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Post by respectmeordye3 on Oct 28, 2007 12:45:30 GMT -5
Y'know I have always thought Ventura's look was rather cool and he was always a good villian---but I also gotta say that he sure is a hypocrite in his book where he blathers on and on about how Hulk Hogan is an evil backstabber who "Stole his all original look" with the sunglasses,headband, and feather boa and all that crap.
Right Jesse, you were the first guy in wrestling history to dress like that.
uh-huh.
People been pro wrestling since the 30's and 40's and NOT ONE PERSON dressed like that before you.
please.
Does anyone else buy that load?
Oh--BTW Jesse, your book is one of the most BORING EVER PUT OUT BY A WRESTLER!
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 28, 2007 12:56:20 GMT -5
He blatantly stole his look from Superstar Billy Graham.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Oct 28, 2007 13:55:15 GMT -5
The thing is, Hogan didn't take the feather boas til the his WCW days. I don't remember Hogan wearing sunglasses either.
And yeah, both were Superstar Billy Graham knockoffs though.
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Post by The OP on Oct 28, 2007 14:06:28 GMT -5
Ventura never denied being influenced by Superstar. They're good friends actually.
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Post by thesunbeast on Oct 28, 2007 14:06:29 GMT -5
Before this turns into hogan hate, I need to say that Hogan has rarely taken the liberty to openly blast someone, even when talking about guys he dosen't really like.
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Post by royboy8 on Oct 28, 2007 14:08:24 GMT -5
^ Yep, unlike most wrestlers(just looking for some attention)
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 28, 2007 14:09:29 GMT -5
Before this turns into hogan hate, I need to say that Hogan has rarely taken the liberty to openly blast someone, even when talking about guys he dosen't really like. I agree, but this is more mocking Jesse than him. To be fair, Jesse's book might of just been ghost written. |
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Post by lildude8218 on Oct 28, 2007 16:42:11 GMT -5
Jesse is still holding a grudge after walking out of the WWF back in 97 because of the Montreal Screwjob. He gave a lot to that company since his first match when he beat Goldberg, all the way up to that match when he was injured while wrestling one of Kanyon's 4 different characters. So it was pretty much a smack in the face.
What? That movie was completely wrong about 95% of what they said??? GET OUT OF TOWN!
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 28, 2007 16:47:25 GMT -5
Jesse is still holding a grudge after walking out of the WWF back in 97 because of the Montreal Screwjob. He gave a lot to that company since his first match when he beat Goldberg, all the way up to that match when he was injured while wrestling one of Kanyon's 4 different characters. So it was pretty much a smack in the face. What? That movie was completely wrong about 95% of what they said??? GET OUT OF TOWN! Oh, god, don't remind me.... |
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Post by maxx420 on Oct 28, 2007 16:48:41 GMT -5
Jesse is still holding a grudge after walking out of the WWF back in 97 because of the Montreal Screwjob. He gave a lot to that company since his first match when he beat Goldberg, all the way up to that match when he was injured while wrestling one of Kanyon's 4 different characters. So it was pretty much a smack in the face. What? That movie was completely wrong about 95% of what they said??? GET OUT OF TOWN! But in truth she was a Stunt Granny. Other than that... it's sketchy. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 28, 2007 16:54:09 GMT -5
Didn't Hogan prevent Ventura from starting a wrestlers' union in the 80's by ratting him out to Vince?
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 28, 2007 16:55:41 GMT -5
Didn't Hogan prevent Ventura from starting a wrestlers' union in the 80's by ratting him out to Vince? It's possible, I guess. Ventuara has been in favor of a union for a while. I think it'd fail. It's just way too easy to sign people who don't want to be in a union, or just import guys. |
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Post by maxx420 on Oct 28, 2007 16:57:59 GMT -5
Heck, Sergeant Slaughter was fired by the WWF for wanting to start a union in the '80s!
Reading transcripts of all the crap that John Cena parroted to Larry King about why there shouldn't be a union is sickening.
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Post by lildude8218 on Oct 28, 2007 17:00:05 GMT -5
Jesse is still holding a grudge after walking out of the WWF back in 97 because of the Montreal Screwjob. He gave a lot to that company since his first match when he beat Goldberg, all the way up to that match when he was injured while wrestling one of Kanyon's 4 different characters. So it was pretty much a smack in the face. What? That movie was completely wrong about 95% of what they said??? GET OUT OF TOWN! Oh, god, don't remind me.... The night that movie was on was the same night as Over The Edge 99. I got free PPV at the time so I watched the first hour and just left the tape on in my room then watched/taped the Ventura movie in the next room. I saw the whole incident with Owen but didn't know how severe it really was. Then the credits for the movie are rolling and the local news came up in the corner saying "Wrestler dies tonight at show" and I completely lost it. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 28, 2007 17:02:36 GMT -5
Heck, Sergeant Slaughter was fired by the WWF for wanting to start a union in the '80s! Reading transcripts of all the crap that John Cena parroted to Larry King about why there shouldn't be a union is sickening. What did he say? I think before we get too harsh on him, we do need the perspective that he's in the business, and has his opinions on it for a reason. |
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Post by maxx420 on Oct 28, 2007 17:11:43 GMT -5
Heck, Sergeant Slaughter was fired by the WWF for wanting to start a union in the '80s! Reading transcripts of all the crap that John Cena parroted to Larry King about why there shouldn't be a union is sickening. What did he say? I think before we get too harsh on him, we do need the perspective that he's in the business, and has his opinions on it for a reason. He just really outright dismissed the idea of a wrestler's union. "Guys getting into this business know what they're getting into". It's alright for a man who's been on top of WWE for nearly three years & has made money from a CD, a movie & royalty from all his merchandise on top of his seven figure wrestling salary, but what about the lower-tier guys on $100,00 a year? Don't they deserve the opportunity for some benefits? |
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 28, 2007 17:14:39 GMT -5
What did he say? I think before we get too harsh on him, we do need the perspective that he's in the business, and has his opinions on it for a reason. He just really outright dismissed the idea of a wrestler's union. "Guys getting into this business know what they're getting into". It's alright for a man who's been on top of WWE for nearly three years & has made money from a CD, a movie & royalty from all his merchandise on top of his seven figure wrestling salary, but what about the lower-tier guys on $100,00 a year? Don't they deserve the opportunity for some benefits? Well, I can understand his view and yours. My biggest reason for not liking the idea is because it's never hard to just replace union guys. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 28, 2007 20:26:39 GMT -5
He just really outright dismissed the idea of a wrestler's union. "Guys getting into this business know what they're getting into". It's alright for a man who's been on top of WWE for nearly three years & has made money from a CD, a movie & royalty from all his merchandise on top of his seven figure wrestling salary, but what about the lower-tier guys on $100,00 a year? Don't they deserve the opportunity for some benefits? Well, I can understand his view and yours. My biggest reason for not liking the idea is because it's never hard to just replace union guys. It certainly CAN be. "Scabs" aren't easy to come by in every sport/business/etc., at least not ones who can replace the level of job the union members do (I'm not just saying this because I'm a teacher's union member...I'm a brand new teacher, I don't exactly have big time loyalties yet). For example, when the NFL had a strike in the 80's, replacements were brought in...and nobody watched. Wrestling is obviously a bit different; whereas in most legit sports you've got the issue that anyone who's not in the big leagues is likely an inferior player, we know that's simply not the issue in wrestling, as evidenced by the number of highly skilled guys working around the indy circuit/Japan/etc. Still, though, if WWE had to lose a big portion of it's roster one week due to a labor dispute, it's not like they could just get right back on their feet. The union would have negotiating power, at least within something like a six month window, I'd have to believe. |
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Post by Red Impact on Oct 29, 2007 0:28:54 GMT -5
My biggest reason for not liking the idea is because it's never hard to just replace union guys. Is it really that hard to replace them now? I mean, really, from all my experiences with unions, it's actually much harder to replace them than non-union. I have a friend who's part of the aircraft worker's union. They're hard as hell to get rid of in his city. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 29, 2007 0:33:04 GMT -5
My biggest reason for not liking the idea is because it's never hard to just replace union guys. Is it really that hard to replace them now? I mean, really, from all my experiences with unions, it's actually much harder to replace them than non-union. I have a friend who's part of the aircraft worker's union. They're hard as hell to get rid of in his city. I meant wrestling wise. For a union to work, you'd have to get some REALLY big names. |
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