Recent TNA thoughts

[hollywood]

poisonrana said:

hollywood said:

MCMG are probably TNA's hottest tag team at the moment. So, naturally, the best they can hope for is a win via 10 or 12 run-ins.

yea and jeff jarrett is coming back at victory road to win every belt and go on a six month title reign! oh and remember that time jay lethal lost the x division title the very next impact?

I don't know about all that, but I'm convinced that I have a better shot at scoring with Elisha Cuthbert than MCMG do at beating Team 3-D 100% clean.

[thestinger]

All of 3D's matches are tables matches, so is any victory really 'clean?'

I suspect both of you are right. I think the plan is probably the same formula TNA used badly in the 3D/LAX feud.

I expect the heel team (3D in this case) will win repeatedly in an attempt to build suspense to the 'final' match in the series where the babyfaces triumph.

Unfortunately, last time they tried this the feud went on so long, and fans were so tired of the feud that by the time the babyfaces went over, they had lost so many times to the heels they looked weak.

It didn't help that fans hated the babyfaces and loved the heels, so nobody wanted 3D to eventually win. Maybe it will work better because this time people actually like the faces and dislike the heels.

[poi zen rana]

sinister1 said:

poisonrana said:

yea and jeff jarrett is coming back at victory road to win every belt and go on a six month title reign! oh and remember that time jay lethal lost the x division title the very next impact?

He did do the last part in the first reign.

Maybe you can mention the whole "retiring the X-Belt" or "All of the undercard wrestlers wanting to leave" or "Angle to retain all 3 titles at No Surrender."

that is what i meant. i just remember the multiple guarantees that lethal would drop the belt immediately after beating kurt. of course he did lose a match (with some distraction that people conveniently seem to say wasn't enough to count as a dirty finish, despite any other time someone from the outside so much as talks to someone in the ring people cry about dirty tna finishes) and people just decided to complain about that instead.

hollywood said:

poisonrana said:

yea and jeff jarrett is coming back at victory road to win every belt and go on a six month title reign! oh and remember that time jay lethal lost the x division title the very next impact?

I don't know about all that, but I'm convinced that I have a better shot at scoring with Elisha Cuthbert than MCMG do at beating Team 3-D 100% clean.

wow i didn't know you and cuthbert were so close. i guess that is why we call you hollywood.

in all honesty i believe motor city has a great chance of beating team 3d cleanly. 3d doesn't exactly have a tremendous win loss record as of late. motor city doesn't either, but they have yet to be in a real feud (unless you count their backlund/lynn mini feud to establish them as a tag team in tna).

of course, i don't think it will matter if motor city beats team 3d 100% cleanly because people would just forget to mention that so they can continue to bash tna. would you have ever thought lethal would be kurt angle 100% cleanly? does that fact get brought up as much as lethal losing to daniels?

[The"threadicidal"bristolspapa]

What happened to that purple guy who was feuding with Abyss? I miss a few weeks, and there's a new feud.

[Michael Coello]

sheltonspapa said:

What happened to that purple guy who was feuding with Abyss? I miss a few weeks, and there's a new feud.

Judas got injured wrestling in Mexico, so they switched it to Black Reign to continue the theme of "Mitchell's monsters vs Abyss".

[poi zen rana]

sinister1 said:

sheltonspapa said:

What happened to that purple guy who was feuding with Abyss? I miss a few weeks, and there's a new feud.

Judas got injured wrestling in Mexico, so they switched it to Black Reign to continue the theme of "Mitchell's monsters vs Abyss".

this is what happened to messias
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSkTlSxPh2Q

[hollywood]

poisonrana said:

hollywood said:

I don't know about all that, but I'm convinced that I have a better shot at scoring with Elisha Cuthbert than MCMG do at beating Team 3-D 100% clean.

wow i didn't know you and cuthbert were so close. i guess that is why we call you hollywood.

in all honesty i believe motor city has a great chance of beating team 3d cleanly. 3d doesn't exactly have a tremendous win loss record as of late. motor city doesn't either, but they have yet to be in a real feud (unless you count their backlund/lynn mini feud to establish them as a tag team in tna).

of course, i don't think it will matter if motor city beats team 3d 100% cleanly because people would just forget to mention that so they can continue to bash tna. would you have ever thought lethal would be kurt angle 100% cleanly? does that fact get brought up as much as lethal losing to daniels?

In my defense, I think I'm hardly a "TNA basher." I've defended them on several occasions, and even acknowledged portions of their program I like--such as MCMG. I view them with the same amount of scrutiny I view WWE. It probably just seems I'm harder on them because I actually pay more attention to them than the WWE, which I virtually ignore these days.

What happened with Lethal was just stupid booking, pure and simple. I've droned on about it before, so there's no need to do it again.

Bottom line is this: I would be stunned if MCMG get anything resembling a clean win over Team 3-D. I'd be glad if I was wrong, however. But I don't think I will be. TNA has reached the level WWE has for me, in that the only thing they consistently do is disappoint me.

[poi zen rana]

hollywood i don't consider you a tna basher by any means. however, you do not watch tna itself as much as some others here it would seem. i get this impression from you talking about not watching it, especially while pacman was around. the problem that arises is tna bashing is at such a level you find it while reading results of an impact. i check how people describe things and have found some very petty stabs at tna by people reporting on it. if i were to base my idea of tna off of what i heard reported i would have zero faith in tna. truth is however they do enough good things to make mcmg have a very good chance of a clean win over 3d, but that is rarely the stuff that is talked about. when it comes to tna the gold is in reporting the bad and hammering on that.

here is another example. how many times did you hear people complaining about mcmgs getting beaten in a short match by vkm? now how often do you hear about how the mcmgs eliminated both of vkm in the pay per view match that the original match was a set up to?

[hollywood]

poisonrana said:

hollywood i don't consider you a tna basher by any means. however, you do not watch tna itself as much as some others here it would seem. i get this impression from you talking about not watching it, especially while pacman was around. the problem that arises is tna bashing is at such a level you find it while reading results of an impact. i check how people describe things and have found some very petty stabs at tna by people reporting on it. if i were to base my idea of tna off of what i heard reported i would have zero faith in tna. truth is however they do enough good things to make mcmg have a very good chance of a clean win over 3d, but that is rarely the stuff that is talked about. when it comes to tna the gold is in reporting the bad and hammering on that.

Every newz site does that. They're as merciless with WWE as they are with TNA. It's bad journalism, yes, but it's not changing anytime soon. But TNA is hardly persecuted. They're treated with the same petty, meanspirited reviews as WWE.

All I hear from TNA and its fans is b****ing about how unfair and biased everyone is. I'd be a little more impressed if they actually tried harder and busted their asses to prove all the "haterz" wrong, rather than justifying their ineptitude.

here is another example. how many times did you hear people complaining about mcmgs getting beaten in a short match by vkm? now how often do you hear about how the mcmgs eliminated both of vkm in the pay per view match that the original match was a set up to?

I remember people saying how stupid it was for them to lose to VKM in 90 seconds. Never read anything else about them eliminating VKM. The VKM loss is another example of stupid booking, though. Jobbing out your hottest tag team to a pair of past-their-prime b****ers and moaners who don't want to work there anyway is just about the dumbest thing any promoter can do.

[poi zen rana]

well i don't personally read the wwe results so i wasn't aware they were just as bad. it amazes me how they can continue if they spew a general bias towards everyone. oh well chalk it up to bad journalism.

as far as the vkm/mcmg confrontation that is exactly what i mean. impact had a short segment through which they wanted to set up a match between ten different tag teams. the segment was definitely too short, but i understand the reason the match was short was because they were making time for the big brawl between teams to get things going for the number one contendership ten team gauntlet. i am disappointed the mcmgs lost, however it wasn't as though it was set up to be a squash match burying the motor city. if you watch that match the mcmgs got in a huge majority of the offense really taking it to vkm. that, in my book, made it not a 90 second squash as many proclaim, but rather a short match where the heel team could win one match then brag about being the best to infuriate the other tag teams and set up the match. there is a difference between a 90 second match designed to make one team look incredible and a 90 second match that was just not given enough time.

the funny part is that in the actual number one contenders match that the 90 second match was to set up, had motor city getting revenge on vkm in the match that mattered. vkm beat mcmgs in a short match, mcmgs eliminated them from the tag gauntlet and went on to be one of the last two teams in the match. i find it funny that that part never gets talked about, and everyone is fixated on the initial loss. that is why i think it is silly to pretend motor city has no chance of beating team 3d cleanly because tna does plenty of good things. just because people don't like talking about the good things they do doesn't mean they don't do them.


personally if the vkm/mcmgs situation had been reversed and mcmgs got dominated for 80 seconds before hitting a finisher and winning an impact match, only to be eliminated by vkm in the number one contendership match i think motor city would look worse.

[hollywood]

poisonrana said:

well i don't personally read the wwe results so i wasn't aware they were just as bad. it amazes me how they can continue if they spew a general bias towards everyone. oh well chalk it up to bad journalism.

as far as the vkm/mcmg confrontation that is exactly what i mean. impact had a short segment through which they wanted to set up a match between ten different tag teams. the segment was definitely too short, but i understand the reason the match was short was because they were making time for the big brawl between teams to get things going for the number one contendership ten team gauntlet. i am disappointed the mcmgs lost, however it wasn't as though it was set up to be a squash match burying the motor city. if you watch that match the mcmgs got in a huge majority of the offense really taking it to vkm. that, in my book, made it not a 90 second squash as many proclaim, but rather a short match where the heel team could win one match then brag about being the best to infuriate the other tag teams and set up the match. there is a difference between a 90 second match designed to make one team look incredible and a 90 second match that was just not given enough time.

the funny part is that in the actual number one contenders match that the 90 second match was to set up, had motor city getting revenge on vkm in the match that mattered. vkm beat mcmgs in a short match, mcmgs eliminated them from the tag gauntlet and went on to be one of the last two teams in the match. i find it funny that that part never gets talked about, and everyone is fixated on the initial loss. that is why i think it is silly to pretend motor city has no chance of beating team 3d cleanly because tna does plenty of good things. just because people don't like talking about the good things they do doesn't mean they don't do them.


personally if the vkm/mcmgs situation had been reversed and mcmgs got dominated for 80 seconds before hitting a finisher and winning an impact match, only to be eliminated by vkm in the number one contendership match i think motor city would look worse.

I'm not pretending. I seriously don't think MCMG will beat Team 3-D clean. But I'll be happy to be wrong. Even happier if they actually let them have time to put on a good match.

[thestinger]

By the way, is anyone surprised to still be seeing Team 3D in TNA?

For months we were told 3D's contracts were expiring in September, and that there was a very good chance they wouldn't resign.

I guess that was just talk on the 'net (ie Bulls#*&).

Anyway, I have no idea if WWE is treated as harshly by net guys because I don't watch their show, or read about it.

I DO recall we had an eight page battle royale not long ago, because I guy named Bryan Alvarez wrote a column bashing a dumb plot point in TNA that was quickly dropped (Sting getting a court order barring Karen from ringside during his title shot). He got many major details wrong implying he hadn't watched many recent impacts.

He then defended a dumb plot in WWE in which Vince MacMahon was hit with a paternity suit, but the single mother and her child weren't identified in the supeona! Then it turned out the 'child' was actually an adult, which made suing for child support kind of silly.

He went on about how WWE's storyline that made no sense 'had to be that way' and that TNA's was inexcusible. That IS clear bias, but I have no idea if that's typical of internet 'reporting' nor do I really care.

Personally, I don't want TNA putting on storylines the quality of WWE's and I certainly won't defend them when they do. Sting getting a court order against a 103 lb woman because she slapped him after her husband chained him up is stupid. I won't defend that.

WWE marks shouldn't defend their wrestlecrap either.

[Kenny Brockelstein]

If only TNA wasn't on Saturday nights in the U.K. I would like to keep up with it, but I have to say- and call me crazy if you must- that drunken mayhem in random bars takes preference over sitting in front of the TV, scratching my head in bewilderment and wishing I could get a hold of whatever the TNA booking committee has been smoking for the last year and a half or so.

[Andrew is Good]

I feel that in the end, the Machine Guns will beat Team 3D. As much as people may not think it, but Team 3D have always been good for buisness. From watching their shoot, their not marks. They're willing to put guys over, it just has to be in the right situation.

Of course as heels, they're going to be mean and dominating at first. They are masters at playing bullies. I feel eventually, the Machine Guns are either going to face 3D and beat them, or 3D are going to beat them by cheating, and in the rematch, they will beat 3D. I have been loving their promos recently, and I think that they will be the team that puts the Machine Guns on the map.

Team 3D talked in their shoot that had it not been for the Eliminators in ECW, then they wouldn't be able to take the steps to be the team they are today. So I feel that Team 3D will be The MCMG's Eliminators.

[messiah]

andrewisgood said:

I feel that in the end, the Machine Guns will beat Team 3D. As much as people may not think it, but Team 3D have always been good for buisness. From watching their shoot, their not marks. They're willing to put guys over, it just has to be in the right situation.

Of course as heels, they're going to be mean and dominating at first. They are masters at playing bullies. I feel eventually, the Machine Guns are either going to face 3D and beat them, or 3D are going to beat them by cheating, and in the rematch, they will beat 3D. I have been loving their promos recently, and I think that they will be the team that puts the Machine Guns on the map.

Team 3D talked in their shoot that had it not been for the Eliminators in ECW, then they wouldn't be able to take the steps to be the team they are today. So I feel that Team 3D will be The MCMG's Eliminators.

I agree. TNA has done some retarded crap, but they more consistently put the right people over, I find.

[Ace Diamond]

messiah said:

andrewisgood said:

I feel that in the end, the Machine Guns will beat Team 3D. As much as people may not think it, but Team 3D have always been good for buisness. From watching their shoot, their not marks. They're willing to put guys over, it just has to be in the right situation.

Of course as heels, they're going to be mean and dominating at first. They are masters at playing bullies. I feel eventually, the Machine Guns are either going to face 3D and beat them, or 3D are going to beat them by cheating, and in the rematch, they will beat 3D. I have been loving their promos recently, and I think that they will be the team that puts the Machine Guns on the map.

Team 3D talked in their shoot that had it not been for the Eliminators in ECW, then they wouldn't be able to take the steps to be the team they are today. So I feel that Team 3D will be The MCMG's Eliminators.

I agree. TNA has done some retarded crap, but they more consistently put the right people over, I find.

Yeah like that time they put Christopher Daniels over Sting.

...oh wait.

[Kenny Brockelstein]

aodpilot said:

messiah said:

I agree. TNA has done some retarded crap, but they more consistently put the right people over, I find.

Yeah like that time they put Christopher Daniels over Sting.

...oh wait.

That I can understand actually. TNA came to the conclusion that, as fantastic as Daniels can be in the ring, he is not a main event-level guy. Which I don't think he is.

[hollywood]

buzzkill said:

aodpilot said:

Yeah like that time they put Christopher Daniels over Sting.

...oh wait.

That I can understand actually. TNA came to the conclusion that, as fantastic as Daniels can be in the ring, he is not a main event-level guy. Which I don't think he is.

But the man formerly known as Rikishi was?

[Ace Diamond]

buzzkill said:

aodpilot said:

Yeah like that time they put Christopher Daniels over Sting.

...oh wait.

That I can understand actually. TNA came to the conclusion that, as fantastic as Daniels can be in the ring, he is not a main event-level guy. Which I don't think he is.

Disagree, but that's my opinion. Still doesn't change the fact they gave him that push and then didn't follow through on it, so now he's treading water in the X-Division even though he cut that promo saying he didn't want to do that anymore.

[erisi236]

hollywood said:

buzzkill said:

That I can understand actually. TNA came to the conclusion that, as fantastic as Daniels can be in the ring, he is not a main event-level guy. Which I don't think he is.

But the man formerly known as Rikishi was?

Well, good enough to Main Event as the fat guy on a 3 man tag team with 2 other actual wrestlers doing all the work on his team. ;D