WWE Roundtable Discussion[Monday Night Wars]

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thebluedevil said:

kinda on topic, kinda off, but are there any roundtable disscussions about ECW?

And another question, what are some of the other roundtable discussions about?

I wish WWE would release some of their exclusive 24/7 stuff on DVD(like the monday night wars stuff and the ECW history)

That I know of they haven't done one completely devoted to ECW as of yet. I'll admit I haven't watched them all though, because I have only recently obtained the WWE 24/7 service.

I do know most of the first season was pretty much devoted to Hulk Hogan, 1980's wrestlers, territory days and etc.

Like yourself, I do at some point hope they do a ECW one, but I'd be very disappointed if Paul Heyman wasn't included on the panel and seeing as he's made his exit from the company that seems very unlikely.

[I Graduated Warrior University]

Holy crap! Michael Hayes looks like Jake Roberts with bleached hair these days!

[hobo]

Thanks for posting this, great stuff. I agree with everyone else and wished that Doc Hendrix (sorry, couldn't resist) would shut up and let Bischoff talk.

[Cyborg Franky]

I just begin watching it, I found this very intersing so far. Yeah I agree Hayes is kind of getting on my nerves.

[Mama Cornette]

Thanks for posting those links!

I saw this on WWE 24/7, and I thought the same thing as the other posters. Michael Hayes was acting like a complete jerk, while everyone else conducted themselves well. I had the feeling that either Hayes was trying to "put himself over" or he actually had a personal grudge against Bischoff.

The thing that got me in the discussion is Michael Hayes and Jim Ross admitted that WCW almost sent the E into bankruptcy, which was long rumored. It was kind of funny to hear that because the E did that to the other organizations in the early 80s.

I have a lot of respect for Eric Bischoff, and I think very highly of his overall business skills, even though he did make some mistakes with WCW.

[Mozenrath]

jennlewis said:

Thanks for posting those links!

I saw this on WWE 24/7, and I thought the same thing as the other posters. Michael Hayes was acting like a complete jerk, while everyone else conducted themselves well. I had the feeling that either Hayes was trying to "put himself over" or he actually had a personal grudge against Bischoff.

The thing that got me in the discussion is Michael Hayes and Jim Ross admitted that WCW almost sent the E into bankruptcy, which was long rumored. It was kind of funny to hear that because the E did that to the other organizations in the early 80s.

I have a lot of respect for Eric Bischoff, and I think very highly of his overall business skills, even though he did make some mistakes with WCW.

I think people will often point out WWE playing hardball, which they did, while overlooking that the NWA as a whole was doing a really bad job of staying in business. AWA, also, for example, hung around for a while, but refused to evolve.

[Cyborg Franky]

Just finish watching the entire show, I can say it was very well done, and intersing to see how stuff in the Monday Night War went. One thing I did agree with them all that was the golden age for us fans.

[HMARK Center]

zedd said:

Just finish watching the entire show, I can say it was very well done, and intersing to see how stuff in the Monday Night War went. One thing I did agree with them all that was the golden age for us fans.

Eh, again, the more I look back, the more is seems so much more glorified than reality.

Then again, I got back on the train late. I stopped watching wrestling in 1994, when I was about 9, and only got back on full-time in early 1998, after the main run of the nWo, after the Bret/Austin storyline, etc. I probably missed out on some of the really great stuff in 1997.

But by 1999, I was already bored again. WCW stagnated and refused to push the exciting guys they had cluttered up in the lower card, and WWF got stale (for my tastes).

The big thing about that era was that it was the first MAJOR change in wrestling culture since the mid 80's. It made everything, even the dumbest storylines (i.e. Val Venis vs. Kaientai) seem interesting for awhile.

[wwerules60]

We will never get another moment like that Foley title win. I marked out just watching it now. That seemed so damn important at the time. It's a shame they can't build up a title win like that anymore.

[Hiroshi Hase]

hitmanmark said:

zedd said:

Just finish watching the entire show, I can say it was very well done, and intersing to see how stuff in the Monday Night War went. One thing I did agree with them all that was the golden age for us fans.

Eh, again, the more I look back, the more is seems so much more glorified than reality.

Then again, I got back on the train late. I stopped watching wrestling in 1994, when I was about 9, and only got back on full-time in early 1998, after the main run of the nWo, after the Bret/Austin storyline, etc. I probably missed out on some of the really great stuff in 1997.

But by 1999, I was already bored again. WCW stagnated and refused to push the exciting guys they had cluttered up in the lower card, and WWF got stale (for my tastes).

The big thing about that era was that it was the first MAJOR change in wrestling culture since the mid 80's. It made everything, even the dumbest storylines (i.e. Val Venis vs. Kaientai) seem interesting for awhile.

I'd say you did miss quite a lot, especially in 96-97. It was a really great time to be a wrestling fan and as they mentioned in the discussion, I don't think there will ever be a time like that again,IMO.

[JMA]

Although Bischoff is right here, he only tells the truth when it's in his own interest. He's bent and even broken the truth on numerous occasions, mostly when he had power.

[Cyborg Franky]

The funny thing I been following wrestling since 1989, when I was only like 3 years old. So yeah I remember a lot of these events as they happend. I did get a great laugh during the program when they the classic DX invading WCW skit. I remember that skit like Oh Crap they are acturally going to invade Nitro. Since during that time I watch WWF/WWE when its on and I recored Nitro and watch it before I go to school.

Its kind of sad that the people who just became fans in the last 3- 4 years probley won't understand a lot of these stuff, we saw when we were kids.

[HMARK Center]

yjc1019 said:

hitmanmark said:

Eh, again, the more I look back, the more is seems so much more glorified than reality.

Then again, I got back on the train late. I stopped watching wrestling in 1994, when I was about 9, and only got back on full-time in early 1998, after the main run of the nWo, after the Bret/Austin storyline, etc. I probably missed out on some of the really great stuff in 1997.

But by 1999, I was already bored again. WCW stagnated and refused to push the exciting guys they had cluttered up in the lower card, and WWF got stale (for my tastes).

The big thing about that era was that it was the first MAJOR change in wrestling culture since the mid 80's. It made everything, even the dumbest storylines (i.e. Val Venis vs. Kaientai) seem interesting for awhile.

I'd say you did miss quite a lot, especially in 96-97. It was a really great time to be a wrestling fan and as they mentioned in the discussion, I don't think there will ever be a time like that again,IMO.

I believe it. Had I been watching then, I bet I would've marked big time for the reformed Hart Foundation, and for the Sting vs. Hogan buildup.

But 98-99 just never seems as good as I want to remember it sometimes, outside of some cool WCW Cruiserweight matches and a couple WWF storylines here and there.

[lildude8218]

I forgot how big the pop was when Foley won the title. Ironically, I think I didn't bother watching Raw that night because I knew what was going to happen. Not that I wasn't a fan of the title change, just that Nitro was live and I had no idea what would be happening on that show. I may have switched over to see the end of the match but I can't really remember.

[Mozenrath]

lildude8218 said:

I forgot how big the pop was when Foley won the title. Ironically, I think I didn't bother watching Raw that night because I knew what was going to happen. Not that I wasn't a fan of the title change, just that Nitro was live and I had no idea what would be happening on that show. I may have switched over to see the end of the match but I can't really remember.

I saw that Nitro, too. MAN, did we miss out.... And for what? A fingerpoke and "Stalker Goldberg" segments.

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zedd said:

The funny thing I been following wrestling since 1989, when I was only like 3 years old. So yeah I remember a lot of these events as they happend. I did get a great laugh during the program when they the classic DX invading WCW skit. I remember that skit like Oh Crap they are acturally going to invade Nitro. Since during that time I watch WWF/WWE when its on and I recored Nitro and watch it before I go to school.

Its kind of sad that the people who just became fans in the last 3- 4 years probley won't understand a lot of these stuff, we saw when we were kids.

Yeah I know what you mean. I was just entering my teens when the Attitude era kicked off and I can remember all those great moments. It's funny now, because my brother is a huge wrestling fan, but there is ten years in between us, so he goes nuts for all the stuff they do now, which is in all due respect nothing compared to the Monday Night Wars era and it's hard to explain to him how great a time that was to be a wrestling fan.

I still have boxes of VHS tapes from when I recorded wrestling events in the mid-late 90's, it's also kinda funny in the sense I can tell how times have changed and how I'm slowly becoming a old person, even at the age of twenty-two, because I know several people that record DVD versions of wrestling events now, haha.

[HMARK Center]

kiddobradley said:

lildude8218 said:

I forgot how big the pop was when Foley won the title. Ironically, I think I didn't bother watching Raw that night because I knew what was going to happen. Not that I wasn't a fan of the title change, just that Nitro was live and I had no idea what would be happening on that show. I may have switched over to see the end of the match but I can't really remember.

I saw that Nitro, too. MAN, did we miss out.... And for what? A fingerpoke and "Stalker Goldberg" segments.

To be fair, I marked like hell when the nWo got back together, if only because I HATED the Wolfpac, and was glad to see the "happy babyface" Wolfpac gone.

[skillz]

I never liked Foley and didn't care for his win (I read the spoilers), so I was watching Nitro as well. I don't regret it. Looking back on that clip, Cole's reaction after the title win was so forced and choreographed that it sounded like a bad high school play. I'm sure JR was on Cole's ear the whole time.

If you missed WCW from 1996 (nWo birth) to 1998, then you missed the best years of the company, IMO. I thought 1997 was the WWF's best year in the late-90's, and it all went crashing down after that.

[Hiroshi Hase]

kiddobradley said:

lildude8218 said:

I forgot how big the pop was when Foley won the title. Ironically, I think I didn't bother watching Raw that night because I knew what was going to happen. Not that I wasn't a fan of the title change, just that Nitro was live and I had no idea what would be happening on that show. I may have switched over to see the end of the match but I can't really remember.

I saw that Nitro, too. MAN, did we miss out.... And for what? A fingerpoke and "Stalker Goldberg" segments.

Nash talks about this in his recent shoot interview he did and how a general misconception was that he booked himself to win the title from Goldberg, but it wasn't true according to him. He took on booking duties in WCW around the 3rd week of February 99 after the Fingerpoke of Doom.

And how he says if anything he should be more upset about it than Goldberg (but he's not) as he ended the streak and only had the belt for about a week or so. But he says it got the intended reaction which was people being pissed off about it. And that the original plan was for Goldberg to go through the nWo guys till he got to Hogan and won the belt back.

Myself, I didn't really like it as they were regressing back to 96 with them winning all the time and stuff. But as it was wrestling and I was a WCW mark, I was still loyal to it.

But man wrestling was hot 96-00 whether it was WCW or WWE. I know wrestling won't go out of business anytime soon, but the real glory days,IMO have long passed and I don't think it'll ever truly pick up again.

[Libertine]

Five minutes into part one and I already want to slap Hayes.