TNA is better then WWE

[Michael Coello]

metylerca said:

theslickness said:

Except for the part where brining in all the big names has done almost nothing for the ratings

I don't know how much truth there is to this, but more internet wrestling fans watch TNA... I forget where I saw that somewhere, but if it's true, then they're dumb for trying to cater to casual fans; they need a bigger fanbase before reaching out. WWE brought in K-Fed for a cup of coffee as well as Jackass for a night, but this was to garner mainstream attention. TNA doesn't even have the casual attention, especially when they're constantly pulling 1.0 and 1.1's. They need to focus on being different than WWE, not taking what WWE doesn't want. This isn't 1995, wrestling's changed, and no amount of Booker-T's and Scott Hall's are going to get TNA to the point where they're even competing with ECW, let alone Raw and Smackdown.

But, wouldn't it make sense to bring in these guys? You said yourself that WWE has the big fanbase, and the general idea is, bring in someone who has a following, like a Booker T or Scott Hall, and get some of the people to stick around. That's what they're trying to do.

Plus, you can't really call a like Booker T or RVD or a few others "people WWE didn't want", cause they left voluntarily.

[metylerca]

sinister1 said:

metylerca said:

I don't know how much truth there is to this, but more internet wrestling fans watch TNA... I forget where I saw that somewhere, but if it's true, then they're dumb for trying to cater to casual fans; they need a bigger fanbase before reaching out. WWE brought in K-Fed for a cup of coffee as well as Jackass for a night, but this was to garner mainstream attention. TNA doesn't even have the casual attention, especially when they're constantly pulling 1.0 and 1.1's. They need to focus on being different than WWE, not taking what WWE doesn't want. This isn't 1995, wrestling's changed, and no amount of Booker-T's and Scott Hall's are going to get TNA to the point where they're even competing with ECW, let alone Raw and Smackdown.

But, wouldn't it make sense to bring in these guys? You said yourself that WWE has the big fanbase, and the general idea is, bring in someone who has a following, like a Booker T or Scott Hall, and get some of the people to stick around. That's what they're trying to do.

Plus, you can't really call a like Booker T or RVD or a few others "people WWE didn't want", cause they left voluntarily.

If bringing in Kurt Angle, Sting, Christian, the VKM, Dudleyz, Dustin Runnels and a few others hasn't affected the ratings for them, what good would more WWE-castoffs do? If they did more with what they have, instead of just bringing in more, they can achieve wonders. I want TNA to succeed, so my opinion is only used to state what I think would help. If they got 1.0's before Christian even came in and Jarrett was champ, and they still get it with countless others coming into the company, then its safe to say what they're doing is wrong.

[krazysane]

gitcommand said:

But WWE still owns in the ratingz

Ballin!!!!!!

[Michael Coello]

metylerca said:

sinister1 said:

But, wouldn't it make sense to bring in these guys? You said yourself that WWE has the big fanbase, and the general idea is, bring in someone who has a following, like a Booker T or Scott Hall, and get some of the people to stick around. That's what they're trying to do.

Plus, you can't really call a like Booker T or RVD or a few others "people WWE didn't want", cause they left voluntarily.

If bringing in Kurt Angle, Sting, Christian, the VKM, Dudleyz, Dustin Runnels and a few others hasn't affected the ratings for them, what good would more WWE-castoffs do? If they did more with what they have, instead of just bringing in more, they can achieve wonders. I want TNA to succeed, so my opinion is only used to state what I think would help. If they got 1.0's before Christian even came in and Jarrett was champ, and they still get it with countless others coming into the company, then its safe to say what they're doing is wrong.

Not every signing has to affect the ratings, so I don't see how it's VKM's responsibility to do that, or Team 3D or Dustin Rhodes. They weren't pushed as main event stars and are mostly handing in the midcard to add to it. While Kurt Angle hasn't had a big impact on the show and people expect/want, Sting did cause a big rating when he showed up after Final Resolution and got a 1.1 rating the the Saturday, a timeslot that usually got an 0.8 rating on average.

Plus, Cage wasn't getting TNA 1.0 ratings. the steady 1.0 ratings happened when they went to Primetime, about a year or so after Cage was in the company.

The reason I think TNA isn't getting the ratings people want, other than too high expectations from people, is the fact that TNA seems to rely too much on the fans to do it instead of their own. They have the fans, either via mailings or street team try to do it, instead of going to the network, and paying for some commercial time to shill the show, and go out and get some more interview time, and basically tell people they're there.

[HMARK Center]

Yeah, a LOT of people, wrestling fans included, have no idea what TNA is, and some of the blame for that has to go with the company itself.

Given that over a million people a week watch it, you'd think it'd be easier to spread the word around, but, again, that's on them, unless something in their Spike deal prevents them from doing a lot of advertising.

[metylerca]

if advertising is what's keeping them from success; one would have to think that Spike plays a part in TNA not being a player now or in the near future then.

[thestinger]

metylerca said:

If bringing in Kurt Angle, Sting, Christian, the VKM, Dudleyz, Dustin Runnels and a few others hasn't affected the ratings for them, what good would more WWE-castoffs do?

Kurt Angle, Sting and Christian belong in a catagory with Booker and RVD -- they aren't in WWE by choice.

And I'm sure VKM, the Dudleyz and Dustin Runnels have affected the ratings. They've probably kept them from rising.

[Dolph Zalgo]

I would like to comment in this thread again (?).

With the second hour of Impact TNA really won me back as it if finally going somewhere. The whole product was growing really stale, but now it seem rivitalized.

As many critics say. TNA has a strong WCW-Nitro-esque feel to it.
BUT, this is actually a good thing as it reminds me of the good old Nitros that finally made WCW better than WWF.

After all the swerves and turns TNA finally seems to have stabilized.
I care a lot more about TNA than I care about WWE. At the moment I only WATCH TNA events while I read spoilers and results of WWE events.

This indeed has a strong feel of good old WCW and I hope that TNA will not screw that up by repeating WCW's mistakes. Pacman Jones was ONE thing that really gave me a bad feeling about the company's future and I'm glad that this tool is gone. The only way Pacman Jones WOULD be acceptable would be if he got paid less than main eventers like Angle, Sting or Christian AND he would actually wrestle (get his ass kicked most of the time, then perhaps cheat to win). But as long as he still works for NFL that won't happen, so just NEVER DO THAT SHIT AGAIN... NEVER MAKE YOUR WRESTLERS LOOK BAD AGAIN BY BRINGING IN SOME LAME ASS GUY FROM OTHER SPORTS!!!

I like how Jarrett seems to rather stay behind the scenes. Maybe the tragic events in his family have brought him down to earth, maybe he realized that the meaning of life is not to put yourself in the spotlight and make yourself champ because you can. HHHundreds of world titles mean nothing, if you just abuse your power to get your own ass on top of some statistic that in the end means SHIT. (or should I say sHHHit?)

Yes, if should stick to watching wrestling TNA will probably be my sanctuary from all that incestuous WWE crap. And I'm glad that I can say now that the reason I prefer TNA to WWE is not only because there are no McMahons around, but also the product is better.

And I seriously hope that TNA will keep up the good work, but not grow megalomaniac like WCW did.

TNA is better than WWE.
On one hand that is really no big thing in 2007.
On the other it's nice to see that they indeed ARE good and entertaining now.

[hollywood]

WWE had the good taste to not re-hire Vince Russo. Ergo, they're much better than TNA, no matter how badly they'll ever suck (which seems to be a lot right now).

[Ace Diamond]

hollywood said:

WWE had the good taste to not re-hire Vince Russo. Ergo, they're much better than TNA, no matter how badly they'll ever suck (which seems to be a lot right now).

the WWE also has the good taste not to run down TNA on television, granted TNA hasn't done that in a while, but as long as BG and Kip are still on the roster, it's only a matter of time before they cut another bitchy promo against the WWE or the Internet

[The OP]

hitmanmark said:

Yeah, a LOT of people, wrestling fans included, have no idea what TNA is, and some of the blame for that has to go with the company itself.

Given that over a million people a week watch it, you'd think it'd be easier to spread the word around, but, again, that's on them, unless something in their Spike deal prevents them from doing a lot of advertising.

I think the reason the ratings stay consistent is because TNA has about a million diehard fans, which is a lot, but is not near the amount WWE has.

A lot of people in this thread keep insisting things like "well TNA is obviously better than WWE" but why? If people like TNA better than WWE, that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. However, all I ever seem to hear are vague things like "WWE is boring, stale, etc." which could be a valid opinion but there's usually no substantial element to the statement. It's either that or "WWE has too many storylines and not enough wrestling" but I fail to see how TNA offers an alternative to that.

My main point I'm trying to make here is, you can agree or disagree with me, but I have expressed very clear concrete reasons why I think WWE puts on a better TV show than TNA. Bryan Alvarez articulates a lot of the same reasons in his rant about TNA that's been going around, and I feel like when people criticize WWE I never hear the same level of substantial reasonings. It's always "WWE sucks, John Cena sucks, etc".

[Mozenrath]

I think TNA's diehard fans hurt the promotion in that they scare off people who want to enjoy a show, and are put off by TNA fans whining about WWE. Mudslinging will only help you to an extent.

[The OP]

I'm a little pumped up after having just listened to Alvarez, so I'm gonna rant a little bit further. People cite things like the Hornswoggle as McMahon's son storyline as a reason why WWE sucks. This is a comedy subplot that takes up maybe five minutes of a two hour RAW.

Their main event program involves Shawn Michaels and Randy Orton. Orton took Shawn out with a sneak attack and then kicked him in the head after their match causing a concussion. This put Shawn out of action and now he's back with a vengeance. He not only wants the WWE championship, but he wants Orton's blood. Again, it's a matter of opinion, but I consider this to be good sensible booking.

In TNA we have a tag team match for the TNA title featuring Sting and a mystery partner. I understand that there's a storyline going on between Sting and Angle, and it's actually not a bad one IMO. Who the hell thought it was a good idea for them to settle their dispute over the championship in a tag team match? Since it's been an issue of interference, a steel cage might've made sense. A two out of three falls might've been epic. But no, it's gonna be a tag team match. The booking is just asinine.

[comahan]

I stopped listening to Alvarez's rants on TNA when one he put out was 90% inaccurate. Its like he hadn't watched at all. He could be completely right on this, but I dont care.

[poi zen rana]

taxcollector said:

I'm a little pumped up after having just listened to Alvarez, so I'm gonna rant a little bit further. People cite things like the Hornswoggle as McMahon's son storyline as a reason why WWE sucks. This is a comedy subplot that takes up maybe five minutes of a two hour RAW.

Their main event program involves Shawn Michaels and Randy Orton. Orton took Shawn out with a sneak attack and then kicked him in the head after their match causing a concussion. This put Shawn out of action and now he's back with a vengeance. He not only wants the WWE championship, but he wants Orton's blood. Again, it's a matter of opinion, but I consider this to be good sensible booking.

In TNA we have a tag team match for the TNA title featuring Sting and a mystery partner. I understand that there's a storyline going on between Sting and Angle, and it's actually not a bad one IMO. Who the hell thought it was a good idea for them to settle their dispute over the championship in a tag team match? Since it's been an issue of interference, a steel cage might've made sense. A two out of three falls might've been epic. But no, it's gonna be a tag team match. The booking is just asinine.

to clear things up a bit, i believe you are looking at the main event situation in tna incorrectly. i do not believe the reason the genesis main event was booked in that manner was to serve as a deterrent to interference. of course they haven't explicitly explained every detail the situation, the way i saw it the reason the match is being booked this way was to punish kurt angle. i am not a big fan of the singles title defense in a tag match but i believe this actually has adequate build up that makes sense, which i don't see many people point out. let's take a refresher on the storyline so far.

kurt angle begins trying to get inside the head of sting even though his friend nash is warning him against it.

kurt and nash have more arguments.

sting beats kurt for the belt even though nash tried to interfere.

this leads to a total falling out between nash and kurt.

kurt and sting have a rematch and nash is at ringside. sting falls on nash and then hits him, because sting does not trust nash and thinks the split between nash and kurt was fake. sting has kurt in the scorpion deathlock and then points at nash, who gets angry and tries to enter the ring. sting drops the hold walks over attacks nash before he can get in the ring and then kurt attacks him from behind and wins the match.

cornette has to decide whether kurt won, or sting won by dq. nash never attacked sting and sting even provoked nash into getting in the ring. cornette is playing the fair authority figure so he wants to give the belt to the face but the heel is actually in the right in this instance so he awards him the belt.

he doesn't enjoy awarding the title to kurt, a guy who constantly cheats, so he decides to make him defend it in a match where the odds are stacked against him. we don't know who sting's partner would have been, so hypothetically i am going to use samoa joe as sting's partner in this example. cornette decides to make kurt team with nash (who he supposedly isn't getting along with) in a tag match against sting and joe. the idea is kurt would be defending his belt in a tag match with a partner who hated him. just in case he and nash are on the same page secretly he adds the belt awarded to person who makes the pinfall. that way if they are cooperating their is incentive for nash to break the plans. now kurt has to fight in a tag match where he should be scared to tag in his partner, must be fighting two guys tagging in and out and must watch his back.

the build up makes sense to me.

well i was going to touch on some of your other points but i didn't expect the above explanation to take that long.

[big nasty]

poisonrana said:

taxcollector said:

I'm a little pumped up after having just listened to Alvarez, so I'm gonna rant a little bit further. People cite things like the Hornswoggle as McMahon's son storyline as a reason why WWE sucks. This is a comedy subplot that takes up maybe five minutes of a two hour RAW.

Their main event program involves Shawn Michaels and Randy Orton. Orton took Shawn out with a sneak attack and then kicked him in the head after their match causing a concussion. This put Shawn out of action and now he's back with a vengeance. He not only wants the WWE championship, but he wants Orton's blood. Again, it's a matter of opinion, but I consider this to be good sensible booking.

In TNA we have a tag team match for the TNA title featuring Sting and a mystery partner. I understand that there's a storyline going on between Sting and Angle, and it's actually not a bad one IMO. Who the hell thought it was a good idea for them to settle their dispute over the championship in a tag team match? Since it's been an issue of interference, a steel cage might've made sense. A two out of three falls might've been epic. But no, it's gonna be a tag team match. The booking is just asinine.

to clear things up a bit, i believe you are looking at the main event situation in tna incorrectly. i do not believe the reason the genesis main event was booked in that manner was to serve as a deterrent to interference. of course they haven't explicitly explained every detail the situation, the way i saw it the reason the match is being booked this way was to punish kurt angle. i am not a big fan of the singles title defense in a tag match but i believe this actually has adequate build up that makes sense, which i don't see many people point out. let's take a refresher on the storyline so far.

kurt angle begins trying to get inside the head of sting even though his friend nash is warning him against it.

kurt and nash have more arguments.

sting beats kurt for the belt even though nash tried to interfere.

this leads to a total falling out between nash and kurt.

kurt and sting have a rematch and nash is at ringside. sting falls on nash and then hits him, because sting does not trust nash and thinks the split between nash and kurt was fake. sting has kurt in the scorpion deathlock and then points at nash, who gets angry and tries to enter the ring. sting drops the hold walks over attacks nash before he can get in the ring and then kurt attacks him from behind and wins the match.

cornette has to decide whether kurt won, or sting won by dq. nash never attacked sting and sting even provoked nash into getting in the ring. cornette is playing the fair authority figure so he wants to give the belt to the face but the heel is actually in the right in this instance so he awards him the belt.

he doesn't enjoy awarding the title to kurt, a guy who constantly cheats, so he decides to make him defend it in a match where the odds are stacked against him. we don't know who sting's partner would have been, so hypothetically i am going to use samoa joe as sting's partner in this example. cornette decides to make kurt team with nash (who he supposedly isn't getting along with) in a tag match against sting and joe. the idea is kurt would be defending his belt in a tag match with a partner who hated him. just in case he and nash are on the same page secretly he adds the belt awarded to person who makes the pinfall. that way if they are cooperating their is incentive for nash to break the plans. now kurt has to fight in a tag match where he should be scared to tag in his partner, must be fighting two guys tagging in and out and must watch his back.

the build up makes sense to me.

well i was going to touch on some of your other points but i didn't expect the above explanation to take that long.

angle tags in nash.
nash and sting face down.
finger poke of doom v2.

[poi zen rana]

popogijo said:

poisonrana said:

to clear things up a bit, i believe you are looking at the main event situation in tna incorrectly. i do not believe the reason the genesis main event was booked in that manner was to serve as a deterrent to interference. of course they haven't explicitly explained every detail the situation, the way i saw it the reason the match is being booked this way was to punish kurt angle. i am not a big fan of the singles title defense in a tag match but i believe this actually has adequate build up that makes sense, which i don't see many people point out. let's take a refresher on the storyline so far.

kurt angle begins trying to get inside the head of sting even though his friend nash is warning him against it.

kurt and nash have more arguments.

sting beats kurt for the belt even though nash tried to interfere.

this leads to a total falling out between nash and kurt.

kurt and sting have a rematch and nash is at ringside. sting falls on nash and then hits him, because sting does not trust nash and thinks the split between nash and kurt was fake. sting has kurt in the scorpion deathlock and then points at nash, who gets angry and tries to enter the ring. sting drops the hold walks over attacks nash before he can get in the ring and then kurt attacks him from behind and wins the match.

cornette has to decide whether kurt won, or sting won by dq. nash never attacked sting and sting even provoked nash into getting in the ring. cornette is playing the fair authority figure so he wants to give the belt to the face but the heel is actually in the right in this instance so he awards him the belt.

he doesn't enjoy awarding the title to kurt, a guy who constantly cheats, so he decides to make him defend it in a match where the odds are stacked against him. we don't know who sting's partner would have been, so hypothetically i am going to use samoa joe as sting's partner in this example. cornette decides to make kurt team with nash (who he supposedly isn't getting along with) in a tag match against sting and joe. the idea is kurt would be defending his belt in a tag match with a partner who hated him. just in case he and nash are on the same page secretly he adds the belt awarded to person who makes the pinfall. that way if they are cooperating their is incentive for nash to break the plans. now kurt has to fight in a tag match where he should be scared to tag in his partner, must be fighting two guys tagging in and out and must watch his back.

the build up makes sense to me.

well i was going to touch on some of your other points but i didn't expect the above explanation to take that long.

angle tags in nash.
nash and sting face down.
finger poke of doom v2.

i doubt that but nice opinion.