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Post by hollywood on Aug 13, 2007 12:56:45 GMT -5
I know I've said this before, but how does it make TNA look when a guy from WWE manages to win every single title in the company within less than a year?  When it's kurt freaking angle not too bad... I disagree...  |
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Post by maverick on Aug 13, 2007 12:57:22 GMT -5
...and then hiring some people that know how to book a wrestling show (Heyman, Bischoff, Cornette). Not to be an ass but, it always strikes me as strange that people bring out Heyman, Cornette, and Bischoff as saviors of TNA and great bookers. Maybe a little less with Cornette but have we forgotten that Heyman ran ECW into the ground? While I claim no insider knowledge wasn't the Bisch in charge of everything WCW? I guess the argument could be made that although good bookers they were bad business men. By the same token you could also say that each one was brilliant for awhile. ECW in its heyday, WCW during the NWO before it got stale (A stable with over 20 members? who thought that was a good idea?) I think honestly they should keep Angle, Let Sting retire, Hire a better production crew, work on getting a two hour slot (and stop freaking hiring people!) I like what was mentioned on how to use Xplosion like a heat type show. I think the roster is there but they need to keep certain people off booking. If you want to book you should not be allowed on camera in anyway shape or form as this just leads to the booker wanting to get camera time for themselves. Because there are only two big players (sorry ROH fans) there is PLENTY of talent to go around. If Nash, sting, Steiner etc don't like it show them the door. While I find Petey Williams boring as a person the canadien destroyer is a STUNNING move in my opinion. I could see him reworking Owen Hart's persona around the time DX was calling him the nugget. Let him be the final member of team canada and a loner. ( I think I just figured a way to use him in EWR!) Let the X division be about the cruiser weights. I know its not about weight but it damn well should be. Let there be a secondary heavyweight belt for mid carders to go after and create compelling stories about. This also allows the Sonjay Dutts and Jay Lethals to stay with the X division stuff. People like Christopher Daniels and AJ styles move back and forth as needed between all three title scenes as they are the most versatile and believable I'm not for a women's division at this time. They are having enough trouble booking the men. The women would be abysmal. I also think that while the smark crowd appreciates the Nora Greewald's and such the reality is that the american audience is about the T & A and could give a crap about womens wrestling. As over as Mickie James is or Candice Michelle or any other diva...they are sporradic on TV and there is a reason for that Those fueds just dont sell. |
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Post by Richard on Aug 13, 2007 13:04:16 GMT -5
...and then hiring some people that know how to book a wrestling show (Heyman, Bischoff, Cornette). Not to be an ass but, it always strikes me as strange that people bring out Heyman, Cornette, and Bischoff as saviors of TNA and great bookers. Maybe a little less with Cornette but have we forgotten that Heyman ran ECW into the ground? While I claim no insider knowledge wasn't the Bisch in charge of everything WCW? I guess the argument could be made that although good bookers they were bad business men. By the same token you could also say that each one was brilliant for awhile. ECW in its heyday, WCW during the NWO before it got stale (A stable with over 20 members? who thought that was a good idea?) Cornette, Heyman can book a wrestling show like none other but, Heyman sucks at business (I have no clue how Cornette would do running the whole thing). Bischoff did amazing on the early days of Nitro with the nWo and the focus on wrestling otherwise. I wasn't saying put these men in charge of the money side, God no. That was why I said find someone who is good with money and have them hire someone good with wrestling (those were just three examples) to run the wrestling side of things. |
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 13, 2007 13:29:46 GMT -5
Jesus Christ......NO ONE has any patience anymore. The fans, the bookers, the wrestlers, etc.
During RAW, when Maven had a world title shot again HHH, and Chris Benoit(Yes, Chris Benoit. f*** that Harry potter shit.) came in and asked him how he felt. He asked how long ol' Mavey had been in wreslting. He said 5 years or so. Benoit reminded him how he had to wait 18 years for that opportunity at Mania 20.
Here's the thing: We know Bookers dobn't have patience, especially the ones who want for things to improve rapidly liike in TNA. So, I'm not even gonna go in it again.
The fans, though.....What is wrong? If there's one thing you can never do, is please all your fans. Threy have no patience or view except what their feelings are, and those chance almost daily. One day, you like this guy, and then enxt you wish he was fired. This fed looks good one day, and you want it to go bankrupt the next. Not to mention all the fixes they have in mind, that go past logic, and seem to be major wastes of money and time. Going on redoing every little thing and not doing a damn thing to do things slowly and logically. Plus, the amount of overreaction that is prevalent in here is almost astronomical! It's crazy! The fans are about as shortsighted and ignorant as the bookers, if not more so.
The wrestlers come in different spaces. You have the guys who are younger, from the smaller feds, and then you have the guys who are bigger. The bigger guys more than likely will not give much of a problem, other than any ego checks people will have. The same goes for the younger guys. Thery believe, because of their skill and how they did in the last place they were, they deserve the same things in a new space. You can't do that, especially with a different audience. WWE did it, and most of the guys come out to complete and utter silence. What makes anyone who has some indy show expeirence any better than a guy with top show experience?
So, can SOMEONE show some damn patience, any maybe things will get better in the long f***ing run?
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Post by comahan on Aug 13, 2007 13:40:09 GMT -5
Uhg, nothing needs 'saved'. Just because a lot of people on the internet doesn't like some decisions doesn't mean the company is dying.
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Post by poi zen rana on Aug 13, 2007 13:40:57 GMT -5
well if they aren't going to be complaining about every move tna makes then how will they get their daily ration of russo blaming out of the way?
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Post by hollywood on Aug 13, 2007 13:53:56 GMT -5
Uhg, nothing needs 'saved'. Just because a lot of people on the internet doesn't like some decisions doesn't mean the company is dying. I made this point earlier. I really don't like TNA right now, but they're surviving just fine without me. I don't really think it needs "saving" just yet. well if they aren't going to be complaining about every move tna makes then how will they get their daily ration of russo blaming out of the way? Dah ressslin' fans shood be kissin' iz feet! |
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Post by comahan on Aug 13, 2007 13:56:25 GMT -5
Uhg, nothing needs 'saved'. Just because a lot of people on the internet doesn't like some decisions doesn't mean the company is dying. I made this point earlier. I really don't like TNA right now, but they're surviving just fine without me. I don't really think it needs "saving" just yet. well if they aren't going to be complaining about every move tna makes then how will they get their daily ration of russo blaming out of the way? Dah ressslin' fans shood be kissin' iz feet! Then good point mate! I didn't read thru the whole thread, so yea. Btw, great sig. |
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Post by poi zen rana on Aug 13, 2007 13:56:29 GMT -5
or learning that not every crappy angle comes from russo...
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Post by hollywood on Aug 13, 2007 13:58:25 GMT -5
or learning that not every crappy angle comes from russo... This brings up another thing I've mentioned before... Dixie Carter insists that Russo isn't as involved as people think he is on creative meetings. Apparently, he's paid to just hang out backstage and drink coffee. |
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Post by ddt on Aug 13, 2007 14:05:06 GMT -5
I'm still sticking with TNA. Yes, I'm very disappointed in the whole Angle-this, Angle-that filling my tv screen every Thursday night; and yes, I'm disappointed in the ridiculous Russo-style booking of the last part of the Angle-Joe feud (which ruined the feud for me) and the involvement of Karen; and yes, I'm disappointed in the lack of air time and focus given to so many of the truly great talent on the roster (and the acquisition of guys like Andrew Martin, Matt Morgan and Dustin Rhodes); but I still choose to watch TNA because I enjoy the product as a whole. I don't watch the WWE and haven't for years. I have a collection of many TNA events on DVD and am happy with each of them. Just because I'm disappointed in the company's recent turn of events doesn't mean I'm abandoning TNA or am saying it's all crap.
I think most fans who have been expressing anger and disappointment after last night's PPV are mostly acting out of fear (for lack of a better word) that TNA is starting to become (or will soon start to become) WCW -- and we all know what happened with that company, and how its booking and politics infuriated its fan base.
TNA has such amazing potential and I don't think anyone (maybe other than some die-hard WWE marks) wants to see it fail. I'm patient enough to wait it out and see what happens -- but I can't not express my disappointment in some of the booking decisions going on there.
I sincerely hope the best for TNA and for its talent and for its fans.
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Post by comahan on Aug 13, 2007 14:16:13 GMT -5
or learning that not every crappy angle comes from russo... This brings up another thing I've mentioned before... Dixie Carter insists that Russo isn't as involved as people think he is on creative meetings. Apparently, he's paid to just hang out backstage and drink coffee. He could have been hired just to soak up all the blame from Jarrett and Mantell's desire to change the company from what it originally was! [/RandomTheory] |
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Post by kickassforumguyme on Aug 13, 2007 14:18:21 GMT -5
If WWE switched its name to TNA WWE would fail.
Its all about brand name.
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Post by poi zen rana on Aug 13, 2007 14:19:00 GMT -5
or he could have been hired to fill in parts of storylines and work on the minor storylines so the rest of the team can work on the bigger ones.
nah..... couldn't be....
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Post by poi zen rana on Aug 13, 2007 14:20:07 GMT -5
If WWE switched its name to TNA WWE would fail. Its all about brand name. exactly! if tna's big reason to get people to turn in was to see who jarrett's illegitimate child is, it would fail. |
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Post by comahan on Aug 13, 2007 14:22:03 GMT -5
or he could have been hired to fill in parts of storylines and work on the minor storylines so the rest of the team can work on the bigger ones. nah..... couldn't be.... Oh, I wasnt being serious. I agree with you. |
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 13, 2007 14:23:33 GMT -5
If WWE switched its name to TNA WWE would fail. Its all about brand name. Which explains this whole thing: WWE Show suckss(Let's say RAW, for example), random poster says "I'm never watching this again", and ends up watching next week due to the possible connection to the older days or need or addiction to see or watch anything wrestling. TNA iMPACT sucks(or WSX for another example), random poster says "I'm never watching this again" and won't watch due to no real connection to an earlier time and no nostalgia. People might still watch cause it's wrestling, but that's slim(not the mod). |
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Post by poi zen rana on Aug 13, 2007 14:23:45 GMT -5
that wasn't in reference to you. some people no matter what will blame every bad angle on russo.
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Post by hollywood on Aug 13, 2007 14:24:25 GMT -5
or he could have been hired to fill in parts of storylines and work on the minor storylines so the rest of the team can work on the bigger ones. nah..... couldn't be.... He's dere to weed out alluh dah boolls*** politics! Dah politics, Aww Dee! Dah politics!! |
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Post by poi zen rana on Aug 13, 2007 14:26:08 GMT -5
he's there to make sure nobody puts the belt on an immobile giant or midget.
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