Where does Joe go from here?

[thestinger]

I can't believe how far they've fallen in the last year but TNA now has one last chance to salvage the company.

Read the feedback, Jarrett and Dixie. Do the right thing. FIRE RUSSO!

NOW. Change the direction of the company and put Scott D'More back in charge of booking or use Jim Cornette.

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thestinger said:

I can't believe how far they've fallen in the last year but TNA now has one last chance to salvage the company.

Read the feedback, Jarrett and Dixie. Do the right thing. FIRE RUSSO!

NOW. Change the direction of the company and put Scott D'More back in charge of booking or use Jim Cornette.

Amen to the extreme. I second the motion: FIRE RUSSO!

How many times should one guy screw up and millions of fans raise hell about it before his boss gets a clue?

[poi zen rana]

russo only suggests ideas to the other two members on creative. he has the lowest position of power for creative. let's not act like he is running things.

that said cornette or d'amore in charge would be preferable.

[Hiroshi Hase]

poisonrana said:

yjc1019 said:

A few times I suppose, but isn't TNA supposed to not be as predictable as WWE? If so, they've failed miserably.

ideally tna would be less predictable. in my mind they are less predictable

(for example kurt having a fall out with his wife and her wanting a divorce, predictable. but kurt telling his daughter not to eat so much or else she will be fat like samoa joe, not as predictable and it made me smirk.

while the same week, raw has a dating segment with santino hacksaw and simmons, with simmons winning which was predictable. then they all just stick to a basic formula of rhyming jokes, and dumb "hoe" jokes that we have all heard before)

but even if you did not agree and claimed tna is just as predictable, how would it make them worse than the wwe?

Well, IMO it was predictable as once they mentioned that Kurt's wife was going to be at ringside, the dynamic of the better man between Joe/Angle and the belts were thrown out and given less priority under Karen and Guest at ringside.

WWE isn't claiming to be the best in "wrestling", just entertainment, you may not have liked the Dating Game segments, but the crowd ate it up and a lot of people watching at home loved it as well.

I think TNA is a lot worse than WWE right now because right now they're trying to be like the WWE with their silly storylines, but it comes off looking so poor and second-rate. Stuff like the Angle divorce deal which takes up a lot of time on a 1 hour show would be usually be on an episode of Raw, but TNA is doing it. It's like they're WWE-lite right now.

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poisonrana said:

russo only suggests ideas to the other two members on creative. he has the lowest position of power for creative. let's not act like he is running things.

that said cornette or d'amore in charge would be preferable.

It sure seems like he has more power and influence, though, doesn't it? The whole Angle/Mrs. Angle/divorce/turn-on-Joe angle has Russo written all over it. Whatever the case, Russo should not be in the wrestling game. I think he's proved that time and time again -- yet he still has a job. Go figure.

[poi zen rana]

i guess the reason i don't see the need for the big fit everyone throws is that even if tna is trying to be more sports entertainment, WHY WOULDn'T THEY? wwe made tons of money doing it so if they want to make some silly soap opera stuff to get more fans whatever. and why would they be as good as wwe at it? wwe has had much more experiencing cheating wrestling fans out of matches by making us watch segments and tna is trying to follow that path since is how the money is made in the wrestling world of the usa obviously.

regardless of whatever the crappy segments and cheesy storylines, i would still rather see angle vs joe than khali/batista or cena/orton.

[Hiroshi Hase]

poisonrana said:

i guess the reason i don't see the need for the big fit everyone throws is that even if tna is trying to be more sports entertainment, WHY WOULDn'T THEY? wwe made tons of money doing it so if they want to make some silly soap opera stuff to get more fans whatever. and why would they be as good as wwe at it? wwe has had much more experiencing cheating wrestling fans out of matches by making us watch segments and tna is trying to follow that path since is how the money is made in the wrestling world of the usa obviously.

regardless of whatever the crappy segments and cheesy storylines, i would still rather see angle vs joe than khali/batista or cena/orton.

TNA as of late don't seem to be good at anything, and that includes wrestling.

To each their own I guess, but it'd be a lot harder to predict the ending to Cena/Orton than last night's Joe/Angle match which pretty much everyone knew that Angle was going over.

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poisonrana said:

i guess the reason i don't see the need for the big fit everyone throws is that even if tna is trying to be more sports entertainment, WHY WOULDn'T THEY? wwe made tons of money doing it so if they want to make some silly soap opera stuff to get more fans whatever. and why would they be as good as wwe at it? wwe has had much more experiencing cheating wrestling fans out of matches by making us watch segments and tna is trying to follow that path since is how the money is made in the wrestling world of the usa obviously.

regardless of whatever the crappy segments and cheesy storylines, i would still rather see angle vs joe than khali/batista or cena/orton.

I think what was making TNA work was the fact that it WASN'T following in the WWE's footsteps. It provided fans with an alternative to the silly soap opera 'entertainment', and provided the starving wrestling fans with actual wrestling. I just hope TNA DOESN'T start focussing on being 'sports entertainment' and gets back on track with what it was doing.

[poi zen rana]

hey i totally agree on not wanting tna to follow in wwe's footsteps of sports entertainment. but i can not blame them for doing so when you look at how big the wwe has gotten by taking that path.

as far as orton/cena being less predictable than kurt/joe that may be but that is one match. were you surprised once when cena retained during the last 5 ppvs?

[Hiroshi Hase]

poisonrana said:

hey i totally agree on not wanting tna to follow in wwe's footsteps of sports entertainment. but i can not blame them for doing so when you look at how big the wwe has gotten by taking that path.

as far as orton/cena being less predictable than kurt/joe that may be but that is one match. were you surprised once when cena retained during the last 5 ppvs?

Not at all, but he's their top face and should go over most of the time. TNA seems to be centered around screwjob endings for their title matches which make them more predictable, such as last night's Angle/Joe match.

[poi zen rana]

true but to me predictable is predictable for whatever reason. then it just comes to down to quality of matches.

[The Portable Stove]

To me, the quality of matches go down when there's any kind of run-in.

By the way, no one could predict last month's match at the Great American Bash. There were many who thought Cena was going to retain, and many who thought that Lashley was going to take the title. Sure, in the end, Cena won, but it wasn't as predictable, AND it was a clean finish. In TNA, it seems recently, damn near every match has some kind of bullcrap finish.

Not to mention John Cena and Randy Orton work well together, and so far it's been proven that Samoa Joe and Kurt Angle can't.

[poi zen rana]

i didn't believe for a second that lashley was going to win the belt. orton has the biggest chance of any lately in my opinion and i still think randy has only a 20% of winning.

i know what you mean about run in finishes and the like. they do get annoying and are a bit of a cop out but i have enjoyed some of these matches until that point so i can not write off the in ring performance just because i did not enjoy the ending. that is just me.

as far as angle/joe goes i enjoyed some of their matches. i don't think they are a necessarily bad pairing, but i am not going to deny it could be better.

[Hiroshi Hase]

As for Angle, I see him retaining over Abyss next month and then Jeff Jarrett returns at Bound For Glory and beats Angle to get back the title as it would be a year since he's had it.

[Mozenrath]

leemir said:

Well he was screwed out of the match so he could go back after Angle.

NO.

As much as I want Joe to finally get the damn belt, that feud needs to be over. I am sick and tired of it.

[hollywood]

It's my understanding that WWE hasn't expressed much interest in Joe, because he doesn't really have the look they want.

Yea, I know it's been said, but I'd love to see Joe back in ROH. Maybe even be the guy to take the belt from Morishima and be the first 2-time ROH World Champ. I can dream, can't I?

[Mozenrath]

hollywood said:

It's my understanding that WWE hasn't expressed much interest in Joe, because he doesn't really have the look they want.

Yea, I know it's been said, but I'd love to see Joe back in ROH. Maybe even be the guy to take the belt from Morishima and be the first 2-time ROH World Champ. I can dream, can't I?

Actually, with Foley's recommendation, Vince gave specific instructions to draw to sign Joe, Punk, and Danielson. Punk went to WWE, Joe stuck with TNA, and Danielson decided to stick with ROH.

With a name that big, and the success of Punk, I wouldn't be remotely surprised if they'd love to have him. It's not like Colt Cabana had been an obvious pick.

[hollywood]

kiddobradley said:

hollywood said:

It's my understanding that WWE hasn't expressed much interest in Joe, because he doesn't really have the look they want.

Yea, I know it's been said, but I'd love to see Joe back in ROH. Maybe even be the guy to take the belt from Morishima and be the first 2-time ROH World Champ. I can dream, can't I?

Actually, with Foley's recommendation, Vince gave specific instructions to draw to sign Joe, Punk, and Danielson. Punk went to WWE, Joe stuck with TNA, and Danielson decided to stick with ROH.

With a name that big, and the success of Punk, I wouldn't be remotely surprised if they'd love to have him. It's not like Colt Cabana had been an obvious pick.

I knew Foley had recommended him alongside Punk. I just thought I'd recently read that the E wasn't all the interested. I wouldn't mind Joe going to WWE at all. I'm sure he'd do well there. (But then, I'm of the mentality that midcard hell in WWE is preferable to the main event in TNA.)

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kiddobradley said:

hollywood said:

It's my understanding that WWE hasn't expressed much interest in Joe, because he doesn't really have the look they want.

Yea, I know it's been said, but I'd love to see Joe back in ROH. Maybe even be the guy to take the belt from Morishima and be the first 2-time ROH World Champ. I can dream, can't I?

Actually, with Foley's recommendation, Vince gave specific instructions to draw to sign Joe, Punk, and Danielson. Punk went to WWE, Joe stuck with TNA, and Danielson decided to stick with ROH.

With a name that big, and the success of Punk, I wouldn't be remotely surprised if they'd love to have him. It's not like Colt Cabana had been an obvious pick.

If the WWE signed Joe, it would likely be just to harm TNA rather than because Vince would actually want Joe on his roster. (Of course, if TNA is stupid enough to squander Joe, it would probably serve the company right.) But Joe would probably be stuck in the WWE mid-card or in ECW, and never go anywhere. At least in TNA, he gets some main event and tv time.

[hollywood]

ddt said:

kiddobradley said:

Actually, with Foley's recommendation, Vince gave specific instructions to draw to sign Joe, Punk, and Danielson. Punk went to WWE, Joe stuck with TNA, and Danielson decided to stick with ROH.

With a name that big, and the success of Punk, I wouldn't be remotely surprised if they'd love to have him. It's not like Colt Cabana had been an obvious pick.

If the WWE signed Joe, it would likely be just to harm TNA rather than because Vince would actually want Joe on his roster. (Of course, if TNA is stupid enough to squander Joe, it would probably serve the company right.) But Joe would probably be stuck in the WWE mid-card or in ECW, and never go anywhere. At least in TNA, he gets some main event and tv time.

But in WWE, he'd probably be paid more?