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Post by saintpat on Oct 17, 2016 12:55:56 GMT -5
Probably Jeff Hardy, though not sure of the status of his TNA (and whether they have breached it, or will breach it, by then).
And James Ellsworth. Who I hope wins it.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 17, 2016 12:24:18 GMT -5
So the content of all conversations should be considered private and anyone who tells someone else about any conversation they have is being a dick? LOL. There's a difference between word of mouth and posting evidence of the convo without the persons consent. I don't care much either way, but I can see why it's a dick move. To me it's much more honest because you see both sides of the conversation. If Mick was baited, you'd see that. If he had said "FU" because the person had called him a name, you'd know that. If it was word of mouth and someone posted that Foley had said that Summer wasn't worthy of a push, people would likely be saying it was out of context (it would have been) or that he never said it. If I'm part of a conversation -- unless I'm a priest taking confession or a lawyer talking to a client -- then I can share it with whomever I like. I guess all that inside info and "newz" is all the result of dick moves -- things learned in company emails and meetings where people had conversations -- but I never have once seen anyone complain that it was a dick move to reveal it. Didn't see one post that CM Punk relating content from all those private conversations during the Colt Cabana podcast was a dick move, nor anyone rail on what a dick move all those shoot interviews are when they also involve private info. Foley nor any other employee should assume that conversations will never be revealed. They shouldn't relate opinions to complete strangers that might be hurtful to someone on the roster ("he/she just isn't good enough" or "isn't over") unless they would be OK with everyone knowing they said it.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 17, 2016 11:54:53 GMT -5
I guess I'll take the other side because I don't understand: Why is this a dick move? Two people have a conversation and one of them decides to share what was said. Does the fact that it happened on Twitter -- a SOCIAL media -- somehow make it supposedly secret? Why is this different than if the guy ran into Mick Foley somewhere and had the same conversation in person and then shared it (which happens all the time on these message boards -- "I talked to so-and-so at a show and he/she said ...") We get to see both sides of the conversation, which we don't when people have an in-person conversation and someone decides to share it (we don't know if a person posts about, say, CM Punk being a dick when the poster ran into him somewhere at an airport or whatever, if that person was actually being a dick and Punk just responded in kind, for example). I don't see that Foley said anything he should be ashamed of with it being made public. If someone emailed a WWE wrestler or other employee and got an email response, should that be considered something they couldn't tell anyone about? It's a dick move because it's akin to secretly filming someone you have a conversation with. It was a private message. So the content of all conversations should be considered private and anyone who tells someone else about any conversation they have is being a dick? LOL.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 17, 2016 11:29:14 GMT -5
Buy two:
Any man with two shirts has a fighting chance.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 17, 2016 11:16:04 GMT -5
It should be pretty easy to refute WWE's statement that she failed the test for an illegal drug if she was instead using legally-prescribed pain killers (which was her original story) that came from a legit doctor, and the only dispute was that she didn't use a WWE doctor. She could post a pic of the prescription and the pill bottle and say, "THESE are the drugs that WWE is claiming are illegal -- and here's proof that they were legally obtained from a licensed doctor." She hasn't done anything like that or even tried to stick to her story after WWE went the extra mile to refute her story. I don't know if she's an addict or not. I do know her pattern of behavior seems to fit that of a person with a real problem. I think it's OK to comment on that -- we do it all the time on message boards. She's very public with her behavior (the proposal was in a ring in front of people, she's posing for photos and videos that are on social media and she's posted plenty of her own). So there's going to be public scrutiny. I agree that people like yourself who withhold judgment or who don't believe she has a problem shouldn't be treated as "Paige marks" and dismissed, but I also think people who like Cena or Roman have legit opinions and take a lot of uncalled-for grief for saying so. Possibly because she knows she's going to get into even more trouble fighting WWE on this thing, or she didn't realise they were illegal until WWE called her out on it, or maybe she is just a liar. Again, it comes down to not really knowing the full facts of the situation. Hopefully we will someday soon. Pictures and video, unless they are of something specific, aren't proof of anything though. And seeing a picture of Paige in a bar or restaurant and saying "oh she doesn't look good in that picture, must be an addict who's going to die anyday now" is just asinine. I sympathise with the people who are concerned and maybe that's why they're thinking the worst. There's people on this very forum that have been through drug addiction and the like. But there are certainly people in this thread who come across as though they just want to jump to conclusions so they can act high and mighty, and judge and mock somebody who could be going through hard times. The only "proof" of anything is that she's failed two drug tests in a very short time. I personally can't imagine WWE would open themsevles up to a can't-win defamation lawsuit by saying in a statement that the second test (at least) was for an illegal drug without being 100 percent sure they could prove if if challenged to do so, so I'll take the leap and say she used illegal drugs. Once you establish that, it's not unfair to look at her pattern of behavior and jump to conclusions that something is off here. What I don't get is where was the impassioned defense of Ric Flair when people claimed he was drunk on several occasions (where the "proof" other than his erratic behavior?) or Jeff Hardy being impaired in the ring in a TNA PPV main event, etc. These kind of threads and posts aren't exaclty new territory, people have opined that someone was on drugs or had a problem literally hundreds of times. My own personal belief is that some (which I'm not saying includes you) people are defending her because she's a little hotty. If this was a 290-pound ugly male of similar fame, accomplishment and ability, I don't think here would be so much angst on the part of those saying that it's unfair.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 17, 2016 10:48:02 GMT -5
Rey went to rehab for painkiller addicton, Orton has spoken many times about problems with drug usage early in his career, and on Regal you have an interesting definition of clean if it excludes illegally obtained PEDs . Many of the others aren't really valid comparisons to Paige's situation since they were wellnessed for PEDs, unless you think Paige is juicing to try and get jacked for her return or something, it seems unlikely. Not that I am jumping to the 'she's a drug addict' conclusion here, I will distinguish 'drug addiction' from 'drug problem' and say that failing two drug tests and losing appx. 25% of your salary over it is a pretty textbook example of a drug problem. Regal is clean from hard drugs, which is what pops into the head of about 90% of the population when you say 'drug addiction'. That shouldn't be the case really, but most people aren't going to call you a drug addict if you say you smoke weed everyday. I don't think Paige has been on steroids but I also don't know. That's my problem with this whole thing, basing opinions on assumptions, here-say and absolutely meaningless things like "she looks a bit off in that picture" when the reality is we don't know the full story. We know the headlines without the blanks being filled in. I also don't like the implication from some people that if you don't immediately castigate Paige for being a crazy drug addict who's going to die any day now then you're either stupid or some kind of Paige fanboy. The reality is I don't even care for Paige that much. She's attractive but her character and matches haven't done that much for me. My own personal theory is that Paige has gone to a (possibly unknowingly to her) shady doctor to get illegal painkillers for her neck injury and WWE won't have it. That makes more sense than just "oh well she's on coke then". But again, I don't know that's true, which is why I'm not talking like it's fact and judging the involved parties based on it. It should be pretty easy to refute WWE's statement that she failed the test for an illegal drug if she was instead using legally-prescribed pain killers (which was her original story) that came from a legit doctor, and the only dispute was that she didn't use a WWE doctor. She could post a pic of the prescription and the pill bottle and say, "THESE are the drugs that WWE is claiming are illegal -- and here's proof that they were legally obtained from a licensed doctor." She hasn't done anything like that or even tried to stick to her story after WWE went the extra mile to refute her story. I don't know if she's an addict or not. I do know her pattern of behavior seems to fit that of a person with a real problem. I think it's OK to comment on that -- we do it all the time on message boards. She's very public with her behavior (the proposal was in a ring in front of people, she's posing for photos and videos that are on social media and she's posted plenty of her own). So there's going to be public scrutiny. I agree that people like yourself who withhold judgment or who don't believe she has a problem shouldn't be treated as "Paige marks" and dismissed, but I also think people who like Cena or Roman have legit opinions and take a lot of uncalled-for grief for saying so.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 17, 2016 10:38:32 GMT -5
I guess I'll take the other side because I don't understand:
Why is this a dick move? Two people have a conversation and one of them decides to share what was said. Does the fact that it happened on Twitter -- a SOCIAL media -- somehow make it supposedly secret? Why is this different than if the guy ran into Mick Foley somewhere and had the same conversation in person and then shared it (which happens all the time on these message boards -- "I talked to so-and-so at a show and he/she said ...")
We get to see both sides of the conversation, which we don't when people have an in-person conversation and someone decides to share it (we don't know if a person posts about, say, CM Punk being a dick when the poster ran into him somewhere at an airport or whatever, if that person was actually being a dick and Punk just responded in kind, for example). I don't see that Foley said anything he should be ashamed of with it being made public.
If someone emailed a WWE wrestler or other employee and got an email response, should that be considered something they couldn't tell anyone about?
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Post by saintpat on Oct 16, 2016 14:45:39 GMT -5
Brawler knows this lawsuit is as credible as the dirty window guy in "My Cousin Vinny" Brawler to investigator: You wuz serious about dat?
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Post by saintpat on Oct 16, 2016 14:10:21 GMT -5
James. Ellsworth.
The List.
Cruisers.
AJ and KO with the major belts.
The subtle shifting of Cena's character and the show(s) not being built around him (for quite some time, actually).
Sasha.
EDIT: Should have added the spirit of true friendship exhibited by Jericho and Owens every week, an example to all mankind (that's not a Foley reference, although he could learn a thing or two from these guys).
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Post by saintpat on Oct 16, 2016 13:32:12 GMT -5
It'll never not be funny. Billy C should just buy the That 70s Show loop ad instead. Probably got higher ratings.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 16, 2016 13:28:41 GMT -5
Could be I just did a Google search and looked for just a minute, but Cesaro's Wiki doesn't make any definitive statements about why he was released. Although Vince releasing Claudio for ditching his indie dates just doesn't sound like Vince to me. After all Vince has never cared much about wrestling companies he doesn't own. Even recently if he had a change of heart he could have let Alberto Del Rio drop the title he was holding in AAA, but wouldn't lend him out just for that. Vince gets peeved if a wrestler breaks their previous agreement with wrestling promoters such as cancelling indy dates to enter WWE sooner. Cesaro cancelled indie dates and that pissed Vince. Not just because of lack of respect for the promoters due that action but also WWE don't want them coming after them for lawsuits due to breach of contract. I missed seeing Daniel Bryan on a WWE house show once because he was doing a previous scheduled show with Northeast Wrestling. This is right after he returned back to WWE after being fired. Alberto's situation was weird because it was a terrible breakup between him and AAA. WWE didn't trust them not to pull something on Del Rio as retaliation. Plus Alberto wasn't in the mood to returning back. Especially when some AAA people said they had a going away present for him. AJ Styles finished up some dates before his first appearance. Saw him at a ROH show in Atlanta like 2 weeks before the Rumble where he wasn't actually in a match but did show and had some brief, safe, non-match action with the BC. The following weekend he had his farewell appearance at a Georgia indy show, defeating Corey Hollis, then moved to WWE.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 13, 2016 20:40:31 GMT -5
I started to post something snarky. But I read it again and thought, 'Good for you, Bret. You don't have to be that guy and I'm glad you recognized it.'
Takes a man to admit he's wrong. Respect to the Hitman.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 13, 2016 20:33:57 GMT -5
Will Asuka give her the piggy nose?
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Post by saintpat on Oct 13, 2016 11:28:12 GMT -5
At WM Axxess, Jericho should charge $50 a pop for fans to stand in line and get their names on the list. He writes it down, you take a phone pic of it and move along for the next person to take their turn.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 13, 2016 10:04:21 GMT -5
I think I'm more concerned about why they are both dressed like The Fonz That's one of the first signs.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 13, 2016 0:39:32 GMT -5
Episode 2: HHH arrives to save the day. Hunter: OK, Dixie, I've got a check for a cool million for your tape library. Dixie: But I keep TNA and I'm still in charge? Hunter: Well, yes and no. Dixie: Hunter: Yes, you're still in charge. But no, the company no longer exists once you cash our check. So you're in charge of nothing. Dixie: Which means I'm still in charge, right? Hunter: Whatever. Boys in the back: Where does that leave us? Hunter: You don't have to work for Dixie anymore. Consider yourselves saved. Boys in the back: Good point. Hunter: Oh, and tell Matt and Jeff I'll see them on Monday. Billy C: What about me? Hunter: Don't worry, you're taken care of. You get a free month of the WWE Network, where you can catch all of the archived TNA action. Billy C: But, but ... Hunter: OK, crew, pack it up. Our work here is done. Let's go see if we can save Chikara from those clowns next week.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 12, 2016 22:58:18 GMT -5
I was also touched when it got real with Rhyno's response.
But his slight eye-movement reactions when Slater was answering the "which superhero would you be" question was priceless.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 12, 2016 21:30:10 GMT -5
Hate that he's injured but he was nowhere near main roster-ready when he arrived at NXT and hasn't yet reached that point from what I've seen.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 12, 2016 21:18:35 GMT -5
The recent trend of hirings kind of makes me wish CM Punk waited a decade to debut. A two-handed James Ellsworth would have run him out of WWE anyway. Just saved him from the inevitable.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 11, 2016 21:04:49 GMT -5
This can only be settled one way: BEST OF SEVEN!!!!
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