Is Bret Hart's book worth buying?

[plushtar]

With the 10th anniversary approaching and the IWC referencing it more, I have a feeling that the WWE will wheel this out one more time for our entertainment.

[wwerules60]

plushtar said:

With the 10th anniversary approaching and the IWC referencing it more, I have a feeling that the WWE will wheel this out one more time for our entertainment.

Well that is pretty much a given, especially with Michaels in the WWE title match.

[doctorhillbilly]

Has there ever been an incident that's been milked by more people?

["Handsome" Whitey Fats]

wwerules60 said:

whiteyfats said:

And two wrongs make a right how exactly?

Bret Hart was not wrong in the situation, he had creative control for the last 30 days and chose to exercise that.

He said he would put over anyone the week before except Shawn Michaels, seeing as Michaels told him to his face he wouldn't do the job back for him.

Not wrong?! He was leaving the company and wanted to give up the title! When you leave, you lose. That has happened in every company, but his huge ego once again prevented him from doing what was right and laying down to the much superior wrestler

[wwerules60]

whiteyfats said:

wwerules60 said:

Bret Hart was not wrong in the situation, he had creative control for the last 30 days and chose to exercise that.

He said he would put over anyone the week before except Shawn Michaels, seeing as Michaels told him to his face he wouldn't do the job back for him.

Not wrong?! He was leaving the company and wanted to give up the title! When you leave, you lose. That has happened in every company, but his huge ego once again prevented him from doing what was right and laying down to the much superior wrestler

He would have layed down for anyone else.

And how is it right for Michaels to refuse the job so many times especially to guys it would help get over. He also told Bret he wouldn't return the favour if Bret lost to him.

[doctorhillbilly]

Wonder what would have happened if Shawn had been the guy out instead of Bret? I think Austin would have still had his run but would there have ever been a Mr Mac character? I always loved to watch Bret but the whole screw job was the best thing that could have happened to the WWF at the time. Just can't imagine Austin being so over without evil Vinnie Mac.

[Garee]

I haven't read it and I say yes

[eDemento2099]

whiteyfats said:

evildead2099 said:

Just thought of something: Maybe I should go to the book signing wearing a Shawn Michaels-type outfit circa 1995 - You know, just to see what kind of a reaction I'd get from all of The Hitman's loyal fans.

(I side with Bret when it comes to the Montreal Screwjob, by the way)

Side with Bret? Why? He refused to lose in a fake match. I'm glad it happened. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy

Don't be a twit. The Montreal Screwjob has been discussed to death at this forum and abroad, so unless you are new to it, realize that you have an opinion, and that opinion concerns one of the most polarizing mishaps in the history of wrestling (What else even compares? How New Jack dealt with Mass Transit? Vince Russo shooting on Hulk Hogan for refusing to job to Jeff Jarrett?),

You'll either get killed by Bret fans or in some kind of gay bashing.

That's quite likely (which is why I posed the question, in a joking kind of way) but consider the Best case scenario: Tammy Sytch comes rolling by, sees me, and gives me romance!

[uncleslam]

whiteyfats said:

uncleslam said:

Let's say you and me are both wrestlers.

Then lets say you're the champ.

Then let's say the boss says you're going to lose to me at the next PPV. And you do.

Then lets fast forward a year. Lets say you've got the belt back, and the boss says you're going to lose it to me again.

Let's say I tell you "Even though you're going to drop it to me AGAIN, I wouldn't do the same for you" and then I storm out of the room like an asshole.

Would you job the belt to me with a smile on your face?

And two wrongs make a right how exactly?

And how does taking bullshit and taking bullshit and taking bullshit make you a man with a spine?

[uncleslam]

whiteyfats said:

wwerules60 said:

Bret Hart was not wrong in the situation, he had creative control for the last 30 days and chose to exercise that.

He said he would put over anyone the week before except Shawn Michaels, seeing as Michaels told him to his face he wouldn't do the job back for him.

Not wrong?! He was leaving the company and wanted to give up the title! When you leave, you lose. That has happened in every company, but his huge ego once again prevented him from doing what was right and laying down to the much superior wrestler

This statement looks to me like it's fueled by a lack of knowledge of history. Bret Hart did more than his fare share of jobs on his way up the ranks in the WWF. He jobbed left, right and centre to everyone. At one point, only Curt Hennig had mercy on him and demanded to go to a draw with him instead of going over clean (this is when Mr. Perfect first came to the WWF). It's sad when a guy does 10,000 jobs and never says a word about it, but the one time he doesn't want to job to a guy who won't job back to him, and is the same guy who made insensitve comments about his elderly mother and father that affected them in a very bad way (read the book to really get a good idea of what Stu and Helen went through) and who also disrespected the entire country of Canada by picking his nose with the flag...that one time he won't job, those 10,000 willing jobs are forgotten and that one refusal to job is magnified.

Well, to that I say

NOBODY'S SURFING PERFECT!

So please, give me a break. Bret needed to refuse to do the job. A man can only be pushed so far. He chose to be a man about it and I applaud him for it. He did what he did for honor and respect and to protect his "stock" so that he could provide for his 4 young children, as well as his elderly parents. If I was him, I wouldn't give a crap what a bunch of short-sighted uninformed internet smarks thought either.

Blame Vince for giving him creative control in his last 30 days if you want to blame anyone. He shouldn't have offered it if he wasn't going to keep his promise of letting Bret have it.

[eDemento2099]

uncleslam said:

whiteyfats said:

Not wrong?! He was leaving the company and wanted to give up the title! When you leave, you lose. That has happened in every company, but his huge ego once again prevented him from doing what was right and laying down to the much superior wrestler

This statement looks to me like it's fueled by a lack of knowledge of history. Bret Hart did more than his fare share of jobs on his way up the ranks in the WWF. He jobbed left, right and centre to everyone. At one point, only Curt Hennig had mercy on him and demanded to go to a draw with him instead of going over clean (this is when Mr. Perfect first came to the WWF). It's sad when a guy does 10,000 jobs and never says a word about it, but the one time he doesn't want to job to a guy who won't job back to him, and is the same guy who made insensitve comments about his elderly mother and father that affected them in a very bad way (read the book to really get a good idea of what Stu and Helen went through) and who also disrespected the entire country of Canada by picking his nose with the flag...that one time he won't job, those 10,000 willing jobs are forgotten and that one refusal to job is magnified.

Well, to that I say

NOBODY'S SURFING PERFECT!

So please, give me a break. Bret needed to refuse to do the job. A man can only be pushed so far. He chose to be a man about it and I applaud him for it. He did what he did for honor and respect and to protect his "stock" so that he could provide for his 4 young children, as well as his elderly parents. If I was him, I wouldn't give a crap what a bunch of short-sighted uninformed internet smarks thought either.

Blame Vince for giving him creative control in his last 30 days if you want to blame anyone. He shouldn't have offered it if he wasn't going to keep his promise of letting Bret have it.

Well put. Something tells me we're dealing with someone who's already made up his mind, though. In any case, if someone reveals that they've already asked the Hitman the question that I intend to ask him, I might just print off a copy of your statement and give it to Bret to give him assurance that not everyone believes the version of the Montreal Screwjob story that WWE continues to spin to this day.

[BxB]

uncleslam said:

whiteyfats said:

Not wrong?! He was leaving the company and wanted to give up the title! When you leave, you lose. That has happened in every company, but his huge ego once again prevented him from doing what was right and laying down to the much superior wrestler

This statement looks to me like it's fueled by a lack of knowledge of history. Bret Hart did more than his fare share of jobs on his way up the ranks in the WWF. He jobbed left, right and centre to everyone. At one point, only Curt Hennig had mercy on him and demanded to go to a draw with him instead of going over clean (this is when Mr. Perfect first came to the WWF). It's sad when a guy does 10,000 jobs and never says a word about it, but the one time he doesn't want to job to a guy who won't job back to him, and is the same guy who made insensitve comments about his elderly mother and father that affected them in a very bad way (read the book to really get a good idea of what Stu and Helen went through) and who also disrespected the entire country of Canada by picking his nose with the flag...that one time he won't job, those 10,000 willing jobs are forgotten and that one refusal to job is magnified.

Well, to that I say

NOBODY'S SURFING PERFECT!

So please, give me a break. Bret needed to refuse to do the job. A man can only be pushed so far. He chose to be a man about it and I applaud him for it. He did what he did for honor and respect and to protect his "stock" so that he could provide for his 4 young children, as well as his elderly parents. If I was him, I wouldn't give a crap what a bunch of short-sighted uninformed internet smarks thought either.

Blame Vince for giving him creative control in his last 30 days if you want to blame anyone. He shouldn't have offered it if he wasn't going to keep his promise of letting Bret have it.

Great post. Bret didn't have a history of refusing to do the job, Shawn did. Anyway, it seems like whenever Bret is discussed someone always brings up the screwjob and people say Bret can't get over it.

["Handsome" Whitey Fats]

The hitman desrves everything that has happened to him. Maybe if he'd try to be a pro for once in his career karma wouldn't have come back to bite him on the ass

[Mozenrath]

whiteyfats said:

The hitman desrves everything that has happened to him. Maybe if he'd try to be a pro for once in his career karma wouldn't have come back to bite him on the ass

Any man who would willingly agree to feud with the FREAKING PATRIOT as champ is a company man in my book.

["Handsome" Whitey Fats]

The Patriot was gold

[Mozenrath]

whiteyfats said:

The Patriot was gold

Eh. It's like if I pulled Batista aside and told him Dykstra's in the title program.

["Handsome" Whitey Fats]

Eh, it made sense at the time

[ddt]

uncleslam said:

whiteyfats said:

Not wrong?! He was leaving the company and wanted to give up the title! When you leave, you lose. That has happened in every company, but his huge ego once again prevented him from doing what was right and laying down to the much superior wrestler

This statement looks to me like it's fueled by a lack of knowledge of history. Bret Hart did more than his fare share of jobs on his way up the ranks in the WWF. He jobbed left, right and centre to everyone. At one point, only Curt Hennig had mercy on him and demanded to go to a draw with him instead of going over clean (this is when Mr. Perfect first came to the WWF). It's sad when a guy does 10,000 jobs and never says a word about it, but the one time he doesn't want to job to a guy who won't job back to him, and is the same guy who made insensitve comments about his elderly mother and father that affected them in a very bad way (read the book to really get a good idea of what Stu and Helen went through) and who also disrespected the entire country of Canada by picking his nose with the flag...that one time he won't job, those 10,000 willing jobs are forgotten and that one refusal to job is magnified.

Well, to that I say

NOBODY'S SURFING PERFECT!

So please, give me a break. Bret needed to refuse to do the job. A man can only be pushed so far. He chose to be a man about it and I applaud him for it. He did what he did for honor and respect and to protect his "stock" so that he could provide for his 4 young children, as well as his elderly parents. If I was him, I wouldn't give a crap what a bunch of short-sighted uninformed internet smarks thought either.

Blame Vince for giving him creative control in his last 30 days if you want to blame anyone. He shouldn't have offered it if he wasn't going to keep his promise of letting Bret have it.

Well said.

But, folks, why don't we get back to the topic at hand.....Bret's book. I've already posted my opinion on the book, so let's hear what others have to say about whether or not it's a good purchase.

[eDemento2099]

whiteyfats said:

The hitman desrves everything that has happened to him. Maybe if he'd try to be a pro for once in his career karma wouldn't have come back to bite him on the ass

So you think he deserved to receive a concussion, a stroke, and to have his brother die tragically in a horrific accident?

Either you are are an insensitive prick with some sort of psychotic vendetta against Hart, or you're trying to to make yourself out to be this board's biggest a-hole.

On second thought, I think you're both. You're trolling in a thread where you obviously don't belong, and you're making moronic statements like "maybe if he'd try to be a pro for once in his career" despite the vast consensus that Bret has a great record of jobbing and putting others over.

Why the hell are you even participating in this thread? If you hate Bret Hart so much, don't troll in threads which ostensibly concern Bret Hart. Instead, stick to those which suit your preferences.

[Bret Hart Rules]

Putting my username aside for a moment, I would say that whiteyfats is going for the attention seeking path here. He seems to have a lot of smart ass replies without actually backing anything he says up with anything that can be taken seriously.

And on the screwjob subject, I remember reading that Bret said he would lose the title to anyone, just not on that night to Shawn and Vince rejecting it cause he wanted a title match between them to add to the whole thing. This makes it Vince's fault in some ways cause all he had to suggest is that Bret and Shawn get into a big fight on the Raw before Survivor Series which leads to a big impromtu match up in which Shawn steals the victory and the title via cheating ways and interference. That leads to the main event with Shawn/Bret in opposite roles and the DQ finish for Bret could have been the finish before leading to him saying farewell on Raw the next night.

Anyways, back to the thread's main topic. I really want to get it but I don't see a UK release date. Anyone know when it may get here?