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Post by mainsupreme on Nov 27, 2007 9:19:56 GMT -5
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hollywood
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Post by hollywood on Nov 27, 2007 9:24:35 GMT -5
I'm inclined to agree.  |
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Post by Baixo Astral on Nov 27, 2007 9:26:51 GMT -5
Yep, certainly one of the top five I've ever seen.
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Post by comahan on Nov 27, 2007 9:36:23 GMT -5
Hollywood was AWESOME.
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Post by Celgress on Nov 27, 2007 10:22:08 GMT -5
Indeed fantastic stuff. Still I'm inclined to mark out slightly more for Trips as the greatest heel wrestler of all time.
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Post by hollywood on Nov 27, 2007 10:58:54 GMT -5
Why thank you!  Oh... You meant... Nevermind... |
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Post by El Dandy on Nov 27, 2007 12:36:52 GMT -5
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Nov 27, 2007 12:40:02 GMT -5
I personally err on the side of Jake Roberts as greatest heel, but Hollywood is certainly up there.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 27, 2007 12:41:41 GMT -5
Hollywood Hogan, Jake Roberts, Ted DiBiase, Triple H, and Ric Flair really are the top of the heel game.
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 27, 2007 12:44:54 GMT -5
I really do believe this, he worked the crowd so awesomely during his matches. I don't get why "internet critics" base in ring action only on what goes on in the ring. Hogan would egg on the crowd to the point of him being pelted with trash.
He was a bigger heel than Ric Flair imo.
Best face and heel of all time, nobody else can really lay claim to that.
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Post by El Dandy on Nov 27, 2007 12:49:29 GMT -5
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Post by hollywood on Nov 27, 2007 12:51:19 GMT -5
I really do believe this, he worked the crowd so awesomely during his matches. I don't get why "internet critics" base in ring action only on what goes on in the ring. Hogan would egg on the crowd to the point of him being pelted with trash. He was a bigger heel than Ric Flair imo. Best face and heel of all time, nobody else can really lay claim to that. I agree. I mean, I love awesome technical matches like Danielson/McGuinness or even Shawn/Bret, but I also love fun matches like the ones Hogan had. He was never going to be anything close to a technical genius, but you were usually guaranteed a good time. |
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Post by thestinger on Nov 27, 2007 13:22:05 GMT -5
In my humble opinion the two best heels ever are Hollywood Hogan, and Ted Dibiase as the Million Dollar Man.
Hollywood Hogan was SO hated, that nobody believed he would ever be cheered again. Seriously. His boos were so deafening lots of folks didn't think he could ever turn face.
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 27, 2007 13:26:08 GMT -5
Most hogan fans by then were 12-15 and seeing somebody we grew up with turn his back on us was so damn ARRRGH!
I've also got to note that none of Hogan's moveset changed. He was already using eye rakes, back rakes, chokes, boot scrapes and throat shots when he was a good guy. The only thing he changed was taking a breather by rolling to the outside and jaw jacking with fans. and adding more trash talking.
Sorta like RVD how RVD's matches were long because of his extended posing/taunting sessions in the middle of a match. Seriously RVD has to be the only guy who got cheered for stalling.
Oh and Hogan again is the best heel AND face of all time, and the
driving force of BOTH of the boom periods in wrestling.
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Post by hollywood on Nov 27, 2007 13:42:44 GMT -5
Oh and Hogan again is the best heel AND face of all time, and the driving force of BOTH of the boom periods in wrestling. Here I'm going to disagree, but only a little. Hogan was definitely the driving force behind the 80's boom period (I'm assuming that's the "first" you're talking about), but I don't think he deserve full credit for the late 90's boom. He was certainly a big part of it, but I think several people were behind that driving force along with him. |
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Post by thestinger on Nov 27, 2007 13:55:30 GMT -5
I do think he was initially the driving force. I knew guys (including my brother) who hadn't watched or thought about wrestling in five to seven years, and when they heard, "Hogan's a bad guy!" THAT is what made them tune in for the first time. I was the lone reluctant holdout, "Wrestling sucks, it's for little kids!"
Once they started watching they'd go, "Wow, this Jericho guy is awesome! Check out Booker T. " The girls loved Rey Mysterio Jr.
But Hogan was what made them actually watch the first show.
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Post by hollywood on Nov 27, 2007 14:02:07 GMT -5
I do think he was initially the driving force. I knew guys (including my brother) who hadn't watched or thought about wrestling in five to seven years, and when they heard, "Hogan's a bad guy!" THAT is what made them tune in for the first time. I was the lone reluctant holdout, "Wrestling sucks, it's for little kids!" Once they started watching they'd go, "Wow, this Jericho guy is awesome! Check out Booker T. " The girls loved Rey Mysterio Jr. But Hogan was what made them actually watch the first show. All I'm saying is, unlike in the 80's, it wasn't all Hogan. Maybe it was 90% Hogan, and then the other guys took up the remaining 10%. But in the 80's it was definitely ALL Hogan. I just don't think it was ALL Hogan in the 90's. That's my point. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 27, 2007 14:07:56 GMT -5
Oh, and add Muta to my original list.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Nov 27, 2007 14:27:57 GMT -5
The way I see it is; as much as I don't really get excited about Hogan, he is the most important face and heel of all time.
That son of a bitch.
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 27, 2007 14:34:12 GMT -5
Oh and Hogan again is the best heel AND face of all time, and the driving force of BOTH of the boom periods in wrestling. Here I'm going to disagree, but only a little. Hogan was definitely the driving force behind the 80's boom period (I'm assuming that's the "first" you're talking about), but I don't think he deserve full credit for the late 90's boom. He was certainly a big part of it, but I think several people were behind that driving force along with him. Oh i Know there were people around him I was switching between driving force and at the forefront of. Driving force just makes for a stronger arguement. STUPID ENGLISH You still cannot deny his importance as both the biggest face and heel of the two boom periods. |
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