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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 25, 2015 19:58:35 GMT -5
Amanda is not impressed
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 25, 2015 19:48:08 GMT -5
AND THE YE-TAY!
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 25, 2015 19:41:53 GMT -5
That was...not good
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 25, 2015 19:37:45 GMT -5
ZZ looks like an absolute doofus
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 25, 2015 16:24:43 GMT -5
I continue to maintain that the general audience is turned off by Seth Rollins as champion. I'm guessing they don't consider his MITB run a championship run, even though he was the main heel during that whole fall too. That definitely would not help audience burnout on the guy as top heel. Raw was by far at its most boring in 2014 when Rollins was the top heel on the show with no real champion. So pretty much the guy has been defacto champion from September of 2014 until now, outside the brief period of Lesnar's return in January and parts of March.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 25, 2015 16:21:44 GMT -5
All that says to me is that some people didn't really want "change" in the way women are treated as much as they wanted the NXT divas to get called up and bury everyone else. But that's the only realistic option. They aren't going to just fire The Bellas or Naomi or Tamina. And if they truly are superior workers, they should be at the top of the division. As hard as it may be to believe, but there is a portion of the audience that does want to see the Bellas on top because of Total Divas. My sister a year or two ago asked me if they were gonna be wrestling while I was watching WrestleMania and came in to watch the big divas match on the show because she wanted to see them. You can't make them look like complete shit, especially since there's only 3 new divas being called up. Remember when they turned Beth and Natalya heel in 2011? Everyone wanted them to destroy everyone. Literally in the span of one week Beth Phoenix had completely annihilated all but ONE babyface diva on the roster. Then when it came time for her to face Kelly Kelly at SummerSlam, the options were A. Have her bury Kelly and thereby have legit no competition left or B. Have Kelly win (in flukey fashion) to make the division still competitive. I completely agreed with Option B (the one they went with) but some people were livid because they hated the notion that Kelly could beat Beth. They'd have rather seen Beth Phoenix as a dominant champion with no one to face than the diva they deemed "inferior" keeping the division competitive. If they did make the other divas now look inferior, all it does it put us in a never-ending cycle of Charlotte vs. Becky vs. Sasha matches, something that NXT's diva division essentially was for the past year already.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 25, 2015 16:17:32 GMT -5
But this is just ridiculous.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 25, 2015 16:14:33 GMT -5
The trouble is, there's no ideal way to have this 'revolution' without just getting rid of most of the main roster women. The NXT women got over by having great matches and establishing vivid characters. They can't have those matches with the likes of the Bellas and Naomi. It's not possible, for any of a number of reasons. Which means they need to be having those matches against each other, and impressing the audience that way. Trouble is, if they do that then where does that leave the Divas? Do you run two separate programmes of women's wrestling? Do you try to merge them somehow, when you've got some women who are recognised as good wrestlers? Do you pull a Nexus, and have the NXT women band together and beat down the divas? But then they'd have to turn on one another to give you those good matches again. The WWE has not handled it well, but I don't think there's a way to do this without revolutionising some things in ways that they're just not prepared to do. They'd have been better off leaving them in NXT until the contracts of most of the main roster divas ran out. Ultimately, it comes down to the opposing philosophies of NXT and RAW/Smackdown. One is conducive to developing wrestling talent, putting on great matches and efficiently telling stories that people care about. The other isn't. But you don't HAVE to get rid of them. Just position the NXT call ups at the top and make the Bellas and others the supporting cast. All that says to me is that some people didn't really want "change" in the way women are treated as much as they wanted the NXT divas to get called up and bury everyone else.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 25, 2015 16:10:39 GMT -5
I continue to maintain that the general audience is turned off by Seth Rollins as champion.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 25, 2015 15:35:29 GMT -5
Meltzer & Alvarez were talking about last night's segment and they brought up a huge point: NXT has never bragged about its women's division. There was no "Divas Revolution™" or "look how awesome the women wrestle here!" It was always just women coming out, showing their personalities, building drama, and blowing off that drama with great matches. The main roster has none of that. Hell, I made that thread about Becky's mic skills because going off about cyborg animals was closest thing ANY of the divas on the main roster came to showing a personality since this whole thing began! That's a huge problem with WWE's booking in general. How often does Michael Cole have to explain the story of a match (or an entire feud or basic character traits - ex. Michael Cole tells us that Bray calls the phones his fireflies), on commentary, while the match is going on? If the match/feud is so weak that I could not tell you why it's happening if not for Cole's commentary, then there is something wrong with how it's been booked. They seem to be of the belief that it is best for Cole to just tell us everything, instead of having the wrestlers show us anything. I think they have the belief that the audience short attention spans (aka is full of idiots/only watch for 15 minutes) so they won't remember anything, thereby needing someone else to explain things during the match.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 25, 2015 15:31:56 GMT -5
I feel sorry for Becky Lynch and Charlotte (and Sasha, but she wasn't involved last night). The Bella's, Alicia and Paige (to a lesser extent) are used to being in awkward, badly written segments and matches that the crowd crap over, but Becky and Charlotte have been involved in some great stuff for a long time. The 'Four Horsewomen' deserve better than what happened last night Becky Lynch debuted as an Irish step-dancer coming out to stereotypical Irish music so I think she at least knows some crappy stuff.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 25, 2015 2:17:14 GMT -5
Michelle McCool losing to Layla at Extreme Rules in 2011.
Becuase of the loss she had to LEAVE wwe
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 25, 2015 1:55:17 GMT -5
Dammit why didn't I think of this live...or at all instead of stealing it from a YouTube comment:
"THAT'S NOT STING THAT'S A STATUE OF STING"
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 25, 2015 1:46:56 GMT -5
It did for Daniel Bryan. I'll grant on some level that's true, though part of the reason fans got so invested in that and insisted on a payoff there is because they had the building blocks in place for a classic story and were just refusing to put it all together. That story had some dumb, terrible stuff in it to be sure, but all in all there were a lot of great moments long before the payoff and people were just hoping to see it all come together in the right way. Bryan was also going out there and having good matches. Arguably the best match of Bray Wyatt's career was in the middle of all of that craziness at the Royal Rumble in 2014. If Bryan was going out there and having shitty matches with bad promo segments, I doubt the crowd would have been as forceful as they were to change things. If Bryan was on the show tonight in a pointless tag match, the crowd would not have been doing the wave and chanting dumb stuff when he was in the ring I can tell you that much.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 25, 2015 1:33:54 GMT -5
Not defending Paige and The Bella Twins here, but I do have a hypothetical that I'd like to discuss... Do you think part of their frustration is that they know what the endgame for all this is (if there even IS one, whatever it may or may not be) and they're upset that the fans (however justified they may be) aren't willing to ride it out until then? I mean, as much as we like to act like we do, we DON'T know 100% what's going to happen next, we can only assume based on what we've seen and are seeing now. I don't know, but imagine if some fans got their way and these 3, along with Alicia, Tamina, and Naomi were in fact jobbed out to oblivion to Charlotte, Sasha, and Becky. How do you think they'd feel then? It would essentially be management's way of saying "You all suck, these newbies are better than you, and we're gonna make you look like shit on tv." What the hell would that accomplish outside of shrinking the division to a handful of people and pissing off 75% of the division?
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 24, 2015 22:54:59 GMT -5
Yeah so eliminate those people and now who wrestles? Paige is a face and she hasn't been great either. Nikki isn't that great either. Now you have Sasha, Becky, and Charlotte just wrestling each other all the time, which A. Isn't original at all since that's what the last year of NXT was and B. Accomplishes nothing except makes everyone else look horrible, thereby leaving you with 3 or 4 divas wrestling each other on a never-ending basis, something that was always a complaint in the past about both genders. Part of me sees this as so many people had these ridiculously high hopes that the 4 NXT divas would come up and all of a sudden be putting on 5 star matches every night on regular tv, when if you watched the weekly NXT shows you'd know that really wasn't even the case there. I don't know I just think that you can't just blame the writing staff when they're not even putting on good matches. So give up. Makes perfect sense. Instead of working with things and doing it right, give up and blame the internet. Love it. Please everyone here is freaking out and blaming the writing staff in spite of the fact that all of the divas were given plenty of time to tear the house down in an arena with a crowd that SHOULD be giving them great reactions and they shit the bed twice. Yeah I haven't liked the angle either, but there's been plenty of angles I didn't like with good matches. I'm not gonna blame Kevin Dunn because Becky Lynch and Charlotte were in shitty matches for a change.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 24, 2015 22:48:20 GMT -5
Yeah but everyone kept talking about the matches that the divas were having in NXT, I never heard a peep about characters and stories because they didn't make sense all the time either (i.e. Charlotte and Becky Lynch turning face for no reason, the revolving door of everyone turning on Bayley once a month) but giving them time to wrestle was a huge thing everyone asked for. They got the time the last couple of days and each time was the worst match on the show. At what point do you at least criticize the talent too for not putting on a great match? Because story is a huge part of matches. You cannot just throw people out there and expect something to work when there is no reason to. And maybe, just maybe, and this can be damaging to the heart so please sit down, not everyone in this storyline is good. Brie, Tamina, and Naomi are the drizzling shits. Nikki is good and can be great with the right opponent and the same goes for Paige. And once again, just throwing people out there and saying "Wrestle" does not make a good match and that is all we've gotten from this so far. We've seen Becky, Charlotte and Sasha have great matches not only this year but in the last few weeks so to say the talent isn't there is just asinine. Yeah so eliminate those people and now who wrestles? Paige is a face and she hasn't been great either. Nikki isn't that great either. Now you have Sasha, Becky, and Charlotte just wrestling each other all the time, which A. Isn't original at all since that's what the last year of NXT was and B. Accomplishes nothing except makes everyone else look horrible, thereby leaving you with 3 or 4 divas wrestling each other on a never-ending basis, something that was always a complaint in the past about both genders. Part of me sees this as so many people had these ridiculously high hopes that the 4 NXT divas would come up and all of a sudden be putting on 5 star matches every night on regular tv, when if you watched the weekly NXT shows you'd know that really wasn't even the case there. I don't know I just think that you can't just blame the writing staff when they're not even putting on good matches.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 24, 2015 22:33:11 GMT -5
They gave them 15 minutes tonight and 15 minutes on pay-per-view. How else are they supposed to bring the girls up without having them fight the current divas? and if they just completely job the current divas out to them, then the new divas have no one to wrestle so that gets us nowhere either. You let them get their characters over, have more than one feud and stop relying on things that have failed to gain a following. You don't just throw 3 girls in the division, tell people it is different now and walk away dusting your hands off. WWE actually has to put some effort in and not just walk away from a job they they didn't even start and claim it to be finished. Yeah but everyone kept talking about the matches that the divas were having in NXT, I never heard a peep about characters and stories because they didn't make sense all the time either (i.e. Charlotte and Becky Lynch turning face for no reason, the revolving door of everyone turning on Bayley once a month) but giving them time to wrestle was a huge thing everyone asked for. They got the time the last couple of days and each time was the worst match on the show. At what point do you at least criticize the talent too for not putting on a great match?
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 24, 2015 22:23:42 GMT -5
I'm a fan. I don't resent them. They shouldn't have to carry all the weight whenever the fans don't like a match or a segment doesn't go over as expected. People need to realize even their NXT golden girls contribute to the negative things as well. You're in the minority then. Fans live and online have resented the diva division for years for a reason. We all know that's simply a fact. It's been the annoying piss break segment of shows for years. Let's be honest, that's the stigma we see and have mostly all said. We're at a strange time though because fans are BEGGING WWE to treat it with more respect and quit having it be that piss break. NXT's women division has made womens wrestling exciting and fans want to see it on a bigger stage. They want to have that equal footing with men. WWE has one foot in the door and one out, it has to make a choice here on which way to take the division. They gave them 15 minutes tonight and 15 minutes on pay-per-view. How else are they supposed to bring the girls up without having them fight the current divas? and if they just completely job the current divas out to them, then the new divas have no one to wrestle so that gets us nowhere either.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 24, 2015 22:21:00 GMT -5
This dude, of all people, gets to pretty much skip developmental? How does that happen? Despite not being on tv, he's been with NXT since May of 2013.
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