very little about what's considered racist and why, I'm just trying to be enlightened.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Feb 17, 2008 23:33:42 GMT -5
I was serious when I said I didn't know how those situations were racist. Could someone please explain it to me?
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Post by Mister Yummy on Feb 17, 2008 17:56:19 GMT -5
I can see Booker T Calling Hogan a "nigger" being racist. Even though Hogan's white. So...actually...maybe not...but still, i can see how it's close.
I appologise for bypassing the word filter. I'm making a quote that depends on the censored word. If a mod wishes to change it, please do so, or ask me and I will.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Feb 17, 2008 17:02:21 GMT -5
Hmmm. I must have trouble detecting "Racism", because I see nothing wrong with the majority of stuff mentioned in this thread, and can't see how some of it is remotely racist.
What's wrong with Hogan telling Atlas to shine his shoes, for example?
What's wrong with Brickhouse Brown getting a watermelon as a present?
What's wrong with Virgil getting a boom box? What's wrong with calling Snuka "Monkey boy"? He's from a jungle island, climbs up things, and jumps off. Sounds pretty monkeyish to me!
I've heard similiar claims of "racist" about such things as Slick's Jive Soul Bro video, and I never understood that one either.
Can someone please fill me in on what's wrong with all this stuff?
BTW, Black and White came out in '95, WM6 was 1990. Piper is either remembering wrong, or he's just making stuff up.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Jan 30, 2008 17:21:56 GMT -5
Flair actually entered the WWF in August of 1991, not in 1992.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Mar 11, 2008 4:25:40 GMT -5
Wait...Terry Gordy's Dead?!
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Post by Mister Yummy on Mar 10, 2008 1:02:13 GMT -5
This promo was actually the debut of The Giant. I've got it recorded as it happened.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Mar 9, 2008 16:16:54 GMT -5
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Post by Mister Yummy on Mar 7, 2008 16:33:46 GMT -5
Raw - 2 hours WWECW - 1 hour TNA Impact - 2 hours After I watch Smackdown tonight it'll be 7. I'll also probably watch some taped stuff before going to bed. I'm gonna go for 10 this week. Seems awfully low =\
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Post by Mister Yummy on Feb 28, 2008 16:25:55 GMT -5
The WCW Title split from the NWA Title in 1991 when Ric Flair lost the latter to Tatsumi Fujiyami, but retained the former. Flair regained the NWA Title the next month. They were split again when Flair was stripped of the WCW Title for being fired, but retained the NWA Title. He was then stripped of the NWA Title months later upon signing with a non-NWA Affiliate, the WWF. The NWA Title was vacant until August 1992, when it was held up in a tourneyment for New Japan.
The NWA lower-card titles of the 80's, the TV Title, Tag Team Titles, US Title, etc., were really promotional titles, in those cases the titles of JCP. Nonetheless, they were the only titles in the NWA with those names, and were treated as official NWA Titles. I have no idea when it's proper to start referring to them as WCW titles instead of NWA titles. 1988? 1991? When the designs changed? 1993, when WCW withdrew from the NWA? I just don't know!
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Post by Mister Yummy on Feb 28, 2008 4:41:21 GMT -5
The TV, Tag, and US Titles weren't NWA Titles anymore in Feb. 92? When did they split from the WCW Titles, and how?
Another note: I love the "origional" WCW Title belt used at this show, and many others. It's not as prestigious as the Big Gold Belt, but it's still cool.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Feb 28, 2008 4:22:11 GMT -5
Some Random thoughts about SuperBrawl II, made not while watching it, but a few days later.
This show's pretty good for a flair-free WCW show. Jesse Ventura and JR make a good team on commentary. And, this may very well be where JR's current gimmick was born, as Jesse suggests he looks like JR Ewing and should wear a cowbow hat. Schivonne is rooting for the heals and Bischoff for the faces. That's a bit strange. I love the PWI References WCW Threw around at this time, citing the WCW Top 10 and the PWI Yearly awards several times. Missy Hyatt on interviews is fun. She's bubbly, a bit stupid, and doesn't seem like she knows what she's doing. Now for the matches.
Jushin Thunder Lyger vs. Flyin' Brian Pillman WCW Jr. Heavyweight Title This is considered one of the all-time great Cruiserweight/Jr. Heavyweight matches. I disagree. It seems very spotty to me, without much chemistry or psychology. Lyger does win the crowd over well though, and there are some great spots. Pillman teases his upcoming heel turn just a bit as well. I'm not gonna give stars, as I'm not watching as I'm writing, but I will say this is a good match that doesn't live up to it's reputation.
Marcus Alexander Bagwell vs. "Taylor made man" Terry Taylor. Oddly, this match isn't on my tape of this event, the official THE released one. Even more oddly, the pre-match interview Taylor does with Missy Hyatt is retained. Very strange.
I also don't have Simmons vs. Jack or Hammer and Zenk vs. Vegas and Morton. A shame. I'll have to trade for a PPV Recording of this show.
Barry Windham & Dustin Rhodes vs. Stunning Steve Austin and Larry Zbyszko. This is a well paced Tag match. I love watching WCW Austin. You can see how frustrated he is. He's the TV Champion at this time, and I love the old school red and gold NWA TV Title belt. Zbyszko is on his game here, delivering some very good-looking submission holds. Dustin and Windham are on their game too. All in all, a decent match.
Arn Anderson and Bobby Eaton vs. The Steiner Brothers WCW/NWA Tag Team Championship I really enjoyed this match, though it was a bit "clusterf***y" at times. There were some moments when the steiners seemed to be phoning it in, but they were pretty good all in all. I love when Jesse questions their academic credentials, saying that any college that Rick Steiner can graduate from needs to be investigated. The ending sucks. I'm not a fan of reverse decisions. Oh well.
Rick Rude vs. Ricky Steamboat WCW/NWA US Championship Now we get to the cream of the crop. This is easily the best match on the card, and with Rude and Steamboat, how could it have missed? Rick Rude was clearly at his best in WCW, and the company also used Steamboat better than the WWF Ever did. This match tells a great story, with Paul E. Dangerously barred from Ringside, Steamboats Ninja chasing Madusa off earlier in the night, Steamboats arm injury that he has to work to overcome, and Rude being Rick Rude. The ending is kinda lame, but Paul E. as the fake ninja is great. Oh well, every match can't end clean.
Lex Luger vs. Sting WCW World Championship This match is pretty good, and was probably the best main event WCW could have thrown together at the time. Luger is on his way out, but WCW still makes him look pretty good, almost beating Sting a few times. Sting did kick out after one of Luger's piledrivers, however, and did get in a torture rack on Luger during the match, so perhaps a bit of burial there. On the other hand, Luger survived the Scorpion Death Lock, and seemed dominant most of the match. The ending left a bit to be desired, but it was clean, and we finally had a face WCW Champion.
All in all, a very good show for WCW in that period. I'd really like to see a WCW Show in which the WCW and NWA Titles are defended seprately. Anyone got any suggestions?
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Post by Mister Yummy on Feb 28, 2008 3:44:15 GMT -5
DiBiase recently wrestled at the Raw 15th anniversary show, and even won the Battle Royale!
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Post by Mister Yummy on Feb 29, 2008 4:38:57 GMT -5
Yes, they exagerate it, but the exageration is what makes Pro Wrestling great!
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Post by Mister Yummy on Feb 28, 2008 23:39:45 GMT -5
Try the Irish Whip sometimes. It legit works. It's almost impossible to not run when someone does it to you.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Feb 28, 2008 16:09:36 GMT -5
The Hurricanrana is a head drop. It's effectively a piledriver done with a fancy set up. See Scott Steiner's Frankensteiner to see what I mean.
The Top Rope variation is a bit different. It can be a head drop, but usually, it's just a powerful throw, with alot of strain on the neck. Impact is on the back and shoulders, and it impacts like a powerslam. It's no less realistic than a Superplex in execution. Somtimes, it takes too long to set up, but throwing someone with your legs is no less realistic than throwing them with your arms. The legs are stronger, just most people have less articulation in them.
I believe, but I'm not sure, that Goldenbane means a Flying Headscissors when he says Screwdriver. The move known as a screwdriver is a suplex into a piledriver, and I don't see how anyone could not get that move.
The Flying Headscissors, where a wrestler, usually a mexican cruiserweight, runs toward his opponent, twists his arms, swings upside down, wraps his legs around his opponent's hear, and throws him down, with his face toward his opponent, almost works legit. If you could get up there by yourself, you could feasibly throw your opponent with your legs. However, it's all but impossible to get in that position without your opponent's assistance.
The Flying Headscissors isn't a high-impact move. It's more of a throw, like a hip toss or an arm drag, or even a snap mare. In fact, it's most analogous to a snapmare done with the legs instead of the arms.
The Uranage Slam, or Sambo Suplex(generic names for the Rock Bottom/Bookend), is often mis-perceived. The performing wrestler lifts his opponent with a hand on his back, much like one would do a choke slam. The lifting force is not in the arm over the neck and shoulders. The impact is on the lower back, which is a weaker spot than the upper back where most bumps impact.
Finally, the Brain Chop...let's see...the reason it works better than a punch is that the impact is spread over a thinner area. Think of a punch as hitting something with a club, and a chop as hitting something with an axe.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Feb 28, 2008 6:42:20 GMT -5
You get much dizzier facing downward than facing straight ahead. The person being spun also spind over a larger arc, therby getting dizzier. The airplane spin works legit. Try it on someone, and they'll have a hard time walking, or kicking out of a pin, while you'll be reletively un-dizzy.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Feb 28, 2008 5:44:58 GMT -5
Suplexes work legit. A Belly-to-belly, Belly-to-back, or even a German is your freind in a real fight. Even a verticle suplex will work if you're strong enough, and if you hook the leg like a Fisherman's Suplex, it's easy.
The Abdominal Stretch hurts legit too. Doubters should have someone who knows how to do the move apply it correctly on them sometime. In my opinion, the best submission holds are painful, but have little chance for injury, and the Ab Stretch fits that bill.
The Stunner, and other moves of the sort(Cutter, Flatliner, etc.), works, in kayfabe, by applying pressure to certain pressure points under the neck, rendering a person temporarily unable to move. The stunner itself applies the most impact to these points. A cutter has the added benefit of slamming the opponent's face into the mat, and the Flatliner...well...it is kinda pointless, but it looks cool.
In pro wrestling, punches are openhanded, and therefore don't do as much damage as a closed fist punch. That's the kayfabe explaination as to why wrestlers don't look like boxers after their matches. It works in real life too. Try pnching something open handed, and see how much impact you get.
Irish Whips work legit. It's almost impossible to nbot run when someone does one to you. The same goes for Slingshots. You will be propelled forward when done correctly.
Now onto moves I don't get.
The Styles Clash. AJ Takes all the impact. How is this even supposed to hurt?
Hmmm...that's really the only one I can think of.
There are a few moves I see differently than most people as to why they're effective.
"Greetings from Asbury Park" and other Fire Thunder's are NOT headdrops. They work primarily by driving the performing wrestler's shoulder into their opponent's gut.
DVD's impact on the back and shoulders.
Clothselines and Lariats, done properly, impact across the chest, not the neck. This is in actuality, and not just my explaination of kayfabe. it annoys me to no end when people talk about how they're supposed to hit around the neck.
The Burning Hammer is not a headdrop. It impacts like a powerbomb to the back and shoulders.
Hmm...that's all I can think of there too.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Feb 28, 2008 5:12:02 GMT -5
How the hell did Scott Baio get pregnant? Why is it just the subject of a reality show, and not of a groundbreaking medical report? You'd think being the first pregnant man in medical history would get more press...
Anyways, Eric Bischoff showed up on WWE TV in late 2002 and hugged Vince McMahon, causing millions of dollars to swirl down the toilet. He was then an on-screen General Manager fro RAW for about 3 years. Vince Kayfabe fired him, and he wrote a book. No one's seen him since then.
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